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Three reasons to vote for Romney

1. He's a pragmatist.

2. He's demonstrated success at managing large entities. Surrounds himself with people that are good at the positions he assigns them to.

3. Not oppressively socially conservative. While may be in his personal life, doesn't govern that way.
 
specklebang said:
I'm trying to accomplish something here. I'm somewhat (not entirely) disappointed with Obama. But I don't want to talk about Obama, I already see a campaign based on negative slamming of the "other guy".

So, here is my challenge. I want three reasons to vote for Romney that have nothing to do with Obama. Three SPECIFIC proposals made by Romney (links please) and YOUR opinion of EXACTLY how this will be best for all Americans. We don't have to agree with your extrapolation but it needs to be rational.

I'll give you an example (minus the link). Romney is more likely to attack Iran to prevent them getting nuclear weapons. As a consequence, we might have a safer world with these Loony Mullahs restricted to conventional weapons. The benefit is also more jobs producing weapons, more jobs replacing our casualties and more jobs caring for the injured.

No BOMFOG. No generic "better for America". No mention of Obama. Specific results. Please address plausibility. The GOP is the party of NO. The Dems are less cohesive and thus the party of MAYBE. The subjects can be either social or financial.

I am headed off for a minor surgery and I'll be back around 3 PM PST today. I will respond respectfully and in detail to any post that follows the outlines set above. I think this is reasonable and non-partisan. If I get the results I'm hoping for, you could earn Mr. Romney a vote or maybe more since I discuss these things with my politically active friends. Please try to NOT argue with each other. Pretend I'm your audience, undecided and willing to listen to respectful responses. I am.

((can this be done here or is DP just a place to trade insults? Inquiring minds etc.))
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:lamo wow if this wasn't a reach.
 
Exactly the opposite of what I asked for. Did you even read my post or was it just too long and boring?

Bronson said:
You only need one reason

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1. Repeal the unAffordable Health Care Act
2. Saved the Olympics in Salt Lake
3. Balanced MA budget

1&3 are things we need for this country to move forward and 2 shows proven leadership in difficult times. You could say 2 & 3 both show proven leadership in difficult situations. I'm not a huge fan of his, but he is by far the better option. Even if he is just the other side of the same coin.
 
Please explain. With as many Romney supporters as there are on this board, I expected, well, more thoughtful responses.


Vallista said:
:lamo wow if this wasn't a reach.
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specklebang said:
You are one of the most flagrantly partisan people on this board and I'm utterly fascinated that you've made the best case for Romney so far (despite your disclaimer).

Of course, my original request was for things that have been "promised" with actual detail. I'm still hoping.

Maybe one of the things I like about Romney is that historically he's pretty Centrist. The Logical Party is closest to the Centrist Party.

As for the items you enumerated:
Gun Control - Obama has wisely left this alone and I think Romney will do the same. It is and should ge a non-issue.

Health Care - This is now already law and it needs quite a lot of adjustment to make it work. Romney actually has more experience at this than Obama.

Green Energy - I haven't seen anything to make me think Romney won't pursue this. Maybe with a different strategy and maybe with different beneficiaries.


I live and learn.
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Well, again, if you support those things that Romney did as Governor then you should not vote for him for president, because he has flip flopped on each and every one. As far as Obamacare goes, Romney has vowed that he will repeal it on his first day. Impossible, of course, but he is clearly hostile to it. In terms of renewable energy and global warming, he has also completely reveresed himself.

Mitt Romney: I Will Repeal Obamacare

Romney's Energy Plan Doubles Down On Fossil Fuels : NPR
 
1. Repeal the unAffordable Health Care Act - you believe that/ May I point out this is ALREADY a law that was upheld by SCOTUS - whether you like it or not. So this is a promise that can't be kept.

2. Saved the Olympics in Salt Lake - Yes, he's a good manager. However, please read the OP and you'll see this isn't what I asked.

3. Balanced MA budget - Yes, good history but again, please respond to the OP instead of reiterating things we already know.



ksu_aviator said:
1. Repeal the unAffordable Health Care Act
2. Saved the Olympics in Salt Lake
3. Balanced MA budget

1&3 are things we need for this country to move forward and 2 shows proven leadership in difficult times. You could say 2 & 3 both show proven leadership in difficult situations. I'm not a huge fan of his, but he is by far the better option. Even if he is just the other side of the same coin.
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Yes, well, whatever. I though it was amusing that you made the best case FOR Romney so far but now you want to disclaim this, effectively arguing with yourself, and I'm OK with that.

I must say that so far I'm pretty discouraged at the minimal response to my OP. I thought I asked a pretty specific question in a neutral, non-partisan manner. Instead, it does seem to be the same old drive-by partisan hackery that constitutes political discussion these days.

