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The Rumble of On Coming Wheels…

Kurmugeon

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I hear the oncoming rumble of long prophesized wheels of destruction!​

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." - Vladimir Lenin

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Quote/Quotation





And So, the Independent Voter questions: Umm..... What’s a bourgeoisie?




And the Libertarians/TEA Party answers: In terms of 2012 America, it means the small business man and entrepreneur.

Bourgeoisie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Oooookaaaay... Why would Vladimir Lenin want to destroy them?

I mean, isn’t the whole Communist Revolution thing about taking power and money from the Elites and giving to the poor and middle class?





No! That is NOT what Socialism / Communism is really about.

Beyond the glowing speeches at political rabble rallies, in practical and historical terms, the left has always been about displacing the current set of ELITES controlling and enjoying the wealth produced by others with a NEW set of ELITES who obtain that position not by building a corporation or entrepreneurship, but by radical, populist revolution.


And the prosperity and wealth Provided to and/or Shared with the Poor and Labor classes by the Bourgeoisie keeps conditions pleasant enough for most of society, that REVOLUTION ("Transformation" *Sic) and the subsequent change out of the ELITE isn’t possible.



Don’t believe me? Go read it from Saul Alinsky, Francis Piven, and Richard Cloward in their own words:


Rules for Radicals
Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Cloward-Piven Strategy
Cloward
Frances Fox Piven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Richard Cloward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia








Look carefully at their actions and how they have deliberately triggered these economic problems and made sure to make the most of the middle class suffering from it.


The Economic Disaster is DELIBERATE!


The Left NEEDS things to get so bad, that the people rise up in revolt. That is their only path to replacing the Current ELITES with Themselves.


The Far Lefties cannot get what they're really after while the middle class is providing a shared wealth, happiness and prosperity with the lower class, labor class, illegal immigrants and poor. They NEED those elements to suffer enough to go into open rebellion.


So the middle class of America is squarely in their way, which means they have to be destroyed.


That is EXACTLY what Lenin was saying!



This is a very old problem for the lefties, and one they know how to solve, Inflation and Taxes!


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I think I speak for the majority of people here when I say,

"What the actual ****?"
 
I think I speak for the majority of people here when I say,

"What the actual ****?"

I think the majority of people on this forum have adequate reading comprehension skills and logical cognition ability to read and understand the Original Post.

Try reading very slowly, word by word, out loud.


P.S. It might help to use an alternate voice/accent when reading the larger font questions from the italicized responses... I'm just saying..
 
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I hear the oncoming rumble of long prophesized wheels of destruction!​








And So, the Independent Vote questions: Umm..... What’s a bourgeoisie?




And the Libertarians/TEA Party answers: In terms of 2012 America, it means the small business man and entrepreneur.

Bourgeoisie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Oooookaaaay... Why would Vladimir Lenin want to destroy them?

I mean, isn’t the whole Communist Revolution thing about taking power and money from the Elites and giving to the poor and middle class?





No! That is NOT what Socialism / Communism is really about.

Beyond the glowing speeches at political rabble rallies, in practical and historical terms, the left has always been about displacing the current set of ELITES controlling and enjoying the wealth produced by others with a NEW set of ELITES who obtain that position not by building a corporation or entrepreneurship, but by radical, populist revolution.


And the prosperity and wealth Provided to and/or Shared with the Poor and Labor classes by the Bourgeoisie keeps conditions pleasant enough for most of society, that REVOLUTION ("Transformation" *Sic) and the subsequent change out of the ELITE isn’t possible.



Don’t believe me? Go read it from Saul Alinsky, Francis Piven, and Richard Cloward in their own words:


Rules for Radicals
Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Cloward-Piven Strategy
Cloward
Frances Fox Piven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Richard Cloward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia








Look carefully at their actions and how they have deliberately triggered these economic problems and made sure to make the most of the middle class suffering from it.


The Economic Disaster is DELIBERATE!


The Left NEEDS things to get so bad, that the people rise up in revolt. That is their only path to replacing the Current ELITES with Themselves.


The Far Lefties cannot get what they're really after while the middle class is providing a shared wealth, happiness and prosperity with the lower class, labor class, illegal immigrants and poor. They NEED those elements to suffer enough to go into open rebellion.


So the middle class of America is squarely in their way, which means they have to be destroyed.


That is EXACTLY what Lenin was saying!



This is a very old problem for the lefties, and one they know how to solve, Inflation and Taxes!


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Sounds like the opening rant to a Glen Beck program.

I don't entirely disagree with it, though. It's just that the theory isn't matching up with real world conditions. The current "elite" aren't being squeezed anywhere. In fact, they're prospering.
 
I think I speak for the majority of people here when I say,

"What the actual ****?"

LOL anytime the word "bourgeoisie" appears in a post anywhere on the internet, run while you can.....
 
