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How Romney Packed The Univision Forum

Somerville

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There have already been a couple of threads about the two candidates appearing on Univision, focused primarily on the reality that the moderators posed much tougher questions for the President than other media outlets. There have also been some comments about how much more popular Romney appeared to be with the audience.

Tense moments as the campaign demands to bus in supporters and to retape an introduction. “A little bit of disrespect,” complains Univision's Salinas.

check out Romney's 'tan' in the photo at the Buzzfeed page

MIAMI, Fla. — Mitt Romney's campaign took a hard line with the Spanish-language network Univision, making last-minute demands in the run-up to last week's town hall that helped insure his success in the forum, sources familiar with the broadcast told BuzzFeed.

When the Republican took his place Wednesday night in the first of two back-to-back candidate forums televised on the mega-network, he was greeted by an adoring, raucous crowd that cheered his every word, and booed many of the moderators' questions. The next night, President Obama was treated to stone cold silence from the audience as he was aggressively grilled on his lackluster immigration record.

The contrast was widely noted by observers who watched both forums — and it was glaring enough to evoke some boasting from the Romney campaign in the immediate aftermath.
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I always like a bit of ethics in politicians. Don't you? :roll:
 
Somerville said:
There have already been a couple of threads about the two candidates appearing on Univision, focused primarily on the reality that the moderators posed much tougher questions for the President than other media outlets. There have also been some comments about how much more popular Romney appeared to be with the audience.




I always like a bit of ethics in politicians. Don't you? :roll:
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When Obama appears on a Fox Q & A and Fox gets to set the parameters for the audience makeup you can cry. Further note: Obama had trouble filling the seats as well, hows that enthusiasm gap problem going?
 
Somerville said:
There have already been a couple of threads about the two candidates appearing on Univision, focused primarily on the reality that the moderators posed much tougher questions for the President than other media outlets. There have also been some comments about how much more popular Romney appeared to be with the audience.

I always like a bit of ethics in politicians. Don't you? :roll:
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I checked your link and it wouldn't load. I have heard nothing of Romney using a DEM technique of busing in paid supporters. If he did, I will be surprise and will not approve.

I also have a hard time discussing anything with someone who claims to be a socialist. If you are really a socialist you would admire the busing of people around for political effect - they invented the idea.

So - are you really a socialist? I am going to assume you are, since you claim to be, and will therefore ignore anything you post in the future. A minute spent discussing anything with a dedicated socialist is a minute wasted.

If you have any qualifications for your 'socialist' moniker, please advise - otherwise - good bye.
 
OpportunityCost said:
When Obama appears on a Fox Q & A and Fox gets to set the parameters for the audience makeup you can cry. Further note: Obama had trouble filling the seats as well, hows that enthusiasm gap problem going?
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Sorry but that would not be an equivalent action. To be the same thing that Romney pulled, the Obama campaign would have to insist that they be allowed to bring in supporters for the audience.


Also, Univision is in Miami, you know, south Florida - the only part of the country where Republican Hispanics are a majority.
 
Rokkitsci said:
I checked your link and it wouldn't load. I have heard nothing of Romney using a DEM technique of busing in paid supporters. If he did, I will be surprise and will not approve.

I also have a hard time discussing anything with someone who claims to be a socialist. If you are really a socialist you would admire the busing of people around for political effect - they invented the idea.

So - are you really a socialist? I am going to assume you are, since you claim to be, and will therefore ignore anything you post in the future. A minute spent discussing anything with a dedicated socialist is a minute wasted.

If you have any qualifications for your 'socialist' moniker, please advise - otherwise - good bye.
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Check your connections because I just clicked the link and it did work.

So you have a "hard time discussing anything with someone who claims to be a socialist". Well, that is one way to protect tightly-held, even if fallacious, beliefs. If you are unable to defend you beliefs in debate with those who believe otherwise, it would seem to indicate a lack of faith in your own thoughts and/or the 'facts' required to support said beliefs and ideology.
 
Somerville said:
Check your connections because I just clicked the link and it did work.

So you have a "hard time discussing anything with someone who claims to be a socialist". Well, that is one way to protect tightly-held, even if fallacious, beliefs. If you are unable to defend you beliefs in debate with those who believe otherwise, it would seem to indicate a lack of faith in your own thoughts and/or the 'facts' required to support said beliefs and ideology.
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Nope - if you live in the USA and are a socialist, then you are so far out on the radical fringe that you are not worthy of my time. I am not interested in trying to convince you you are wrong. It would take decades, and I only have a few years left - not one moment of that will be used in debating a socialist.

