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Obama Takes Heat For Skipping Bilaterals

I wouldn't have done the bilateral meet and greets either if I were President (if for no other reason than the fact that I would significantly down-scale our participation in the UN and probably wouldn't be there to begin with)
 
Like it or not, Obama is human. You can't expect any president to know about, let alone stop, all planned attacks against US interests. I don't believe for a second that Obama and those in charge of security in these coutries was not beefed up. Just like I don't, for second, think Bush was able to stop the 9-11 attacks. Bush was warned that something was being planned, yet the attack happened, the same is true for Obama. I used to work as a prison guard. We got information from time to time that something big was being planned. TRying to sort through the valid information and the useless information and knowing how much extra security in troubled areas wasn't an easy task. Sometimes we were able to prevent problems and other times we were not. As humans, all we can do is try to make informed choices and move on when things don't go as planned.

And this is called blind allegiance....

LMFAO... so you think Obama beefed up security... and they were that overwhelmed that they couldn't disperse the crowd? Seriously? That's your defense?

All it wouldve taken is a couple cannisters of tear gas... and some riot gear... and if necessary some rubber bullets...

The proof we need to show you that the security was not beefed up... guess what Obama was cutting with the sequestration... EMBASSY SECURITY!!!

They had warnings 3 days prior to it happening, ignored it... and did nothing, even as the events were forming on the ground (which could've still prevented it, despite being unprepared)...

The "apology statement" that was put out, should've been coupled with heavy ramped up defense measures, and the FAST team being deployed at that point...

Gross negligence...
 
Romney was criticized by members of his own party for how he handled the Benghazi attack. He didn't even give Obama a chance to deal with the matter before he came out attacking Obama for how he was handling it.
However, your opinion is noted.

Yeah, and the irony there... Romney was criticized from most people for acting too quickly, before all the details came in....

Yet, those people stopped pointing the finger at Romney in the days following, as the violence spread, and people realized Romney's urgency was what was required... And Obama's passive nature, and delayed reaction is what facilitated the wider breakout of violence...

Now as the details are filing in about the attack, with the breaches of security, the advanced warning, and Obama not meeting with foreign leaders... It's clear that Obama mishandled this... and is paying more attention to his own campaign than doing his job of protecting America's interests...

Not much talk about Romney on this issue anymore is there...
 
And this is called blind allegiance....

LMFAO... so you think Obama beefed up security... and they were that overwhelmed that they couldn't disperse the crowd? Seriously? That's your defense?

All it wouldve taken is a couple cannisters of tear gas... and some riot gear... and if necessary some rubber bullets...

The proof we need to show you that the security was not beefed up... guess what Obama was cutting with the sequestration... EMBASSY SECURITY!!!

They had warnings 3 days prior to it happening, ignored it... and did nothing, even as the events were forming on the ground (which could've still prevented it, despite being unprepared)...

The "apology statement" that was put out, should've been coupled with heavy ramped up defense measures, and the FAST team being deployed at that point...

Gross negligence...

Yeah, I'm sure that the two former navy SEALs who were killed in the attack didn't have your security expertise. Talk about blind allegiance.... :roll:
 
LOL Obama's responsible for the election in Egypt but has nothing to do with foiling plots against us or eliminating terrorist leaders? You live in a partisan dream world. Obama has kept us safe when his predecessor was unable to do the same. Republicans are not capable of protecting this nation, Bush proved that beyond a doubt. I fear for this country should another one ever be elected.

LMFAO @ partisan... I'm the centrist... you're the blatant liberal, who is still stuck in the past, and still wants to beleive every Republican is GWB... and you think the claim of partisan coming from you has any weight to it?

The accurate comparison here isn't 9/11 eventhough it happened on the anniversary... the comparison here is to the hostage crisis in Iran... here we are again... yet another similarity to his mentor Carter...
 
Yeah, and the irony there... Romney was criticized from most people for acting too quickly, before all the details came in....

Yet, those people stopped pointing the finger at Romney in the days following, as the violence spread, and people realized Romney's urgency was what was required... And Obama's passive nature, and delayed reaction is what facilitated the wider breakout of violence...