It's really easy to win arguments when you decide for yourself what the other side thinks.
 
Sounds like the opening rant to a Glen Beck program.

I don't entirely disagree with it, though. It's just that the theory isn't matching up with real world conditions. The current "elite" aren't being squeezed anywhere. In fact, they're prospering.


First, the Bourgeoisie and the Elite are two separate groups separated by several orders of magnitude of yearly income and more of personal wealth. If you spend your days reading / writing on this forum, you've never met an Elite.


The Current Elite are not yet facing a "Revolution". The level of social disruption is near enough yet to allow the likes of Andy Van Jones to replace John Kerry.


If the Radical Lefties have their way, the "Transformation" that is coming will make what is seen over the last four years seem like a walk in the park. Read some of the histories of Russia, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and/or Venezuela.


What President Obama and his Socialist Cronies is trying to achieve isn't really targeted at most Americans. If you are Low-Mid Income, you are just a tool to achieve power. If you are Mid-Upper Income, you are in their way. Both will be made to suffer to achieve the exchange of Elites, but it is not that they hate you, you're just pawns.


Read the collected writings of Vladimir Lenin, he was the master political strategist of the Soviet Revolution. In the above quote, he makes a rare gaff and states his real contempt for the common Russian worker and citizen, and shows how calculating and viscously self-serving the entire movement was beneath the "Worker's Advocate" facade.


The Key element to get from this Thread: "It is not about you, but you'll be made to suffer greatly, so you can be used as a tool to achieve their ends..."
(and then discarded.)


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Conspiracy forum fodder. :roll:
 
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The Left NEEDS things to get so bad, that the people rise up in revolt. That is their only path to replacing the Current ELITES with Themselves.


The Far Lefties cannot get what they're really after while the middle class is providing a shared wealth, happiness and prosperity with the lower class, labor class, illegal immigrants and poor. They NEED those elements to suffer enough to go into open rebellion.


So the middle class of America is squarely in their way, which means they have to be destroyed.


That is EXACTLY what Lenin was saying!



This is a very old problem for the lefties, and one they know how to solve, Inflation and Taxes!

You know, at the beginning it sounds like Glenn Beck, but near the end you really start reminding me of Rachel Maddow.

Rachel always tries to interpret what "whatever big conservative person said this week..." and give you what she says they're actually thinking "They're trying to EAT YOUR BABIES OMG RUN!"

Please...rationality is a good thing, and public discourse is needed, but interpreting "what the other side thinks" really doesn't mean much except trying to inflate your own base. Both sides do it, so why feed into it? Let's be better than that imo.
 
Conspiracy forum fodder. :roll:


Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground is a Current White House Advisor.

Bill Ayers presidential election controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dreams from My Father
In 2008 and 2009 some conservative commentators advanced claims that Obama's autobiography, Dreams from My Father was written or ghost-written by Ayers. In a series of articles in American Thinker and WorldNetDaily, author Jack Cashill claimed that his own analysis of the book showed Ayers' writing style. In late October, US Congressman Chris Cannon and his brother-in-law attempted to hire an Oxford University professor, Peter Millican, to prove Ayers' authorship using computer analysis. Millican refused after they would not assure him in advance that his results would be published regardless of the outcome.[45][46][47][48] Millican later criticized the claim, saying variously that he had "found no evidence for Cashill's ghostwriting hypothesis," that it was "unlikely"[49] and that he felt "totally confident that it is false."[47] In his 2009 unauthorized biography Barack and Michelle, author Christopher Andersen repeated Cashill's claim.[50] When asked about the claims in 2009 Ayers admitted, as an apparent joke, that he wrote the book at Michelle Obama's request, setting off renewed coverage of the claims on conservative blogs.





Francis Piven has been a guest of the Obama White House several times.

Movements Need Politicians

Frances Fox Piven Says Re-Elect Obama Because He’ll Listen to Occupy Wall Street | Video | TheBlaze.com

‘This Spring, We‘ll See Action’ Frances Fox Piven Issues Dark Prediction on Occupy Wall Street | TheBlaze.com

Frances Fox Piven Rings in The New Year By Calling for Violent Revolution | TheBlaze.com





The Rumble of Oncoming Wheels is an unfortunate political REALITY of the 2012 Election.

Wikipedia Deletes President Obama

Second to None: Sequestration Puts 2.14 Million Total Jobs at Risk

The Economist explains: Quantitative easing | The Economist

Volcker Says Quantitative Easing May Create Inflation in Future - Bloomberg


Obviously, the American Left has a vested interest in keeping most Americans for realizing these connections, yet they are central to the real battle of the 2012 Presidential Election.


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Really? Man conservatives have nothing to do. Next they'll try to convince everyone that they can cure gay people. oh wait they're trying to.
 