So far, all I have seen is that my earlier decision to vote 3rd party was correct. Neither of these guys has anything to offer but more failed policy, left or right. I guess ty will lead us with their secret plans.



AdamT said:
Well, again, if you support those things that Romney did as Governor then you should not vote for him for president, because he has flip flopped on each and every one. As far as Obamacare goes, Romney has vowed that he will repeal it on his first day. Impossible, of course, but he is clearly hostile to it. In terms of renewable energy and global warming, he has also completely reveresed himself.

Mitt Romney: I Will Repeal Obamacare

Romney's Energy Plan Doubles Down On Fossil Fuels : NPR
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specklebang said:
Yes, well, whatever. I though it was amusing that you made the best case FOR Romney so far but now you want to disclaim this, effectively arguing with yourself, and I'm OK with that.

I must say that so far I'm pretty discouraged at the minimal response to my OP. I thought I asked a pretty specific question in a neutral, non-partisan manner. Instead, it does seem to be the same old drive-by partisan hackery that constitutes political discussion these days.

So far, all I have seen is that my earlier decision to vote 3rd party was correct. Neither of these guys has anything to offer but more failed policy, left or right. I guess ty will lead us with their secret plans.
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I didn't make a case for Romney; I made a case for the Romney from 2004 who is a completely different person.

I'm thinking that your undecided act is an act. ;)
 
specklebang said:
I'm trying to accomplish something here. I'm somewhat (not entirely) disappointed with Obama. But I don't want to talk about Obama, I already see a campaign based on negative slamming of the "other guy".

So, here is my challenge. I want three reasons to vote for Romney that have nothing to do with Obama. Three SPECIFIC proposals made by Romney (links please) and YOUR opinion of EXACTLY how this will be best for all Americans. We don't have to agree with your extrapolation but it needs to be rational.

I'll give you an example (minus the link). Romney is more likely to attack Iran to prevent them getting nuclear weapons. As a consequence, we might have a safer world with these Loony Mullahs restricted to conventional weapons. The benefit is also more jobs producing weapons, more jobs replacing our casualties and more jobs caring for the injured.

No BOMFOG. No generic "better for America". No mention of Obama. Specific results. Please address plausibility. The GOP is the party of NO. The Dems are less cohesive and thus the party of MAYBE. The subjects can be either social or financial.

I am headed off for a minor surgery and I'll be back around 3 PM PST today. I will respond respectfully and in detail to any post that follows the outlines set above. I think this is reasonable and non-partisan. If I get the results I'm hoping for, you could earn Mr. Romney a vote or maybe more since I discuss these things with my politically active friends. Please try to NOT argue with each other. Pretend I'm your audience, undecided and willing to listen to respectful responses. I am.

((can this be done here or is DP just a place to trade insults? Inquiring minds etc.))
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1) he has successfully run major operations such as the Olympics

2) he understands that demonizing wealth is not conducive to the growth of this nation

3) his desire to simplify an malignant tax code is conducive to more growth and less money wasted complying with that abomination
 
AdamT said:
I didn't make a case for Romney; I made a case for the Romney from 2004 who is a completely different person.

I'm thinking that your undecided act is an act. ;)
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Actually you just furthered the case for why people just ignore what you say as biased and irrelevant... and added to the clutter on DP rather than contributing anything positive...
 
Only three I can think of.

1: Tired of seeing Obama's face.
2: Romney has nicer hair.
3: Romney has far more potential to say something hilarious.

In the end, both of them are garbage.
 
When you make a request such as this, requiring specifics and citations, it takes time to research, and one should not expect immediate results. The first few responses included a couple lightly researched but well thought out posts, but the partisan bickering which was bound to occur on such a site... Hang in there with this post, and I'm willing to bet a couple more people will take legitimate responses...

I know I am working on one... and there are some weekend only posters who tend to be more rational in nature... be patient with this...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Actually you just furthered the case for why people just ignore what you say as biased and irrelevant... and added to the clutter on DP rather than contributing anything positive...
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Please. I think everyone is well aware of the fact that you are the president of the Mitt Romney booster club. If you have a point, why don't you try refuting the flip flops I identified.
 
Just today, I saw the first actual proposal. The $17K deduction basket. I'm pondering that right now.

Then I read that Romney will support the Obama plan regarding immigration. That really surprised me. But I'm happy to see specifics.

It's hard to make a case on past events like the Olympics. You could just as easily argue that Obama has 4 years of experience of being President. So, Romney's past accomplishments are worth noting but not what I'm looking for here.

