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Unskewed Polling [W:536]

AdamT said:
Mitt is done if he loses this time around. He couldn't run for dog catcher
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He'll also be nearly 70 years old. He's got a really great hairdresser/beautician team, most people don't realize he's 65 years-old.
 
I think the most likely outcome in this election is that Mitt Romney will be elected president. However, the pseudo-election will be won by Obama and he will keep his seat. Unfortunately, we have the electoral college and "winner take all" states that ensure we are limited to these two poor choices and that even the majority vote doesn't guarantee victory.
 
If Obama is the lock that everybody thinks he is then why isn't the DNC pulling back its money from that race and focusing on recapturing the House? Just curious since I have yet to see or hear a single ad or receive a single piece of mail from the democratic candidate for the house in my district. I have seen a few signs but that is it.
 
AdamT said:
His RELATIVE performance was worse than Obama's, as we've gone over countless times.
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and yet.....Conservative somehow feels that his vote was intelligent....maybe he should practice what he preaches.
 
Ok, one last post...
Conservative said:
There is one poll that matters, the one on November 6. If there are more Americans that have no problem with the Obama record and believe we can afford four more years of that record then he will win. If there are more like me who believe America cannot afford four more years of high unemployment, high debt, low economic growth, massive govt. dependence, and crony capitalism he will and should lose.
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..and there the kiss of death cliche trifecta is complete.
1) the polls are wrong/rigged!
2) once everyone realizes what I do, even though they've had months to do so already, they'll all change their minds!
3) the only poll that matters is <election date>!

Desperation has set in. Next stage, resignation.

:2wave:
 
Fisher said:
If Obama is the lock that everybody thinks he is then why isn't the DNC pulling back its money from that race and focusing on recapturing the House? Just curious since I have yet to see or hear a single ad or receive a single piece of mail from the democratic candidate for the house in my district. I have seen a few signs but that is it.
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He's not a complete lock. They can't pull money when Romney's sitting on so much. All it would take is a gap in the Romney smear campaign mixed with an honest economic update and things swing the other way.
 
Fisher said:
If Obama is the lock that everybody thinks he is then why isn't the DNC pulling back its money from that race and focusing on recapturing the House? Just curious since I have yet to see or hear a single ad or receive a single piece of mail from the democratic candidate for the house in my district. I have seen a few signs but that is it.
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Obama's chances of winning are around 70-75%. That means he still has a 25-30% chance of losing, so it can't be described as a lock and no one is taking their foot off the gas until Nov. 6.
 
disneydude said:
and yet.....Conservative somehow feels that his vote was intelligent....maybe he should practice what he preaches.
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Based upon the results, my vote was intelligent unless you believe having worse results warrant's four more years?
 
Dwight said:
Ok, one last post...

..and there the kiss of death cliche trifecta is complete.
1) the polls are wrong/rigged!
2) once everyone realizes what I do, even though they've had months to do so already, they'll all change their minds!
3) the only poll that matters is <election date>!

Desperation has set in. Next stage, resignation.

:2wave:
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Think it is possible that Obama will resign?
 
Conservative said:
When Bush ran for re-election he didn't have 23 million under employed ...
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True, at this point in Bush's first term, the un/under employed went from 10 million to 14 million as the U6 rate went up 2.1 points; compared to Obama for that same period, where it went from 22 million to 23 million as the U6 has gone up ½ of one point.

I can see why you think Obama was such a failure but Bush was a resounding success.

:roll::roll::roll:


Conservative said:
... including 14 million unemployed/discouraged workers ...
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Ahh, U4 ... 43 months under Obama, it's up 0.4 points and 652,118 people

But after 43 months under Bush, it was up 1.4 points and 2,231,512 people.

Nearly 4 times as many people found themselves in the U4 category under Bush than under Obama, yet you hailed Bush but curse Obama.

Go figure? :shrug:
 
Dwight said:
Desperation has set in. Next stage, resignation.

:2wave:
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Come on -- don't try to short change us watching Conservative go though the grief and anger phases!
 
disneydude said:
and yet.....Conservative somehow feels that his vote was intelligent....maybe he should practice what he preaches.
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Results only matter for Liberals. Just like personal responsibility and not seeing yourself as a victim.
 
AdamT said:
Mitt is done if he loses this time around. He couldn't run for dog catcher
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You never know ... he could shake up that etch-a-sketch and reinvent himself yet again. :lamo
 
Fisher said:
If Obama is the lock that everybody thinks he is then why isn't the DNC pulling back its money from that race and focusing on recapturing the House? Just curious since I have yet to see or hear a single ad or receive a single piece of mail from the democratic candidate for the house in my district. I have seen a few signs but that is it.
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Who has said Obama has a "lock" on the election?
 
AdamT said:
Come on -- don't try to short change us watching Conservative go though the grief and anger phases!
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Psst, I just noticed him asking about the possibility of Obama resigning. I think that's Bargaining. ;)
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
True, at this point in Bush's first term, the un/under employed went from 10 million to 14 million as the U6 rate went up 2.1 points; compared to Obama for that same period, where it went from 22 million to 23 million as the U6 has gone up ½ of one point.

I can see why you think Obama was such a failure but Bush was a resounding success.

:roll::roll::roll:



Ahh, U4 ... 43 months under Obama, it's up 0.4 points and 652,118 people

But after 43 months under Bush, it was up 1.4 points and 2,231,512 people.

Nearly 4 times as many people found themselves in the U4 category under Bush than under Obama, yet you hailed Bush but curse Obama.

Go figure? :shrug:
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Isn't it great, Obama adds 5.4 trillion to the debt and we have more unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. You think a 16 trillion dollar debt, high unemployment, low economic growth, massive expansion of a govt. central economy is exactly what you need. wish there was a way we get only Obama supporters to pay for it.
 
