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Obama's Team Responds to "2016 Obama's America"

MaggieD said:
I don't choose to waste my time, Muddy. Go look it up yourself and stop reading/believing the left wing spins. There's plenty of sources. You're just too lazy to go find out for yourself. I've done my homework through independent sources. You?? Never mind, I already know the answer.
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Hey, the spin is from a right wing pundit who has worked for right wing think tanks who has created a fantasy about a president not being a citizen and denouncing all the proof that was given DURING an election year. YOU'RE the one eating the brownies at the delusional right wing lying table.

The fact you can't document anything speaks volumes. Not my job to defend your argument...I think it's based on lies..and apparently, I am seeing that I am probably right.
 
Jetboogieman said:
SO WHAT!?!?!?!

What the hell is a "typical American fashion" either?

I'm gonna be pretty harsh here because you should know better.

The whole idea that because his father wasn't American, that he lived in another country for awhile makes him not very American is ludicrous beyond belief.

I was not born in Canada, I was born all the way over in Africa. Lived in England for many years but I am as Canadian as they come
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So you play ice hockey?
 
MaggieD said:
President Obama was not raised in typical American fashion. That's quite clear from the movie. It's also clear that he fully embraced his father's philosophy. Why do you assume that I think he is trying to dismantle the "American Empire?"
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Exactly. True American patriots support our imperialism.
 
MaggieD said:
Is that what you say about Catholics who donated to their church?
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That characterizing it as 'charity' is dubious? Yup.
But I just don't understand the hatred people have for Romney.
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I don't hate him.
 
Muddy Creek said:
No it's not...it's twisted to fit the birther lies...and to satisfy the racist heart of those who see it.

A film was created filled with the racist fantasies and fiction of a group of people who would spend money and make this reight wing pundit rich...NO facts were given...just feeding the pundits zeal and desire for racism.
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Sorry, dude, but that's just a lie. There's nothing about birtherism in the movie. The movie is about how much Obama is influenced by anti-colonialist ideas and radical leftist ideology (which he, oddly enough, didn't get from his father but got from Columbia University), not that he was born in Kenya. The movie is rich with facts, and out of dozens of facts presented the Obama campaign could only find 5 with which to take issue. The facts in the movie, as I remember it, mostly come out of Obama's book as he relates them and out of well known current events and Obama's life as related by more than one biographer. As for racist, D'Souza, you may have noticed, isn't white and neither are many of the people he interviews in the movie.
 
LowDown said:
Sorry, dude, but that's just a lie. There's nothing about birtherism in the movie. The movie is about how much Obama is influenced by anti-colonialist ideas and radical leftist ideology (which he, oddly enough, didn't get from his father but got from Columbia University), not that he was born in Kenya. The movie is rich with facts, and out of dozens of facts presented the Obama campaign could only find 5 with which to take issue. The facts in the movie, as I remember it, mostly come out of Obama's book as he relates them and out of well known current events and Obama's life as related by more than one biographer. As for racist, D'Souza, you may have noticed, isn't white and neither are many of the people he interviews in the movie.
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Africans should be grateful for all the help they got from European nations during the colonial era there.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Yeah, and Breitbart made a KILLING retouching youtube videos to make them into something they were not. Sorry...that's not good enough when you have a right wing political pundit who wrote the fantasy himself during an election year.
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If you'd actually seen the movie then you might have some basis for making that claim. But you haven't and you don't.

Your attempts to hack this thread have been pathetic. Good night to you.
 
MaggieD said:
Is that what you say about Catholics who donated to their church? He donated $4 million. Yes, money is fungible. But I just don't understand the hatred people have for Romney. He's done wonderful things in his life -- with his money. More than you've done. More than I've done. More than, probably, all of the people on this board put together.
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To be honest, I'd say that about any donation to a religious charity that is mainly concerned with gaining new converts to their faith. Romney did his "mission work" in France. Last time I checked, France isn't exactly the epicenter of famine and pestilence. You also have to look at how much he earned overall. Most people can't donate that much because it's more than their lifetime earnings. Lastly, you also have to look at how much of the money he would have lost in taxes if he didn't donate it. That's how much Mitt really donated. The rest is a back door method of giving tax money to religious institutions.
 
LowDown said:
The movie is about how much Obama is influenced by anti-colonialist ideas.
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Wait... is anyone here pro colonialist... :2razz:

Oh the far right wing is hilarious aren't they?