As for the usual partisan bickering, please find another thread. There are plenty of them. Some of us are trying to have an enlightening conversation.
 
specklebang said:
As for the usual partisan bickering, please find another thread. There are plenty of them. Some of us are trying to have an enlightening conversation.
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Sure you are. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Please. I think everyone is well aware of the fact that you are the president of the Mitt Romney booster club. If you have a point, why don't you try refuting the flip flops I identified.
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You could trade notes with him since your posts appear to be the product of Obama 2012 Campaign central
 
Successful business career in the private sector.

As governor, Romney presided over a series of spending cuts and increases in fees that eliminated an up to 1 and a half billion dollar deficit.

In May 2005, Romney presented a proposal to the Massachusetts General Court to crack down on repeat drunk drivers.

Maybe not his biggest accomplishments, but notable nevertheless.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Successful business career in the private sector.

As governor, Romney presided over a series of spending cuts and increases in fees that eliminated an up to 1 and a half billion dollar deficit.

In May 2005, Romney presented a proposal to the Massachusetts General Court to crack down on repeat drunk drivers.

Maybe not his biggest accomplishments, but notable nevertheless.
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Let's point out one more time that every MA governor balances the budget, as required by MA law.

Now, if you're a conservative you might want to ask HOW he balanced the budget. Did he cut spending and not raise taxes? Nope. In fact spending growth was much higher under Romney than it's been under Obama. Mostly what Mitt did was jack up fees to an insane degree -- more than any governor in the country.
 
I started a similar thread for President Obama if anyone's interested. Great thread idea specklebang.
 
specklebang said:
So, here is my challenge. I want three reasons to vote for Romney that have nothing to do with Obama. Three SPECIFIC proposals made by Romney (links please) and YOUR opinion of EXACTLY how this will be best for all Americans. We don't have to agree with your extrapolation but it needs to be rational.
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Okay, you sure you only want three? Strictly policy related reasons, and then if you want to continue the debate, I'm interested..

1. The Next President of the United States, Mitt Romney, has a great tax plan. You can read it, direct from the campaign, here: Tax | Mitt Romney for President

what do I like most? it lowers my rate and pays for it by closing loop holes. Totally conservative, and great for the economy because it gets money moving.

2. He's going to promote a smaller, simpler Government. And will significantly cut Government programs Spending | Mitt Romney for President , while defending our Liberties Gun Rights | Mitt Romney for President , and making it easier to do business Regulation | Mitt Romney for President

3. A President Romney wouldn't apologize for a YouTube video when confronted with terrorism against our embassy. A President Romney wouldn't have American diplomats get killed on 9/11 and have a policy of DO NOTHING but Apologize. No Link Necessary.
 
Regarding the 5,000 deduction for housing. Romney could just sell his mansions and buy a bunch of condos, driving up the cost of living for the poor =P.
 
AdamT said:
Please. I think everyone is well aware of the fact that you are the president of the Mitt Romney booster club. If you have a point, why don't you try refuting the flip flops I identified.
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Now, I can excuse you, if you skipped the OP, and went right to reading the last comment and picked up midway through the thread... but to enlighten you, the user of the original post asked for 3 reasons to vote FOR Romney, and not ones that were negatives against Obama, or just to enforce party rhetoric. That user is an independent tired of partisan back and forth. So why you'd come into the thread and try to come with the same partisan back and forth is beyond me.

On any separate thread I'm more than happy to continue refuting all your bogus claims against Romney, and your flawed reasoning for supporting Obama... as I continually do... However, this isn't the place for that... the thread topic is positive in nature, and meant to be on substantive issues... I will be sticking to that, and respond to the original post when I've finished finding the sources to back up my information... So, either pick your game up, keep it on topic, or expect all off-topic responses made to flame or troll that follow this one to be reported as such... as you've been asked multiple times so far to do so...
 
For some reason your post has no like button. So, thanks, pretty decent response with item 1, item 3 not so much. As for 2, I would sure hope so although historically "smaller government" turn out to be pure BOMFOG.

Anyway, good job on your first post here!





David Watson said:
Okay, you sure you only want three? Strictly policy related reasons, and then if you want to continue the debate, I'm interested..

1. The Next President of the United States, Mitt Romney, has a great tax plan. You can read it, direct from the campaign, here: Tax | Mitt Romney for President

what do I like most? it lowers my rate and pays for it by closing loop holes. Totally conservative, and great for the economy because it gets money moving.

2. He's going to promote a smaller, simpler Government. And will significantly cut Government programs Spending | Mitt Romney for President , while defending our Liberties Gun Rights | Mitt Romney for President , and making it easier to do business Regulation | Mitt Romney for President

3. A President Romney wouldn't apologize for a YouTube video when confronted with terrorism against our embassy. A President Romney wouldn't have American diplomats get killed on 9/11 and have a policy of DO NOTHING but Apologize. No Link Necessary.
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