What is Obama's Plan to improve your life

lonewolf · Oct 1, 2012

Does anyone have any information or did Obama explain how he plans on building from the middle class out?

Dooble · Oct 1, 2012

lonewolf said:
Does anyone have any information or did Obama explain how he plans on building from the middle class out?

I've tuned the guy out ever since his little chat with Joe the plumber. All it takes is a word like "Redistribution" to make me go glossy eyed.

H. Lee White · Oct 1, 2012

1: Raise taxes on the rich
2: Tosss you a few bread crumbs.

lonewolf · Oct 1, 2012

lol, that's about it.

I've researched trying to understand Obama's plan to grow the economy from the middle class out but can't find anything that explains the plan. What it does look like is as us usual the middle class get screwed again. No one seems to be able to explain it.

Raise taxes on the rich, more people on welfare, spend money that our kids will have to pay for, more solyndras and throw out a few breadcrumbs. I'll bet it would stick in people's crawl that the rich are getting richer during this administration because of all the printing but because there is less demand the rich can not hire because the middle class are getting hurt.

They are getting richer by owning assets. With all the printing it is devaluing the value of money which hurt the middle class and the poor because the prices of everything is going up. One way the rich can borrow money at cheap interest rates and buy assets but the middle class can't take advantage of the low interest rates because they either lost jobs or their balance sheets are in bad shape. As I said, Obama is really screwing the middle class again.

Jonsa · Oct 1, 2012

lonewolf said:
lol, that's about it.

I've researched trying to understand Obama's plan to grow the economy from the middle class out but can't find anything that explains the plan. What it does look like is as us usual the middle class get screwed again. No one seems to be able to explain it.

then allow me.

1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers.
2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts.
3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US.
4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important)
5. Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens.
6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools,
7. Sign more trade agreements
8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring.
9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.
10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides)
11. End currency wars.
12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans)
13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions
14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives

That is a quick list. there's lots more that both sides agree needs to be done, but differ on how, like tax code reform, entitlement reform, programs rationalizaton.

Raise taxes on the rich, more people on welfare, spend money that our kids will have to pay for, more solyndras and throw out a few breadcrumbs. I'll bet it would stick in people's crawl that the rich are getting richer during this administration because of all the printing but because there is less demand the rich can not hire because the middle class are getting hurt.

They are getting richer by owning assets. With all the printing it is devaluing the value of money which hurt the middle class and the poor because the prices of everything is going up. One way the rich can borrow money at cheap interest rates and buy assets but the middle class can't take advantage of the low interest rates because they either lost jobs or their balance sheets are in bad shape. As I said, Obama is really screwing the middle class again.

The "devaluing" of the american dollar is transient., It does go up and down like a toilet seat. However, since the Fed seems to have absolutely NO trouble in selling billions more dollars, the financial world doesn't seem quite as concerned as you about it, and inflation isn't an issue at this point.

No doubt you are familiar with the simple strategy of "buy low, sell high". Its a fundamental part of capitalism. Are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for this particular strategy?

Jack Fabulous · Oct 1, 2012

Obama's plan is contained within the budget that he submitted... you know, the one that kept deficits at a trillion plus for the next 5 years and didn't receive a single vote.

Why this isn't a bigger issue in this campaign, I have no idea.

tessaesque · Oct 1, 2012

I've decided: I don't want politicians to try to "improve my life". I want them to leave me the hell alone so I can improve it myself. Every policy that was passed and geared towards the "Middle Class" ended up screwing us over the last three years (and by "us" I mean my household, not the entire MC). Maybe if they stopped trying to "help" so much we'd actually have a chance at improving things.

tererun · Oct 1, 2012

lonewolf said:
Does anyone have any information or did Obama explain how he plans on building from the middle class out?

Obama does not have a plan to improve your life directly. There is no hand out. You will actually have to get up off your butt and improve your personal life on your own. Now as how he plans on improving america there are many ways. Despite the claims of Romtards there is no free ride for Obama supporters.

HAND and HTH

Kurmugeon · Oct 1, 2012

Jonsa said:
then allow me.

1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers.
2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts.

...

Blah, blah, blaaaaaah, blah, bla, blh...

Even IF President Obama were to do more than just Campaign Promise and Forget all of that, like the "Shovel Ready Jobs" Promises...