They can't keep their attacks straight for one moment.

One minutes he's a socialist, the next he's a fascist.

Then he's a communist... then he's a marxist.

Then he's a black liberation theologist, then he's a muslim.

Then he's not black enough... then he's a racist...

Honestly it's pathetic.

You folks just make me laugh.
 
Loki97 said:
To be honest, I'd say that about any donation to a religious charity that is mainly concerned with gaining new converts to their faith. Romney did his "mission work" in France. Last time I checked, France isn't exactly the epicenter of famine and pestilence. You also have to look at how much he earned overall. Most people can't donate that much because it's more than their lifetime earnings. Lastly, you also have to look at how much of the money he would have lost in taxes if he didn't donate it. That's how much Mitt really donated. The rest is a back door method of giving tax money to religious institutions.
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He gained absolutely nothing in taxes by donating to his church or any other organization he chose to donate to. That you think that way shows you just simply don't understand our tax code. He gained nothing. Since when is donating money to religious institutions something less than charitable? What an outlook!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Wait... is anyone here pro colonialist... :2razz:
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I consider it progress that Americans are finally coming to terms with the existence of their colonialism, 20 years ago you'd get nothing but denials up and down about that.
 
You do not gain from donating money, you just pay less total gross taxes. If you were in the 35% bracket and gave $100,000.00 to a charity, then it really only cost you $65K because you gave away the tax liability on the $100K as well i.e. if you had not given away the $100K you would have only kept the $65K after taxes
 
MaggieD said:
He gained absolutely nothing in taxes by donating to his church or any other organization he chose to donate to. That you think that way shows you just simply don't understand our tax code.
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Holy crap on a stick. You are clueless.

Romney had to get his accountants to goose his 2011 Income Tax filing to not claim all the 'charity' amounts he could have so as to keep his effective tax rate from dropping even lower than the 13%-and-change from 2010.

P.S. Of course he has 3 years to go back and amend that to include the full deduction allowed, so some time mid-November expect that to quietly get sent in. ;)
 
Dwight said:
Holy crap on a stick. You are clueless.

Romney had to get his accountants to goose his 2011 Income Tax filing to not claim all the 'charity' amounts he could have so as to keep his effective tax rate from dropping even lower than the 13%-and-change from 2010.

P.S. Of course he has 3 years to go back and amend that to include the full deduction allowed, so some time mid-November expect that to quietly get sent in. ;)
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That's a nice spin. You don't have to link me to how tax deductible contributions are handled. I understand it. Why must we always think the worst?
 
Muddy Creek said:
So, the fantasy film which makes up lies and documents nothing but to fill the racist feelings of right wingers is NOT partisan?

I would have to agree...it's fiction strictly used for entertainment...like FOX "news" or Limbaugh.
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No, just the delusion of lefties who lash out at their interpretation of anti-Obama sentiments.

By the way, which race card did you just play? It couldn't have been a trump, he's a republican. :lamo
 
MaggieD said:
That's a nice spin.
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Spin? Oh great, you are one of those people that when handed their ass with facts and reason, you try dismiss it all as 'spin'. :thumbdown
You don't have to link me to how tax deductible contributions are handled. I understand it.
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Then why type inane things if you know they are bull****?
Why must we always think the worst?
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Think the worst of what?
 
Dwight said:
Spin? Oh great, you are one of those people that when handed their ass with facts and reason, you try dismiss it all as 'spin'. :thumbdown

Then why type inane things if you know they are bull****?

Think the worst of what?
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Hey, listen, 12-Posts, I've been in/out/in/out of these threads for quite some time. I've posted my proof time and again. I'm sorry you haven't been around long enough to read it -- and, unfortunately, I'm not going to post it all yet again. You didn't hand me my ass, my friend. I just don't buy the crap you're selling.
 
I personally haven't seen the movie yet. I may still, but I'm definitely not paying to see it anymore than I would pay to see a Michael Moore film. I did, however, see the trailer. From what I gathered, the overall narrative of the film is that the filmmaker believes President Obama is trying to destroy America based on his own Kenyan values and the film is his way of proving that. Quite frankly, if that is honestly the narrative throughout the movie, I have no interest in seeing it. It's bull****. If Obama were truly trying to destroy this country, wouldn't he have accomplished far more towards that goal during his first term? Why wait until his second term when he may or may not get re-elected? Not even Michael Moore went that far into crazy town and he went pretty ****ing far. We really should stop calling these heavily agenda-driven political films documentaries. They really aren't.
 