Really? Man conservatives have nothing to do. Next they'll try to convince everyone that they can cure gay people. oh wait they're trying to.

who is Keith Jennings...
 
Really? Man conservatives have nothing to do. Next they'll try to convince everyone that they can cure gay people. oh wait they're trying to.

No they don't. They are completely out of ammo so they are packing their muzzleloaders with fodder from 2008. Now they are breaking out the Rev. Wright stuff and this guy is preaching the Bill Ayers drum. Tired material that was completely defeated in 2008 and somehow they think it will stick this time. Talk about not being able to learn from your mistakes.
 
What?...


Could you explain this comment? Sorry, you lost me?

He was the disgusting school czar of Obamas.... look into this scumbag.. He was gone after 2 years but the poison was done
 
He was the disgusting school czar of Obamas.... look into this scumbag.. He was gone after 2 years but the poison was done

I beleive you meant Kevin Jennings:

Fire Andrea Mitchell! » Safe Schools Czar Kevin Jennings, who hid pedophila and was inspired by NAMBLA


Safe Schools Czar Kevin Jennings, who hid pedophila and was inspired by NAMBLA’s Harry Hay criticizes schools for promoting heterosexuality

So far this is what we’ve learned about Obama’s safe schools czar Kevin Jennings

He hid a case of pedophilia of a 15 year old boy who came to him and told him about a sexual relation with a gay man, while instead of reporting this to authorities, Jennings basically just told the kid to make sure to “use a condom”. Kevin Jennings is also on record as saying that Harry Hay who was deeply involved with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Now comes this new audio clip from Kevin Jennings speech at a GLSEN event in Iowa in 2000 complaining that:

“Kids are being aggressively recruited to become heterosexual in this country.”

Is this who you mean?
 
Really? Man conservatives have nothing to do. Next they'll try to convince everyone that they can cure gay people. oh wait they're trying to.


I am NOT a Conservative. I am a Registered Democrat who was once proud to call himself a "Liberal" back when "Liberal" meant Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, John Kennedy.


But Liberalism and the Democratic Party has left me with its collectivist extremism and anti-white racism.


If you take the time to actually READ what I've written, you'll find I'm not the person your glib labels and summary snap judgements have assumed.






In order to show how it has changed, consider a few of the Neo-Liberalism definitions of words and phrases we commonly see in American Politics:


"Racial Equality" - the process of using arbitrary and subjective means to categorize everyone by Race, Document the assigned Race, then proceed to treat every differentially based on that classification.


"Diversity" - The process of evaluating a group or population where you can have too many Whites and/or Men, but you cannot have too few. The process of evaluating a group where you can have too few Blacks and/or Women, but you cannot have too many.


"Equal Opportunity" - the process of giving huge advantages to one Racial or Ethnic group over another.


"Racist" - anyone who dares to disagree with a Liberal, or a Liberal Policy, or say/do anything which exposes the bias and lies of Neo-Liberalism.


"Racism" - The Cause anytime a Liberal can't perform to the standard everyone else is achieving.


"Justice" - Applying the courts to achieve bias, preference and differential treatment for a select group of Americans, at the expense of all others.


“Free-Speech” – Allow the most heinous of comments from Liberals to go unchallenged, while using intimidation, legal accusation, and Black-Mail Tactics to squelch the free expression of ideas that are in opposition to “Liberal” ideology.


“Green-Energy” – The process of taking a highly refined, and by historical comparison, very low pollution energy sources, such as modern coal-electric, off-line, and replacing them with much less efficient, less developed energy sources which produce far more pollution, particularly in metal-acid battery waste, than the original system, all in the name of "Saving the Planet", but in reality is a poorly disguised Corporate cronies pandering and kick-back scheme.





I am sure there are at many other such terms, these are the Liberal “Twisted Terms” that pop into my head with very little research.


I am sure anyone reading this could add two or three to the list? Please do!







Today I'd call myself a Libertarian with TEA Party leanings.


I am socially Liberal, but not an extremist about it. I am fiscally conservative, but again, not an extremist about it.

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I believe Government does has a place in providing a hand up to talented, struggling, but misfortune hampered people in our society, but selecting to grant that assistance based on something as irrelevant and disconnected as "Paint-Job" or skin tone is an example of true "Racism".


I also believe that the scope of that assistance cannot lead to more than 17% of GDP in total Local, State, and Federal Taxation. In that loading of Taxation, you also need to provide for public works such as Libraries, Roads and Bridges, Sewage and Water Treatment, and National Defense.


What we are doing now is NOT sustainable.


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I believe that Abortion IS in fact infanticide, but it also sometimes (extremely rarely) justified. It should not be used in place of birth control, cautious selective restraint or abstinence. Killing an infant in the womb is simply too easy to enforce any laws forbidding it, and rarely, there are regrettable circumstances where it makes “less of two evils” sense.