Even If, It would would not matter to myself or 64% of the other Americans whom the Obama Adminstration were informed by Robert Riche "We don't want these Stimulus package jobs to go to White Men" or their families.

I doubt this line of BS is any more real than the "Shoven Ready Jobs", but it wouldn't matter to my family, as White Americans, We don't "Qualify".

Time for Obama to go.

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specklebang · Oct 1, 2012

1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers. - How exactly?
2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts. - Why this wasn't done 4 years ago or 40 years ago I don't understand.
3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US. - Why isn't this already being done?
4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important) - agreed
5. Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens. - No. Improve education. There's no reason people can't pay for their own.
6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools, - Yada, yada. Same old song.
7. Sign more trade agreements - Look at the damage so far and tell me that more damage is good.
8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring. - Yes. But how?
9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.
10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides) - BAD idea. Already tried that. It needs to stabilize and not constantly be interfered with.
11. End currency wars.- Meaning?
12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans) - already done.
13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions - Agreed
14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives - Why not 4 years ago?

Just more BOMFOG is what I'm seeing.

Jonsa said:
then allow me.

1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers.
2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts.
3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US.
4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important)
5. Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens.
6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools,
7. Sign more trade agreements
8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring.
9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.
10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides)
11. End currency wars.
12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans)
13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions
14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives

That is a quick list. there's lots more that both sides agree needs to be done, but differ on how, like tax code reform, entitlement reform, programs rationalizaton.

The "devaluing" of the american dollar is transient., It does go up and down like a toilet seat. However, since the Fed seems to have absolutely NO trouble in selling billions more dollars, the financial world doesn't seem quite as concerned as you about it, and inflation isn't an issue at this point.

No doubt you are familiar with the simple strategy of "buy low, sell high". Its a fundamental part of capitalism. Are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for this particular strategy?

tessaesque · Oct 1, 2012

RE: Increased trade tariffs

Don't see how it would make sense to create an indirect increase in the cost of consumer goods when consumers aren't spending at healthy growth levels in the first place. American manufacturing can't compete with foreign manufacturing by a significant amount. Increasing tariffs to reintroduce American manufacturing would only hurt most Americans in the long term, and bolster a slight few who are able to acquire manufacturing positions. I see it being a net negative over all.

AdamT · Oct 1, 2012

Hmm, I answered lonewolf's question in another thread, but he ran away from it and started yet another thread.... Anyway, here it is:

AdamT said:
I suggest you give this a read: The American Jobs Act — President Barack Obama's Jobs Plan

Unlike Romney's plan, independent economists have concluded that Obama's plan would work:

Obama Jobs Plan Prevents 2012 Recession in Survey of Economists - Bloomberg

Macroadvisers: American Jobs Act: A Significant Boost to GDP and Employment

An Analysis of the Obama Jobs Plan

And of course Obama would eliminate the top Bush tax cuts. He has also proposed that we lower the top corporate marginal tax rate, keeping it revenue neutral by eliminating some deductions.

MaggieD · Oct 1, 2012

tererun said:
Obama does not have a plan to improve your life directly. There is no hand out. You will actually have to get up off your butt and improve your personal life on your own. Now as how he plans on improving america there are many ways. Despite the claims of Romtards there is no free ride for Obama supporters.

HAND and HTH

Most of you don't even know what he proposes. What happened to, you know, actually having the facts?

Refundable Credits

• Create refundable "Making Work Pay Credit" of 6.2 percent of the first $8,100 of earnings,
yielding a maximum credit of $500 per worker
• Create refundable "Universal Mortgage Credit" for nonitemizers equal to 10 percent of the
first $8,000 of mortgage interest, yielding a maximum credit of $800
• Make Hope Credit refundable and equal to up to $4,000 of college tuition and fees (for the
first two years of college); rename it the "American Opportunity Tax Credit"
• Make Saver's Credit refundable and change to a 50 percent match of the first $1,000 of
contributions to retirement savings accounts
• Make Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit refundable and raise maximum credit rate to 50
percent; phase credit rate down faster starting at $15,000 income
• Extend Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) phase-in range and increase phaseout threshold
for childless workers; raise EITC phase-in rate to 45 percent for families with three or more
children; raise extension of EITC phase-out threshold to $5,000 for married filers