MaggieD said:
Hey, listen, 12-Posts, I've been in/out/in/out of these threads for quite some time. I've posted my proof time and again.
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Your proof of what? WTF are you trying to say is spin?
I'm sorry you haven't been around long enough to read it -- and, unfortunately, I'm not going to post it all yet again.
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If you are going to try make assertions that on the face of them are asinine you should expect to try back them up...even if you consider your e-peen of number of posts bigger. :think:
You didn't hand me my ass, my friend. I just don't buy the crap you're selling.
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You tried say that Romney didn't gain anything by donating. But what he did gain was advancement of the private politically active club to forward his own religious, and co-operative insurance, and even political interests with pre-tax money rather than after-tax money that is the intent of the tax code.


Given the idiocy and arrogance you are putting on display (really, number of posts counts for something around here?) I couldn't care less what you are buying.
 
Fisher said:
You do not gain from donating money, you just pay less total gross taxes. If you were in the 35% bracket and gave $100,000.00 to a charity, then it really only cost you $65K because you gave away the tax liability on the $100K as well i.e. if you had not given away the $100K you would have only kept the $65K after taxes
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Which is what I was saying. He didn't "give" the entire amount of money because he wouldn't have gotten to keep all of it anyway. Instead, what would have been money in the U.S. tax coffers will probably go overseas to alleviate the rampant starvation in France and teach them the miracle of the magic underwear.
 
Muddy Creek said:
No people commented on how they're not interested in fantasies about what COULD Happen from a right wing pundit who hates Obama and will bash him at every given opportunity during this election cycle.

Ever Seen Al Gore's documentaries..that Actually DOCUMENT global warming?
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I did. Damned good piece of propraganda that was.

And for the record, I agree with those who say climate change is being caused by human activity (i.e., scientists). But that doesn't change the fact that this documentary was a damned good piece of agenda-driven propaganda.

As for the Obama documentary, I haven't seen it. But I would expect it to contain more truthiness about Obama than we get from the mainstream media.
 
Muddy Creek said:
It's not clear in the movie...it's not documented. It's a fable that has been going on ever since the right wingers changed from Obama being a Christian with a racist pastor to these lies.

His helping the poor makes him far more Christian than the born again evangelicals in this nation.
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You're right, to an extent. The right should have stuck with pointing out that Obama's pastor of 20 years was a racist demagogue.

As for helping the poor, it depends on how you define "help". Cause from what I can see, Romeny has helped the poor far mroe in his personal capacity (taxes and charitable contributions) while Obama's policies have substantially impeded economic growth, again harming the poor far more than the rich.

Oh right. He tried to make churches pay 10 bucks a month for employees' birth control.

And just to round this up, "helping the poor" with other people's money doesn't really deserve much credit.
 
Dwight said:
Your proof of what? WTF are you trying to say is spin?

If you are going to try make assertions that on the face of them are asinine you should expect to try back them up...even if you consider your e-peen of number of posts bigger. :think:

You tried say that Romney didn't gain anything by donating. But what he did gain was advancement of the private politically active club to forward his own religious, and co-operative insurance, and even political interests with pre-tax money rather than after-tax money that is the intent of the tax code.

Given the idiocy and arrogance you are putting on display (really, number of posts counts for something around here?) I couldn't care less what you are buying.
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Have you ever thought that the reason he didn't show his actual return is because he's taken the time to amend it? That he originally took the full deduction he was entitled to and that's why he didn't want to show his actual return? Things aren't always as they seem. In fact, in politics they rarely are.

In my opinion, the whole discussion about Romney's tax rate is absurd. It's sure worked for Obama, as it's kept Romney on the defensive...about paying every last dime Congress told him he was required to pay by law. Shame on all of those who somehow blame Romney -- castigate him -- because he's successful and because he follows the tax laws as Congress as seen fit to write them.

Romney has donated millions and millions of dollars to charity . . . he's done good deeds for his friends and neighbors . . . much beyond what most of us will ever do -- or what this entire board will do -- forget the money. Just the good works. He's been maligned because he owned a successful venture capital firm. Put down because he donates to his church. Because he makes tons of money. And yet we need another couple million just like him. Yay, Romney. And us? We've just proven to every viable candidate out there that whatever you've done in your life can be spun to make you look like an asshole.
 
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