See ya
 
Rokkitsci said:
Nope - if you live in the USA and are a socialist, then you are so far out on the radical fringe that you are not worthy of my time. I am not interested in trying to convince you you are wrong. It would take decades, and I only have a few years left - not one moment of that will be used in debating a socialist.

See ya
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Looks like another 'conservative' unable to defend personal beliefs. I am familiar with Louisiana politics and understand that there will be a lot of personal support when you tell family and friends about some stupid socialist wacko that you 'shot down' online, but that don't make everything you hold dear to be true.

Please note that I'm not attacking everything you believe, just some things that you believe that I have found to be false.
 
Rokkitsci said:
Nope - if you live in the USA and are a socialist, then you are so far out on the radical fringe that you are not worthy of my time. I am not interested in trying to convince you you are wrong. It would take decades, and I only have a few years left - not one moment of that will be used in debating a socialist.

See ya
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Then why in the hell join a form labeled 'Debate Politics'? Why not search for one labeled 'A Forum where Everybody Thinks Exactly Like Me'? Or stick to right wing sewer radio?

Louisiana does explain a lot, however.
 
I was able to get the link open. So...how much weight do you put behind an article that says the ones performance that was notably better "may have been an optical illusion"? Or an article that completely ignores the statement that neither candidate could fill their quota of tickets? And you DONT think the intro that was initially given was biased? As an INTRODUCTION having an announcer welcome Romney onto the stage by saying HE only offered 35 minutes, while OBAMA graciously offered a whole hour...that ISNT a biased introduction? Oh...and hey...lets TALK about the forum. How many questions were aimed to Obama about his failure to improve the economy or about how he explains to Hispanics how much better off they are, even though the unemployment in the hispnaic community is more than double the non-latino community, or that the education system routinely fails latinos. Ultimately...your own article stated "From Univision's perspective, Salinas said both candidates got a fair hearing in the end." Why...the even countered the 'rumor' that Romney was all fake and bake specifically for the performance.

I dont think Romney will win. I will not vote for him. But threads like this are laughable. So are the 'news' stories about where he buys his shirts, what color his socks are, and any and every other means and manner to avoid the ever climbing debt, annual deficits, failure to pass a budget, joke of a foreign policy, unemployment, failed green loans to people that just 'happened' to be big time campaign contributors, etc etc etc.
 
There was already a fail thread on this a few days ago

OP is a bit late and his premise is laughable
 
Wiggen said:
Then why in the hell join a form labeled 'Debate Politics'? Why not search for one labeled 'A Forum where Everybody Thinks Exactly Like Me'? Or stick to right wing sewer radio?

Louisiana does explain a lot, however.
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How I spend my time is my prerogative - I choose to not spend it with socialists. I don't intend to put in the effort required to change their minds and I know they have nothing to say that could possibly change mine. All that equals wasted time.

I suspect you would not spend time debating a KKKer, either. You might spend your time making fun of them for their stupidity, but not in vigorous debate in trying to change their minds. Nor would I = unless they indicated that they had some misgivings about their current stances.

Now, I am willing to debate a liberal as long as they stick to facts and logic. I just don't intend to waste any of my time with a dailyKos 'talking point of the day' unless the poster agrees to actually debate the logic of it.

Liberalism is a misnomer these days anyway. I am a true liberal, a progressive, in the real sense of the words. Today's liberals are too much like left wing radicals for my taste, but I will engage them if the want honest debate.

My conservatism stems from my faith in the constitution as written and commonly understood at the time of adoption. I am more than willing to change the constitution to 'keep up with the times' by employing the means it provides = the amendment process.

I am totally opposed to "interpreting" the basic tenets of the constitution to imply the opposite of what they meant or to 'find' things in there that just are not there.

Modern day 'liberals' and 'progressives' see the constitution as a barrier to what they want to do, and use the judiciary to rewrite it for their convenience.
 
if this is true, than it another horrible rotten tactic by the Romney campaign.
 
Somerville said:
Sorry but that would not be an equivalent action. To be the same thing that Romney pulled, the Obama campaign would have to insist that they be allowed to bring in supporters for the audience.