Now as the details are filing in about the attack, with the breaches of security, the advanced warning, and Obama not meeting with foreign leaders... It's clear that Obama mishandled this... and is paying more attention to his own campaign than doing his job of protecting America's interests...

Not much talk about Romney on this issue anymore is there...

Everyone knows Romney blew it. People stopped talking about it because your boy stepped on his own dick even harder in the famous 47% video. :lol:
 
Yeah, I'm sure that the two former navy SEALs who were killed in the attack didn't have your security expertise. Talk about blind allegiance.... :roll:

all 2 of them ey? yeah, that was probably enough... :roll:

Let's also not forget the 2 of them were in Libya, protecting an embassador who had been threatened many times, that was unrelated to 9/11... They were not in Egypt, where they stormed in and hung the al-qaida flag over our embassy... in which it was known a lot more than 2 navy seals would've been needed to secure it... and that Egypt wasn't prepared to provide adequate security for us... so we should've been prepared to... but, that's where Obama chose to make his cuts... not birth control pills at religious institutions... let's keep those... but embassy security, let's gut that...
 
Everyone knows Romney blew it. People stopped talking about it because your boy stepped on his own dick even harder in the famous 47% video. :lol:

No... everyone stopped getting on Romney's call for an urgent response... when Obama's lack of response facilitated the spread of the violence to 20 countries... to the point where people were calling on Obama for more of a response as well... yet another case where Romney was ahead of the game...
 
all 2 of them ey? yeah, that was probably enough... :roll:

Let's also not forget the 2 of them were in Libya, protecting an embassador who had been threatened many times, that was unrelated to 9/11... They were not in Egypt, where they stormed in and hung the al-qaida flag over our embassy... in which it was known a lot more than 2 navy seals would've been needed to secure it... and that Egypt wasn't prepared to provide adequate security for us... so we should've been prepared to... but, that's where Obama chose to make his cuts... not birth control pills at religious institutions... let's keep those... but embassy security, let's gut that...

Uh, that's how many were killed -- not the total security force. :roll:

The security force was sufficient to hold out for five hours against a highly organized attack involving RPGs, hand grenades, gun trucks, and mortars.
 
LMFAO @ partisan... I'm the centrist... you're the blatant liberal, who is still stuck in the past, and still wants to beleive every Republican is GWB... and you think the claim of partisan coming from you has any weight to it?

The accurate comparison here isn't 9/11 eventhough it happened on the anniversary... the comparison here is to the hostage crisis in Iran... here we are again... yet another similarity to his mentor Carter...

Romney's foreign policy blustering and blundering is way too much like GW. Not surprising since he hired all the same neocon advisors who's only goal is to get us into another war in the mideast. It beyond stupidity that Romney would run to the same idiots that screwed up Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Romney's foreign policy blustering and blundering is way too much like GW. Not surprising since he hired all the same neocon advisors who's only goal is to get us into another war in the mideast. It beyond stupidity that Romney would run to the same idiots that screwed up Iraq and Afghanistan.

LMFAO.... right... Afghanistan and Iraq were perfect places before those evil "neocons" showed up... now those utopias have been destroyed :roll:
 
Uh, that's how many were killed -- not the total security force. :roll:

The security force was sufficient to hold out for five hours against a highly organized attack involving RPGs, hand grenades, gun trucks, and mortars.

Naw... really? there were more than 2 people there?

Again, those two Navy Seals killed in Libya were not on security of the embassy in Cairo... but I'm used to having to circumvent your perpetual attempts at distraction from points of relevance...

The marine staff protecting the embassy is Cairo has been the largest in the region, and it still is only 30 people... the crowd gathered around was estimated to be 2K... 30 is way too small... There's a retired Col. who was contracted to the state department to provide security to embassies in Afghanistan... he said it was supposed to be 75... I trust 75 Marines to be able to disperse a crowd of 2K rioters throwing stones and waving flags... 30 I could see being overrun, but not before putting up a better fight than what we saw...

