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This just in: Romney tells the truth; People don't like it...

He also believes that he is entitled to the POTUS office.

Normally I would have skipped responding to a post such as yours, but this one statement really made me laugh.

So, tell me, if he believes he's entitled to the POTUS office, why does he bother to campaign? Why wait for a vote? Why doesn't he just walk up to the White House and move in?

I know these questions of mine are stupid, but they are the results of your stupid statement.
 
If Romney is so correct about his statements, then he would have made them in public, not in a closed door private fundraiser.

He is incapable of running a national campaign.

He also believes that he is entitled to the POTUS office.

Hopefully, he will never win.

The American people hopefully will see past his BS.

I agree. The thing is, we all depend on government. The rich are not excluded. I know plenty of rich people that take no responsibility for their lives or their actions. Many rich can afford people to fix their mistakes for them. THey can afford better atorneys, house keepers, and so on. They depend on the government just as much as anyone does. In fact, because they pay taxes, they expect favor from the government that the rest of us don't get. I would say the majority of the uber wealthy feel more entitled than the poor do. They give politicians a lot of money and expect laws to be past to benefit their businesses which makes them wealthier. They pay for lobbiest to push their own agendas.
 
I agree. The thing is, we all depend on government. The rich are not excluded.
That's more than a bit screwy. I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you that government is almost entirely dependent on the rich.
 
Romney is right.

The people that think they're entitled to handouts will vote for Obama no matter what.

I don't see anything wrong with him saying that.

The problem is Romney is quite silent on the handouts that corporations feel they are entitled to by the government.
 
The problem is Romney is quite silent on the handouts that corporations feel they are entitled to by the government.

Actually he isn't silent on that issue...if by handouts, you mean the tax exemptions and credits that corporations receive. He has stated that he wants to eliminate these things and reduce the corporate income tax. Among other things, he believes this action would induce corporations to bring their work back to the U.S. because they will have a better business climate than they do now.

Now. If the term "handouts" means something else to you, then please define the word.
 
As Jon Stewart so eloquently summed it up... "Mitt Romney has the charisma of an On Star Operator".

Yawn, the rantings of a smarmy leftwing twit

BFD. Of course when one gets aroused thinking of Obama as Stewart does, his partisanship is to be expected
 
The problem is Romney is quite silent on the handouts that corporations feel they are entitled to by the government.

what handouts are those? bargains between governments and corporations designed to benefit both sides?
 
That's more than a bit screwy. I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you that government is almost entirely dependent on the rich.

No, the government isn't almost entirely dependent on the rich. It depends on all of us, rich and poor alike. Who do you think defends our nation? The rich? Please, this worship of the wealthy class from the right is getting a bit rediculous.
 
No, the government isn't almost entirely dependent on the rich. It depends on all of us, rich and poor alike. Who do you think defends our nation? The rich? Please, this worship of the wealthy class from the right is getting a bit rediculous.
No one is here to teach you economics or finance. As you (hopefully) become more sophisticated and less doctrinaire, you will be able to sort these things out for yourself.
 
No one is here to teach you economics or finance. As you (hopefully) become more sophisticated and less doctrinaire, you will be able to sort these things out for yourself.

I am not here to learn economics or finance from people who are self proclaimed experts. I doubt seriously that you have anything to teach me on the issues.
 
I am not here to learn economics or finance from people who are self proclaimed experts. I doubt seriously that you have anything to teach me on the issues.
Obviously I could, but I am not so inclined. There are others whose responsibility that is, and they have thus far failed.
 
Obviously I could, but I am not so inclined. There are others whose responsibility that is, and they have thus far failed.

You flatter yourself way too much. I am not impressed.
 
what handouts are those? bargains between governments and corporations designed to benefit both sides?

Which is politicians doling out taxpayer money to businesses in return for campaign contributions since those businesses need crony capitalism to survive since they can't last with competition from the free market.
 
Actually he isn't silent on that issue...if by handouts, you mean the tax exemptions and credits that corporations receive. He has stated that he wants to eliminate these things and reduce the corporate income tax. Among other things, he believes this action would induce corporations to bring their work back to the U.S. because they will have a better business climate than they do now.

Now. If the term "handouts" means something else to you, then please define the word.

Which is just another campaign promise a Presidential candidate makes that he never has to fulfill considering Congress will never allow such a thing because Representatives and Senators are the one who benefit.
 
Which is just another campaign promise a Presidential candidate makes that he never has to fulfill considering Congress will never allow such a thing because Representatives and Senators are the one who benefit.

Okay...

So, you are admitting that you were wrong about him being silent?
 