2001/2003 Tax Cuts

• Make permanent the 10, 15, 25, and 28 percent rates; child credit expansions; and changes
affecting tax implications of marriage
• Restore 36 and 39.6 percent statutory income tax rates in 2009
• Restore phaseouts of personal exemptions and itemized deductions (PEP and Pease) for
taxpayers making more than $200,000 ($250,000 for married couples); increase thresholds

Other Individual Tax Cuts

• Eliminate income tax for seniors with annual income less than $50,000
• Temporarily eliminate income tax on unemployment insurance

Business Tax Cuts

• Make permanent tax credits for Research and Development (R&D) and for renewable energy
production (wind, solar)
• Provide a refundable $3,000 credit per added employee for firms that expand their workforce

Capital Gains

• Increase maximum capital gains rate to 20 percent for those earning more than $200,000
($250,000 for married couples)
• Require information reporting of basis for assets sold
Alternative Minimum Tax: Make permanent the 2007 AMT patch and index it for inflation
Estate Tax: Make estate tax permanent with $3.5 million exemption and 45 percent rate
Simplification: Allow taxpayers with simple returns the option of IRS-completed tax forms to
verify, sign, and file

Revenue Raisers and Tax Havens

• Eliminate loopholes for oil and gas firms
• Close loopholes in the corporate tax deductibility of CEO pay
• Tax carried interest as ordinary income
• Reallocate multinational tax deductions
• Impose a windfall profits tax on oil and gas companies
• Require publicly traded financial partnerships to pay corporate income tax
• Codify economic substance doctrine (requires transactions that qualify for tax benefits have
economic justification beyond those benefits)
• Create an international tax haven watch list of countries who do not share information with
the U.S. and require greater financial disclosure to decrease tax shelters
Health
• Create income-based tax subsidies for health insurance purchased through new health
insurance exchange
• Require employers to provide insurance or pay a percentage of payroll to support national
plan
• Give small businesses a healthcare tax credit of 50 percent of employer-paid premiums
Other Proposals
• Impose additional Social Security tax of 2-4 percent (combined employer and employee) on
workers with income above $200,000 ($250,000 for married couples)
• Allow penalty-free withdrawal of up to 15 percent (maximum $10,000) from retirement
accounts
• Mandate automatic 401(k)s and IRAs
• Temporarily suspend rules requiring distributions from IRAs at age 70½ and taxes on such distributions.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/tax_plan_matrix_transition.pdf

Kurmugeon · Oct 1, 2012

MaggieD said:
Most of you don't even know what he proposes. What happened to, you know, actually having the facts?

Another post of grandiose socialist reforms...

All backed by an even bigger increase in Government Institutionalized Racial Preferences.

It does NOT matter if THIS time President Obama ( and the Socialists ) really, Really, REALLY mean it!

As a White American, myself and my family will not "Qualify".

Time for Obama to go.

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MaggieD · Oct 1, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
Another post of grandiose socialist reforms...

All backed by an even bigger increase in Government Institutionalized Racial Preferences.

It does NOT matter if THIS time he ( and the Socialist ) really, really, REALLY mean it!

As a White American, myself and my family will not "Qualify".

Time for Obama to go.

I'm with you, but at least we should have the facts, don't you think? If a thread is going to discuss his plans, actually, you know, putting his plans out there would seem to make sense.

Gimmesometruth · Oct 1, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
Another post of grandiose socialist reforms...

All backed by an even bigger increase in Government Institutionalized Racial Preferences.

It does NOT matter if THIS time President Obama ( and the Socialists ) really, Really, REALLY mean it!

As a White American, myself and my family will not "Qualify".

Time for Obama to go.

-

I'm sorry....where are these "racial preferences" in the list?

Jack Fabulous · Oct 1, 2012

MaggieD said:
I'm with you, but at least we should have the facts, don't you think? If a thread is going to discuss his plans, actually, you know, putting his plans out there would seem to make sense.

Which is why I am wondering why no one is talking about his budget proposal...

Gimmesometruth · Oct 1, 2012

lonewolf said:
I'll bet it would stick in people's crawl that the rich are getting richer during this administration because of all the printing but because there is less demand the rich can not hire because the middle class are getting hurt.

