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Romney: being called the "grandfather of Obamacare" is a "compliment"

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I always suspected that Romney might try to run to Obama's Left if it looked like he were down in the polls.

 
Einzige said:
I always suspected that Romney might try to run to Obama's Left if it looked like he were down in the polls.

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Does the guy who created RomneyCare deserve to be the next president of the United States?

Does the guy who created ObamaCare deserve a second term?

How did we get here? Why is it down to these two?
 
johnny_rebson said:
How did we get here? Why is it down to these two?
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The conservatives in the Republican Party had the bright idea to throw their lot in with an unelectable lunatic like Rick Santorum, thus justifying nominating Romney in the eyes of every Republican who wasn't insane.
 
Also: this doesn't jive with the idea that Romney's "turning right". I don't understand what he's doing.
 
If I were the GOP, I would focus all my money and energy on maintaining the house and maybe gaining a few seats in the Senate. And then use the next 4 years to find viable candidates that can challenge Hilary Clinton in 4 years time. If the GOP is lucky then they might be able to gain the Senate in 2 years time.. but the longer they keep backing this fool and keep going far right, the bigger the chance of them loosing the Senate and the House.
 
Einzige said:
I always suspected that Romney might try to run to Obama's Left if it looked like he were down in the polls.

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Jebus, maybe the Santorum supporters were right. He's turning out to be a horribly bad candidate.

The guy who once said that repealing Obamacare was his first priority is now bragging about inventing it. WTF?
 
rocket88 said:
Jebus, maybe the Santorum supporters were right. He's turning out to be a horribly bad candidate.

The guy who once said that repealing Obamacare was his first priority is now bragging about inventing it. WTF?
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If Obama were particularly vicious or clever, he could use this to permanently shift the health-care debate left by basically forcing Obamacare onto the Republican platform, by making Romney defend it.
 
Romney has since said this was sarcasm. He was supposedly slamming Obamacare during that discussion, but I didn't really care enough to watch it.
 
Einzige said:
The conservatives in the Republican Party had the bright idea to throw their lot in with an unelectable lunatic like Rick Santorum, thus justifying nominating Romney in the eyes of every Republican who wasn't insane.
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Just curious, and not trying to derail the thread, but could you explain why you think that which I bolded?
 
j-mac said:
Just curious, and not trying to derail the thread, but could you explain why you think that which I bolded?
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You couldn't get more removed from the Enlightenment-rationalist paradigms of the Framers than Santorum's Natural Law Catholicism. It's just utterly alien in an American ideological context; there is no precedent for appealing to Augustinian morality in deciding on the solutions to our problems. Of course he came off as insane, because fundamentalist Catholics are insane in a way that fundamentalist Christians of other denominations are not.
 
Einzige said:
You couldn't get more removed from the Enlightenment-rationalist paradigms of the Framers than Santorum's Natural Law Catholicism. It's just utterly alien in an American ideological context; there is no precedent for appealing to Augustinian morality in deciding on the solutions to our problems. Of course he came off as insane, because fundamentalist Catholics are insane in a way that fundamentalist Christians of other denominations are not.
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Why? And keep it simple please, I am a simple guy...
 
j-mac said:
Why? And keep it simple please, I am a simple guy...
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Let me put it to you like this.

Thomas Jefferson said:
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
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While I don't think Jefferson, or most of the other Founders, were quite as virulently anti-clerical as they're sometimes made out to be, there's basically no relationship at all between Santorum's moral center (medieval Catholic theology) and Jeffersonian-style rationalism.
 
that's somewhat bizarre.
 
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