However, this details the initial attack, and the numbers scalong the wall as dozens... are you telling me 30 marines couldn't stop dozens of protesters?
Egyptian protesters scale U.S. Embassy wall in Cairo - Brattleboro Reformer

that source also mentions that staff had been sent home earlier in the day, as they had known about the protest in advance...

a statement which is also backed up by this marine publication...
Embassy attacks highlight Corps security work - Abstract


In the pictures of the raid on the embassy in Cairo, there is no sign of a struggle or resisistence to the people who have scaled the wall... It isn't until aftewards that you can see tear gas cannisters and clashes with local Egyptian security forces... Where is the action from the US Marines? Why did it take so long for a FAST team to arrive?

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"Protesters destroy an American flag pulled down from the U.S. embassy in Cairo September 11, 2012."

Unfortunately, it isnt until after the fact, that the tear gas cannisters came out, and the police began breaking up riots... and getting in clashes with the protesters... But, they didn't until 24 hrs after the initial attacks on 9/11 and the threats that were made prior to then... The FAST unit wasn't sent until 24 hrs after the attack either... and they were sent to Bengazi, not Cairo...


Here is an article on mother jones, which posts a memo from the USMC on the attacks and the response...
Wingnuts Falsely Claim Obama Administration Forbade Marines From Carrying Live Ammo | Mother Jones

As it says, the FAST team was deployed to Libya not Cairo...
It's a shame... it really is...


But, yet again we have another issue, where you try to pretend my criticisms are unfounded... So I will show you those of others... with the same viewpoint, who have far more experience on the matter than either of us...

Like this retired Col. who was stationed abroad at embassies providing security...
Ex-Army colonel questions embassy security - News - ReviewJournal.com


The entire Washington press were critical of this as well, and grilled Hillary Clinton on her lax security measures at her embassies...
Hillary Clinton Faces Capitol Hill Grilling on Embassy Security in Muslim Attacks - The Daily Beast

and of course conservative bloggers went after him for this, and the despicable attempt of the MSM to mistake the blame as Romneys
neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Violence against Americans in Cairo and Benghazi

This is where Obama's Defense cuts are targeted to be...
Sequestration report: Embassy security to be cut by $129 million - Conservative News


So it isn't my notion of the lack of adequate security... it's the fact that there wasn't adequate security... and most people have been after the adminstration over this... and not Romney...


and though it doesn't argue either way, this is a nice article about the history and methods of the MSGs
Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG)

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/138440.pdf
 
Naw... really? there were more than 2 people there?

Again, those two Navy Seals killed in Libya were not on security of the embassy in Cairo... but I'm used to having to circumvent your perpetual attempts at distraction from points of relevance...

Err, what is the relevance of Cairo? Are trying to say that it was some kind of national disaster because they got one of our flags? That was tragic and all, but I think we probably have more....
 
Err, what is the relevance of Cairo? Are trying to say that it was some kind of national disaster because they got one of our flags? That was tragic and all, but I think we probably have more....

I know you're slow on the uptake sometimes... but, I'll try to give you a roadmap...

I was speaking about the gross negligence involved in the lack of protection of the US Embassies, especially the one in Cairo, where they had advanced warning of the attack coming, and still didn't prepare for it adequately or fend off a crowd on kids...

You countered with Navy seals killed in Libya... which i rightly pointed out has nothing to do with Cairo...

The whole point is that there was advanced warning, no action was taken, and our embassy was attacked, raided, and on the anniversary of 9/11 al-qaida's flag was raised over our most protected embassy in the entire region....

do you not get what message that sends?

they got the message in the other 20 countries that violence spread to in the following days... and it still continues...
 
And yet Obama still has done nothing to stop the protests in these other countries.
 
LMFAO.... right... Afghanistan and Iraq were perfect places before those evil "neocons" showed up... now those utopias have been destroyed :roll:

I don't give a f*** about Iraqi's it was the 3000 american lives lost 20,000 injured that was intolerable. And for what? Iraq is an Iranian puppet state now. Why would we ovrethrow Iran' s mortal enemy with our soldiers blood?
 
And yet Obama still has done nothing to stop the protests in these other countries.

Wait...those "other countries" are free to protest? Quick call in the Marines. We need to stop all forms of freedom anywhere in the world or we are doomed.
 
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