They are getting richer by owning assets. With all the printing it is devaluing the value of money which hurt the middle class and the poor because the prices of everything is going up. One way the rich can borrow money at cheap interest rates and buy assets but the middle class can't take advantage of the low interest rates because they either lost jobs or their balance sheets are in bad shape. As I said, Obama is really screwing the middle class again.

What rubbish, the only bit of inflation is coming from energy, read: oil. Money supply is not causing inflation, nor did it when billions were being pumped into banks by the fed. And even if what you claim was/is happening, everything would be losing value, especially "assets".

The wealthy are gaining wealth from the stock markets....because corporations are extracting the same or greater profits with lowered labor costs. This is an employers market.

"At the end of September, the S. & P. 500, the benchmark U.S. stock index, had rebounded to just 6.9 per cent below its all-time pre-crisis high, on October 9, 2007. The economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty have found that ninety-three per cent of the gains during the 2009-10 recovery went to the top one per cent of earners. Those seated around the table at dinner with Al Gore had done even better: the top 0.01 per cent captured thirty-seven per cent of the total recovery pie, with a rebound in their incomes of more than twenty per cent, which amounted to an additional $4.2 million each."

Read more Why Do America’s Super-Rich Feel Victimized by Obama? : The New Yorker

Jonsa · Oct 1, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
Even IF President Obama were to do more than just Campaign Promise and Forget all of that, like the "Shovel Ready Jobs" Promises...

Even If, It would would not matter to myself or 64% of the other Americans whom the Obama Adminstration were informed by Robert Riche "We don't want these Stimulus package jobs to go to White Men" or their families.

got a source for this wonderful quote?

I doubt this line of BS is any more real than the "Shoven Ready Jobs", but it wouldn't matter to my family, as White Americans, We don't "Qualify".

Time for Obama to go.

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I get it. RAWA!
Well, since bigotry is merely a belief couched in emotion, shaky self image and ignorance, no amount of logic can dissuade a bigot nor correct their assumptions, it does seem a wasted effort.

RadicalModerate · Oct 1, 2012

I thought it wasn't the government's job to give you anything.

Jonsa · Oct 1, 2012

specklebang said:
1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers. - How exactly?

Try tax incentives, preferred american supplier status, modernization subsidies, training allowances, more trade agreements for export markets.

2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts. - Why this wasn't done 4 years ago or 40 years ago I don't understand.

For any number of reasons, notwithstanding free trade agreements, low/cost supplier purchasing criteria. All that plus "we don't need no stinkin' gov't intervention".

3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US. - Why isn't this already being done?

Generally speaking its because it wasn't a priority. Playing the tarriff game is tit for tat. Don't want to get into it unless you got a really really strong case like Obama had with chinese dumping of tires and solar panels.

4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important) - agreed

5.

Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens. - No. Improve education. There's no reason people can't pay for their own.

Improve access doesn't mean pay for it. It means MORE PEL grants, more efficient cost effective loan process and collection process. I agree improve education, which is why there are performance incentives for state grant monies now.

6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools, - Yada, yada. Same old song.

Same old song? Consider infrastructure the foundation of the economic house. Moving raw materials from around the globe efficiently and cheaply to manufacturers and finished goods to domestic and foreign markets. Its so basic, to be dismissed out of hand as "same old song" merely indicates a decided lack of knowledge. Could you be one of those "low information voters"?

7. Sign more trade agreements - Look at the damage so far and tell me that more damage is good.

What damage would that be? Opening up foreign markets to american goods and services is what you want. Over time it improves american competitiveness and decreases trade deficits - unless you think that american can't compete anymore.

8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring. - Yes. But how?

I guess you aren't aware of obamas tax plans from the stimulus and beyond. You should look into that instead of relying on fox or rush since as far as they are concerned Obama's administration has done squat.

9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.
10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides) - BAD idea. Already tried that. It needs to stabilize and not constantly be interfered with.

Seems there's a pile of money that has yet to be utilized for this program. Attempting to preserve some measure of equity for the middle class is a positive thing and the least that can be done if wall street is not going to be held accountable for the rape of the american economy.

11. End currency wars.- Meaning?

China for instance manipulates the value of its currency against other world currencies like the dollar and the euro. This has the effect ofmaking their goods artificially cheaper. couple that with the slave wages they pay and it gets hard for anyone to compete, because the playing field isn't level.
This is a classic tactic used in many trade wars.

12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans) - already done.