Dwight said:
Psst, I just noticed him asking about the possibility of Obama resigning. I think that's Bargaining. ;)
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Same cast of characters here baiting and trolling. Not one can justify voting for four more years of Obama nor can any defend his record for apparently results don't matter in the liberal world. You claim to be a libertarian? No libertarian could ever vote for Obama and his massive spending and growth in govt.
 
Conservative said:
Isn't it great, Obama adds 5.4 trillion to the debt
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Conservative complaining about the debt is like music to my ears. Before Obama became president, 8 trillion of the 10.6 trillion was added under Republican presidents and yet, not only did they never complain about it; they defended it.

Y'all want to whine about it now only because there is a Democrat in the White House is like a tree falling in the forest.

I would say that I'm glad to see Conservatives finally care about the debt, except I have no doubt in my mind that when it goes up another 5 trillion even under a Romney administration, y'all will be back to defending Republicans' debt management.

Conservative said:
and we have more unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers.
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So what that we have more unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers?

We have 831 thousand more under Obama. You call that bad and a failure.

But under Bush up until this point, we had 3.4 million more; you hailed that a success and voted to give that loser 4 more years.

I can't help that you fail to understand the hypocrisy of your position.
 
Conservative said:
Same cast of characters here baiting and trolling. Not one can justify voting for four more years of Obama nor can any defend his record for apparently results don't matter
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Sure they matter. No double-dip recession, historically atypical! A slowly improving economy over nearly full range of term (once the free-fall the current Admin inherited was stopped). At least an attempt at addressing healthcare issue (I'm not big on the solution but meh). Ditching the deadhead policy of DADT. Foreign policy isn't exactly what I'd like to see but close enough. Energy policy focused on R&D across wide spread of energy options. For starters.
in the liberal world. You claim to be a libertarian? No libertarian could ever vote for Obama and his massive spending and growth in govt.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...es-match-you-candidate-14.html#post1060947093

In a field of potatoes you pick the best one you think you can dig up, even if you'd rather have a turnip.

I'm one of those people that but the liberal back in libertarian.
 
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Fisher said:
If Obama is the lock that everybody thinks he is then why isn't the DNC pulling back its money from that race and focusing on recapturing the House? Just curious since I have yet to see or hear a single ad or receive a single piece of mail from the democratic candidate for the house in my district. I have seen a few signs but that is it.
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Winning Presidential candidates tend to provide substantial coattails down ticket. Plus the "don't let up on the gas" thing.

P.S. Most of the national campaign funds are tagged as Obama's, not DNC funds.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Conservative complaining about the debt is like music to my ears. Before Obama became president, 8 trillion of the 10.6 trillion was added under Republican presidents and yet, not only did they never complain about it; they defended it.

Y'all want to whine about it now only because there is a Democrat in the White House is like a tree falling in the forest.

I would say that I'm glad to see Conservatives finally care about the debt, except I have no doubt in my mind that when it goes up another 5 trillion even under a Romney administration, y'all will be back to defending Republicans' debt management.


So what that we have more unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers?

We have 831 thousand more under Obama. You call that bad and a failure.

But under Bush up until this point, we had 3.4 million more; you hailed that a success and voted to give that loser 4 more years.

I can't help that you fail to understand the hypocrisy of your position.
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Aw, yes, the same cast of characters tag teaming with their BDS. It is the Obama record on the ballot in November not Bush's and when I voted for Bush he didn't have 13.4 million unemployed/discouraged workers or another 9 million under unemployed in those "burger flipper" jobs that liberals complained that Bush created, didn't add 5.4 trillion to the debt, have a 5000 decrease in median income, 48 million on food stamps, and 46 million under the poverty level. Nor did Bush have 1.7% GDP growth but rather 3.5% GDP growth.

The fact that you support the Obama record and try to divert to the Bush Administration is quite telling. We cannot afford four more years of Obama
 
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Dwight said:
Sure they matter. No double-dip recession, historically atypical! A slowly improving economy over nearly full range of term (once the free-fall the current Admin inherited was stopped). At least an attempt at addressing healthcare issue (I'm not big on the solution but meh). Ditching the deadhead policy of DADT. Foreign policy isn't exactly what I'd like to see but close enough. Energy policy focused on R&D across wide spread of energy options. For starters.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...es-match-you-candidate-14.html#post1060947093

In a field of potatoes you pick the best one you think you can dig up, even if you'd rather have a turnip.

I'm one of those people that but the liberal back in libertarian.
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Libertarians believe in smaller govt. and more freedoms, liberals believe in the opposite so better take that quiz again. My bet is you are a full blown liberal who needs Obama's type govt. and are probably part of the group that don't pay any FIT
 
Conservative said:
Libertarians believe in smaller govt. and more freedoms, liberals believe in the opposite so better take that quiz again.
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Only in your narrow, little mind.
My bet is you are a full blown liberal who needs Obama's type govt. and are probably part of the group that don't pay any FIT
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You might want to hold off on laying down money for that loser bet if you have also decided to lay money on Romney based on your screwedunskewed numbers. You won't have any money left to by that Texas mickey of Wild Turkey for your liquid Thanksgiving Dinner. :D
 
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Dwight said:
Only in your narrow, little mind.

You might want to hold off on laying down money for that loser bet if you have also decided to lay money on Romney based on your screwedunskewed numbers. You won't have any money left to by that Texas mickey of Wild Turkey for your liquid Thanksgiving Dinner. :D
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Way to go, Newbie, personal attacks and totally ignoring the Obama record as well as what libertarians believe. Obama is certainly your candidate, the true Teflon President
 
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