IMHO, if you are Anti-Abortion, Don’t have One! If you are a Male, don’t plant your seed where it is likely to get weeded.


I would simply put the terrible onus of the abortion decision on the private conscience of the woman bearing the infant.


Evolutionary Maternal Instincts and Gene Pool Selection will be Judge, Jury, and Sentence on those who use abortion too casually.


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I believe in peace through strength. I believe in maintaining a strong U.S. Military, and that Military Research and Development has done more to advance civilian technology, medicine, and efficient organization & management than all civilian R&D efforts to the same goals combined.


But I also think at this point in the development of the Middle East Crisis, despite all of the just cause and potential progress there was in our entering the fracas, it is now well past time to pull out.


What good we could have accomplished has now been permanently compromised by President Obama’s apologies, policies, alliance the wrong factions, and hampering changes in the Rules of Engagement.


At this point, we are expending Blood and Treasure to America’s detriment.


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As shown by my positions of the above “litmus test Political issues”, I am a Pragmatic Libertarian.


If you take the time to actually READ what my Ideas, Opinions and Policies are, you will find that are NOT extreme, but pragmatic.


Rather the knee-jerk reaction to Scream "Racist" at anyone who advocates “Basic Equality for White Americans” is the true Extremism occurring on this Forum and in America at large.


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The group most affected by the Obama administration policy of Quantitative Easing will be the Seniors:


Pensioners hit hardest by quantitative easing - Economic Impact - Mindful Money

Pensioners hit hardest by quantitative easing

19 April 2012

For at least a couple of years, many pensioners have been complaining that they have bearing the brunt of the Bank of England's policy of quantitative easing.

Now they have the agreement of an influential committee of MPs as reported here in the the Guardian. What's more, the MPs of the Treasury Select Committee suggest that the Government should look at ways of mitigating the effect.

To date, pensioner and pension representatives' complaints have tended to run along these lines. First, they say QE is stoking inflation. Second QE comes with subdued interest rates which mean that interest on savings accounts remains low, penalising those relying on this income for example pensioners. It also depresses annuity rates which are based partly on gilt rates which rely on interest rates, so those who found themselves having to translate their investments into an annuity income on their retirement have also suffered. Their savings have bought them a smaller income and that annuity decision is usually a permanent one i.e. it fixes your pension for life unless you go back to work part time.

Finally better off pensioners in income drawdown, who leave their savings invested but draw an income from them, are also thought to be suffering as the amounts they are allowed to withdraw have decreased because this is also based on gilts.


Quantitative Easing is just one of the many tools the Left uses to achieve their twin Grinding Wheels.


How the Left can claim with a straight face that they are the champions of the senior citizens is beyond me.
 
I didn't know the fed was somehow the Obama administration now....
 
It is impossible to hold a rational discussion with any person who creates their own definitions of commonly understood words and phrases AND absolutely refuses to acknowledge any possible alternatives.
 
It is impossible to hold a rational discussion with any person who creates their own definitions of commonly understood words and phrases AND absolutely refuses to acknowledge any possible alternatives.



I am not trying to convince Socialists, they are corrupt beyond any possible redemption.


I am trying to reach the Independent Middle Voters who are suffering under the political / economic manipulations of the Obama Adminstration and their far Leftie supporters.
 
First, the Bourgeoisie and the Elite are two separate groups separated by several orders of magnitude of yearly income and more of personal wealth. If you spend your days reading / writing on this forum, you've never met an Elite.


The Current Elite are not yet facing a "Revolution". The level of social disruption is near enough yet to allow the likes of Andy Van Jones to replace John Kerry.


If the Radical Lefties have their way, the "Transformation" that is coming will make what is seen over the last four years seem like a walk in the park. Read some of the histories of Russia, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and/or Venezuela.


What President Obama and his Socialist Cronies is trying to achieve isn't really targeted at most Americans. If you are Low-Mid Income, you are just a tool to achieve power. If you are Mid-Upper Income, you are in their way. Both will be made to suffer to achieve the exchange of Elites, but it is not that they hate you, you're just pawns.


Read the collected writings of Vladimir Lenin, he was the master political strategist of the Soviet Revolution. In the above quote, he makes a rare gaff and states his real contempt for the common Russian worker and citizen, and shows how calculating and viscously self-serving the entire movement was beneath the "Worker's Advocate" facade.


The Key element to get from this Thread: "It is not about you, but you'll be made to suffer greatly, so you can be used as a tool to achieve their ends..."
(and then discarded.)


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The problem with your theory is, Obama isn't a socialist. He is moderate. He attempted to compromise with the GOP to the point of making the far left angry at him. Nothing in Obama's record shows him to be a socialist or a communist.
 
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