Except, that many of its mandated programs are delayed because of de funding attempts by republicans. things are getting better tho. If Romney gets in, he'll slash the budget, making it ineffective over a large part of its mandate.

13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions - Agreed
14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives - Why not 4 years ago?

Because it was deemed to be a restriction of trade in the almost laissez faire capitalist atmosphere of Wall street.

Just more BOMFOG is what I'm seeing.

Might be time for some new specs.

Velvet Elvis · Oct 1, 2012

Jonsa said:
1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers.

....but then turn around and rape them in corporate tax hikes. Is he going to at least kiss them first?

2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts.

Buy what? Even 90% of goods at Target are really from Indonesia.

3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US.

So basically destroy freedom of choice for American consumers, thus driving costs up. Good job, Barack.

4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important)

It's not a "long term payoff" if the company goes under. (See here for all the Obama pet projects that have failed)

5. Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens.

Who doesn't have access to higher education now? I mean...the ones who pursue it, that is.

6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools

'Cause only Obama is interested in that. I'll give you this one, but it's not like he's the only one who's brought this up. No patting-of-the-back on this one.

7. Sign more trade agreements

...and then impose those trade tariffs you previously mentioned right? Again...will he kiss these companies before he violates them?

8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring.

...but then jack up minimum wage, force 'em into ObamaCare, and impose crushing regulations so that they eventually go under. Mission Accomplished (I guess).

9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.

Yes Comrade...more training. Training for "what," we don't know. All the small businesses will be gone, and the corporations will flee overseas. ...but the Union Goons will get their taste though, right?

10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides)

Like Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac? Do we have your permission to blame Obama for this, when Fanny/Freddie screw those mortgagees again?

12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans)

Yes Comrade...more crushing regulation. Jack up those costs of doing business, so that they can pass those costs onto the consumer.

13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions

Again with the crushing regulations. Do you really want a home loan at 10% interest?

14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives

Again with the regulations.

Seriously...wouldn't it just be easier for all the liberals to just move to North Korea? I mean....they pretty much have EVERYTHING you guys whine about wanting.

lonewolf · Oct 1, 2012

LOL this is how the left portrays people who make $250k. Unbelievably false. Maybe big business but not at the small business level.

Bellagio hotel in Las Vegas. The eight-course meal included blinis with caviar; a fennel, grapefruit, and pomegranate salad; cocoa-encrusted beef tenderloin; and blue-cheese panna cotta. The richest man in the room was Leon Cooperman, a Bronx-born, sixty-nine-year-old billionaire. Cooperman is the founder of a hedge fund called Omega Advisor

specklebang · Oct 1, 2012

1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers. - How exactly?
Try tax incentives, preferred american supplier status, modernization subsidies, training allowances, more trade agreements for export markets.
•This either hasn't worked or hasn't been done for almost 4 years.

2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts. - Why this wasn't done 4 years ago or 40 years ago I don't understand.
For any number of reasons, notwithstanding free trade agreements, low/cost supplier purchasing criteria. All that plus "we don't need no stinkin' gov't intervention".
• So those same reasons still exist. So why believe they will change?

3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US. - Why isn't this already being done?
Generally speaking its because it wasn't a priority. Playing the tarriff game is tit for tat. Don't want to get into it unless you got a really really strong case like Obama had with chinese dumping of tires and solar panels.
• But now it's a priority as an re-election promise?

4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important) - agreed
•
5. Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens. - No. Improve education. There's no reason people can't pay for their own.
Improve access doesn't mean pay for it. It means MORE PEL grants, more efficient cost effective loan process and collection process. I agree improve education, which is why there are performance incentives for state grant monies now.
• Actually, it means better schools, smaller class size, higher standards for teachers. I'm not against PELL grants but there's more value in a good basic education.

6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools, - Yada, yada. Same old song.
Same old song? Consider infrastructure the foundation of the economic house. Moving raw materials from around the globe efficiently and cheaply to manufacturers and finished goods to domestic and foreign markets. Its so basic, to be dismissed out of hand as "same old song" merely indicates a decided lack of knowledge. Could you be one of those "low information voters"?
• This was promised 4 years ago and it's still just in the promise stage. Anybody can make a promise. Could you be one of those "partisan hacks"?