Mitt Romney is right - we need to revise the tax code and the entitlement programs, not only can we not afford to, but they're creating major problems with government dependence... Oh, but for some reason we can't offend the poor those precious creatures who are all innocent hard working Americans that did what they were supposed to in school and would never break the law or continually repeat negative behaviors....

I find it disturbing that you call the poor "creatures," as if they are sub-human. There are many reasons to why poor people are poor. It is quite true that many do not go to school, they do break the law and repeat negative behaviors. However, the poor are often screwed over by the very system that you say supports them. Just look at the false "War On Drugs."

Mitt Romney is right - we need to worry that the ethnic groups will end up voting as ethnic groups, rather than to vote as individuals based on principals that they would like to see followed... Most Hispanics agree in principal on most issues that Republicans do, yet for the reason of conformity and popularity they're following the liberal agenda... This would be a travesty if yet another ethnic group gets nearly entirely sucked into a single party as their... Oh, but for some reason its considered okay to reach out to them and ask them how issues effect these ethnic groups as a whole... but not refer to them as members of an ethnic group, and measure how that ethnic group reacts...

I don't think we have to worry about ethnic groups voting as ethnic groups unless you think that they just a monolith.

Mitt Romney is right - to call out the president for his negligence in protecting American embassies on the anniversary of 9/11, and for his weak apologetic foreign policy positions, which lead to the appearance of weakness that encourages attacks, or leads us into friendships with foreign dignitaries who don't have our best interests in mind... Oh, but the liberal media whined about it being too soon, or Obama not saying the actual words "I apologize"... way to get the large picture.... You still didn't get it when the violence spread to 20 other countries...

I have yet to see any evidence where Obama's "apologetic foreign policy" has led to people attacking us. There is a difference between apologizing and humility. I see that his foreign policy is very war-like and aggressive. (See: Yemen drone strikes, war in Libya, war in Syria)



Nearly 50% of the people in this country do not pay taxes... 50% of earners of taxable income pay an effective tax rate of 2.5%... That's an astonishing amount...

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Actually, 47% of American's don't pay FIT because they are too poor to do so. (Census data: Half of U.S. poor or low income - CBS News) The sales tax is also quite regressive. (Characteristics of a Regressive Tax | Chron.com)
 
I wonder how much IndepCentristMA gets paid by the GOP to pretend he's a independent centrist. I mean, even if he isn't - his devotion to his farce is unquestionable.
 
Okay...

So, you are admitting that you were wrong about him being silent?

It would be inaccurate to say that he's been silent. He has said that he would eliminate loopholes. He just refuses to say WHICH loopholes he would eliminate. "See me after the election" is what he says. Is this how it would work in the private sector? Your asked in a job interview how you would turn the company around and you say, "hire me and you'll find out"? I don't think so.
 
I wonder how much IndepCentristMA gets paid by the GOP to pretend he's a independent centrist. I mean, even if he isn't - his devotion to his farce is unquestionable.

You think he's pretending to be an indepedent centrist? :shock:
 
You think he's pretending to be an indepedent centrist? :shock:

It's the subtle clues which lead me to believe he isn't.
 
It's the subtle clues which lead me to believe he isn't.

Oh, I know he isn't an idependent, or a centrist ... I was just surprised you thought he was even pretending. ;)
 
Oh, I know he isn't an idependent, or a centrist ... I was just surprised you thought he was even pretending. ;)

Hahahaha well played. Also, there are no subtle clues. He's been a full on GOP fan since the day he got here. I'm just shocked the usual suspects who have no problem calling dana out for his "liberalism", have no problem with this guy.
 
It would be inaccurate to say that he's been silent. He has said that he would eliminate loopholes. He just refuses to say WHICH loopholes he would eliminate. "See me after the election" is what he says. Is this how it would work in the private sector? Your asked in a job interview how you would turn the company around and you say, "hire me and you'll find out"? I don't think so.

Well...if the private sector company he were applying to had a three part decision-making set up, then yes...that would be reasonable. Of course he can't say WHICH loopholes would be eliminated. But he CAN provide a very positive direction for the other part to work towards.

That's what I see Romney doing here and it's fine with me.
 
Okay...

So, you are admitting that you were wrong about him being silent?

No.

I'm saying he's making a promise that he will never keep. And knows it.

Which is worse.
 
Well...if the private sector company he were applying to had a three part decision-making set up, then yes...that would be reasonable. Of course he can't say WHICH loopholes would be eliminated. But he CAN provide a very positive direction for the other part to work towards.

That's what I see Romney doing here and it's fine with me.

Indicating such a broad direction, without specifics, is meaningless. It's like saying, "I will make things better." "How?" "Hire me and you'll find out." "Sherry, please send in the next applicant."
 
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