Also, Univision is in Miami, you know, south Florida - the only part of the country where Republican Hispanics are a majority.
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I see you ignored that a major portion of the audience was to be hispanic students, and that even Obama wasnt able to get the seats filled. I would say that the Fox analogy was apt considering the campus requirements on WHO attended.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I see you ignored that a major portion of the audience was to be hispanic students, and that even Obama wasnt able to get the seats filled. I would say that the Fox analogy was apt considering the campus requirements on WHO attended.
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IF Univision had been able to enforce the requirement about "students only" - THEN it might be analogous to the President appearing at a FauxNews sponsored get together. - As the Romney campaign insisted on bringing in partisan supporters, then your attempt to equate two unlike events is a FAIL
 
Rokkitsci said:
Nope - if you live in the USA and are a socialist, then you are so far out on the radical fringe that you are not worthy of my time. I am not interested in trying to convince you you are wrong. It would take decades, and I only have a few years left - not one moment of that will be used in debating a socialist.

See ya
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Yet here you are having made multiple posts to him in this thread alone. Go figure.
 
poweRob said:
You tell us...


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God, if you could pretend to have some sort of judgement rather than partisan kneejerk crapola, I could begin to take you seriously.

That site is totally left partisan but even they had to admit he was at an exclusive fundraiser, but not you....you had to try to bull**** your way to a false narrative. If credibility were travel miles, you couldnt make it to the front door.
 
Somerville said:
IF Univision had been able to enforce the requirement about "students only" - THEN it might be analogous to the President appearing at a FauxNews sponsored get together. - As the Romney campaign insisted on bringing in partisan supporters, then your attempt to equate two unlike events is a FAIL
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Still ignoring that Obama had attendance issues as well, I see. Keep pushin that :donkeyfla :spin:
 
OpportunityCost said:
God, if you could pretend to have some sort of judgement rather than partisan kneejerk crapola, I could begin to take you seriously.

That site is totally left partisan but even they had to admit he was at an exclusive fundraiser, but not you....you had to try to bull**** your way to a false narrative. If credibility were travel miles, you couldnt make it to the front door.
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Maybe you didn't read the whole article as it is on a "totally left partisan" website and therefore your brain might be contaminated if you were to actually look at all of the words, however . . . .
The right wing talking point that nobody is showing up for Obama events is a part of their broader election strategy. The whole point is to make Obama appear to be as unpopular as Romney. Everyone knows Mitt Romney can’t draw a crowd. Romney was speaking to crowds in the hundreds when he was campaigning for the nomination, and he is still speaking to hundreds of supporters as the Republican nominee. The Romney campaign has been holding their events in smaller and smaller venues in order to create the appearance of a packed house. The truth is that the Romney campaign has tried everything including giving things away in order to entice people to see him speak.
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Somerville said:
and you are ignoring the fact that if Romney had not bussed in supporters, he would have had "attendance issues" as well. :spin:
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Im NOT ignoring it. Im admitting it. You seem to be unable to see both sides had attendance issues. Romney's would be more pronounced because the target audience was the student body at the campus---who tend to be overwhelmingly liberal. Which makes it strange that Obama would have attendance issues as well. I would EXPECT that from the Romney camp, not both.
 
Somerville said:
Maybe you didn't read the whole article as it is on a "totally left partisan" website and therefore your brain might be contaminated if you were to actually look at all of the words, however . . . .
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I know this is hard for you to get----IT'S A FUND RAISER---You wont have thousands showing up to donate money in a given area.

Stop posting stupid things.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I know this is hard for you to get----IT'S A FUND RAISER---You wont have thousands showing up to donate money in a given area.

Stop posting stupid things.
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You rather apparently didn't bother to read the paragraph that I quoted from the original post, a paragraph which made claims about the lack of numbers at ALL Romney events and that the Romney campaign is using smaller venues so as to make it look like there is a large crowd even when the numbers are dropping. Yes, the comparison at the beginning of the linked article is politically biased when it compares a open meeting with a closed one requiring a substantial donation to enter but that was not the point I tried to make in my earlier post.


Read your opponents' posts carefully and then maybe you won't be posting "stupid things" in the future.
 
Somerville said:
You rather apparently didn't bother to read the paragraph that I quoted from the original post, a paragraph which made claims about the lack of numbers at ALL Romney events and that the Romney campaign is using smaller venues so as to make it look like there is a large crowd even when the numbers are dropping. Yes, the comparison at the beginning of the linked article is politically biased when it compares a open meeting with a closed one requiring a substantial donation to enter but that was not the point I tried to make in my earlier post.


Read your opponents' posts carefully and then maybe you won't be posting "stupid things" in the future.
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Yes, well researched Im sure. They have no sources, they have a political agenda, they are worthless as an information source. GTFO with the obviously biased, stupid sources. If they had something to go on like actual ****ing numbers it would be convincing but bull****, spin and opinion isnt an effective cite. Go back to the drawing board.
 
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