7. Sign more trade agreements - Look at the damage so far and tell me that more damage is good.
What damage would that be? Opening up foreign markets to american goods and services is what you want. Over time it improves american competitiveness and decreases trade deficits - unless you think that american can't compete anymore.
• You might want to look at some of the trade agreements and you'll discover that they are always inequitable. They send us a car - 7% tax. We send them a car - 200% tax. There are indeed many areas in which we can not compete. Our labor costs are too high, our EPA regulations too strict. We don't have to make everything, we're still the biggest exporters. Historically, trade agreements haven't done us much good but that's only an opinion.

8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring. - Yes. But how?
I guess you aren't aware of obamas tax plans from the stimulus and beyond. You should look into that instead of relying on fox or rush since as far as they are concerned Obama's administration has done squat.
• Instead of responding, you give me that Fox and Limbaugh song and dance routine. You have 16 posts here, I have 2,600 and if you took the time to learn with whom you were speaking, you wouldn't have written such rubbish. Either answer the question of STFU.

9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.
• Apparently we agree.

10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides) - BAD idea. Already tried that. It needs to stabilize and not constantly be interfered with. Seems there's a pile of money that has yet to be utilized for this program. Attempting to preserve some measure of equity for the middle class is a positive thing and the least that can be done if wall street is not going to be held accountable for the rape of the american economy.
• There a pile of programs that are wasting a fortune and enriching a connected few. This is my field of expertise. I follow this closely and I'm disgusted with these multiple, ineffective programs that help almost nobody. Trying to re-inflate housing prices is stupid and harmful. Housing should find its own AFFORDABLE areas of value, not be constantly manipulated.

11. End currency wars.- Meaning?
China for instance manipulates the value of its currency against other world currencies like the dollar and the euro. This has the effect ofmaking their goods artificially cheaper. couple that with the slave wages they pay and it gets hard for anyone to compete, because the playing field isn't level. This is a classic tactic used in many trade wars.
• My poor phrasing of the question. I should have asked how.. So, now answer the question.

12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans) - already done.
Except, that many of its mandated programs are delayed because of de funding attempts by republicans. things are getting better tho. If Romney gets in, he'll slash the budget, making it ineffective over a large part of its mandate.
• I thought these were already implemented. If not, how will they be? Are you going to get rid of the Congress?

13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions - Agreed
• I should just have put agreed to everything.

14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives - Why not 4 years ago?
Because it was deemed to be a restriction of trade in the almost laissez faire capitalist atmosphere of Wall street.
• Hello. Obusha has been president for almost 4 years now. So, what's different? A new repeat of an old promise?

Just more BOMFOG is what I'm seeing.
Might be time for some new specs.
• Might be time to respond intelligently instead of making it personal.

Arbo · Oct 1, 2012

Jonsa said:
1. Incentivize manufacturers to stay or return to america and hire american workers.

So, tax breaks for big business. Something his party always rails against. Hmm..

2. Pass the buy american bill (exempt canadians please) for all government contracts.

Protectionism does not work.

3. Enforce or impose existing trade tarrifs against china (et.al.) dumping manufactured goods in US.

He doesn't have the balls.

4. Invest in new technologies like green energy (a longer term payoff, but massively important)

I.E. Waste more money on more solynrdrias.

5. Improve access to higher education for all capable citizens.

Left wing code for 'make college free'. Thus more government spending and more debt on our backs.

6. Invest in badly needed new infrastructure:roads, ports, airports, rail, schools,

Ah, let the Fed earmark more 'payola' to friends for projects that states should be taking care of themselves.

7. Sign more trade agreements

More specificty required. I believe he has signed ZERO trade agreement's so far.

8. Incentivize/reward small businesses hiring.

More tax breaks for business... wow.

9. Establish broad range of re-training opportunities for existing workforce.

More federal government involvement in stuff it does not have the power to be involved in. This is an issue for the states.

10. Provide mortgage assistance for underwater mortgages (stablize housing market where the bulk of middle class equity resides)

Put more debt on the backs of everyone to buy more votes....

11. End currency wars.

??

12. Enact consumer protection regulations for consumer credit suppliers (credit cards, mortgages, loans)
13. Enact banking regulations that significantly increase asset ratios of lending institutions
14. impose limits on esoteric financial instruments like derivatives

How many MORE regulations do we need? And what will they cost?

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