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OBama jumps the shark on Egpyt.. gaffetastic..

Porchev said:
How so? Killing OBL? Being a submissive dog with many countries (except with England and Israel)? The unrest going on against the United States right now is not because of some Youtube video. It was planned and happened on Sept 11th because of the significance of that date.
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A submissive dog, eh? What exactly has the President done with regards to foreign policy which has made him a submissive dog?
 
Wiseone said:
So whats the gaffe? That Egypt isn't an ally of the United States? Do you think they are? Should Obama have said they are our best buddy in the world?
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I don't know,seems the NBC reporter in Egypt thinks this was a mistake....

 
Strucky said:
I don't know,seems the NBC reporter in Egypt thinks this was a mistake....

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So Egypt is an ally, Obama made a gaffe by saying it wasn't? I know you aren't Travis but that would contradict his own position on how Egypt is a run by a terrorist organization.
 
Einzige said:
Actually, his foreign policy 'successes' (by his own standard) lie in the continuation of the Bush II agenda of Middle Eastern democratization. I am absolutely perplexed by people who supported, say, the War in Iraq, or Bush's intervention in the Trans-Sahara, who get upset over Obama's assistance to the Libyan rebels or his support for the Egyptian Revolution. That was nothing more than a continuation of the neo-con line from the mid-2000s, and it's gone exactly as they wanted so far.

As for the rest ("being a submissive dog"), that's bull**** for the base. We're talking serious foreign policy here, not "how can we get these people riled up by posting a photo of Obama bowing to some principate?".
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...Ok, first I will admit, the "submissive dog" was probably a bit too much. I do have pet dogs though and the idea seemed clear to me, but I can easily see how that is more harsh that what it should have been. I retract that specific characterization. He did do somewhat of an apology tour when he first got into office though and all the bowing everywhere looked weak to me. I just don't see his big success at foreign policy at all.
 
Porchev said:
...Ok, first I will admit, the "submissive dog" was probably a bit too much. I do have pet dogs though and the idea seemed clear to me, but I can easily see how that is more harsh that what it should have been. I retract that specific characterization. He did do somewhat of an apology tour when he first got into office though and all the bowing everywhere looked weak to me. I just don't see his big success at foreign policy at all.
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1. I would have no problem with an actual apology tour, as I'm one of those rare breeds of voters who is an actual foreign policy conservative in the mold of, say, Robert Taft or Ron Paul. What Obama did was a half-hearted attempt to reconcile with countries that the Bush Administration alienated.

Militarism and hawkishness have no place in our society.

2. Did you support Bush's foreign policy of forced democratizations in the Middle East? If so, I can hardly see why that's okay, but Obama's policy of continued drone strikes and support for CIA-backed 'rebel' groups isn't.
 
Wiseone said:
So whats the gaffe? That Egypt isn't an ally of the United States? Do you think they are? Should Obama have said they are our best buddy in the world?
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This is a classic example of a "Washington Gaffe", where a politician slips and accidentally tells the truth.
 
Wiseone said:
So Egypt is an ally, Obama made a gaffe by saying it wasn't? I know you aren't Travis but that would contradict his own position on how Egypt is a run by a terrorist organization.
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Well I'm not speaking for Travis,but it was clearly a mistake for Obama to handle the whole ally thing the way he did.It makes him look indecisive and confused.
 
cpwill said:
This is a classic example of a "Washington Gaffe", where a politician slips and accidentally tells the truth.
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I'm sure you're aware that Egypt has been designated a "Major Non-NATO ally" for the purpose of things like weapons sales, although that doesn't imply a mutual defense agreement. You may be right and its a slip that Obama didn't intend to make, because it makes one wonder how he can say that with the non-NATO ally status in place, but I hope its actually a more calculated move to apply pressure to Egypt to put its own house in order if it wants to continue to work wit the US.
 
Travis007 said:
Obama is beyond an idiot...I guess he had to show Stupid Joe Biden "whos the real boss"

White House clarifies Obama

White House clarifies Obama’s statement that Egypt is not an ‘ally’
Posted By Josh Rogin Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 12:30 PM Share
President Barack Obama didn't intend to signal any change in the U.S.-Egypt relationship last night when he said Egypt is not an "ally," the White House told The Cable today.

In an interview with Telemundo Wednesday night, Obama said that the U.S. relationship with the new Egyptian government was a "work in progress," and emphasized that the United States is counting on the government of Egypt to better protect the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, which was attacked by protesters on Sept. 11.

"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," Obama said. "They're a new government that is trying to find its way. They were democratically elected. I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident..snip
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I am sorry you do not get the nuances of diplomacy. Certainly a difficult concept for a group of people that believes diplomacy is a type of tank. Perhaps you should think about what he is trying to do here. This is hardly a gaffe but very much a calculated statement.
 
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Einzige said:
1. I would have no problem with an actual apology tour, as I'm one of those rare breeds of voters who is an actual foreign policy conservative in the mold of, say, Robert Taft or Ron Paul. What Obama did was a half-hearted attempt to reconcile with countries that the Bush Administration alienated.

Militarism and hawkishness have no place in our society.

2. Did you support Bush's foreign policy of forced democratizations in the Middle East? If so, I can hardly see why that's okay, but Obama's policy of continued drone strikes and support for CIA-backed 'rebel' groups isn't.
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Obama is heavily influenced in foreign policy by a woman named Samantha Power who believes the best course for foreign policy is to basically cut away from supporting Israel. And I don't think that is the best course of action. As far as so called Bush's alienation of countries, Bush did the absolute right thing with Afghanistan, and Iraq was justified at the time and, in effect, backed by the UN and the U.S. House and Senate. However, it went somewhat south when--the Iraqi military mostly dispersed to fight a guerrilla war, WNDs were not found is significant amounts, and it dragged on a long time with mounting casualties over the years. Did I support it? Yes. And I participated in it.

As far as Obama's drone strikes and such...that does not add up to a successful foreign policy.
 
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Porchev said:
How so? Killing OBL? Being a submissive dog with many countries (except with England and Israel)? The unrest going on against the United States right now is not because of some Youtube video. It was planned and happened on Sept 11th because of the significance of that date.
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I think we are all forgetting Hillary Clinton, who's done a bang up job as Secretary of State. She should take a lot more credit than anyone else for mending fences.
 
I'd be fine with eliminating all support for what was Truman's - a Democrat's - and the United Nation's blunder in the first place. Israel is, basically, parasitical, a welfare State in every sense of the word. And note that Obama has done nothing at all other than pay lip-service to the idea of detaching it from our tit.

And, yeah, Obama's been much more hawkish than you neo-cons have given him credit for, to our detriment.
 
Einzige said:
I get the distinct impression that Travis doesn't actually know, or care, about Egypt's diplomatic standing.
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I dont care... nor does your statement make sense...

you tell me whats Egypts diplomatic standing> to who... I know its
standing is good in Iran today
 
Einzige said:
I'd be fine with eliminating all support for what was Truman's - a Democrat's - and the United Nation's blunder in the first place. Israel is, basically, parasitical, a welfare State in every sense of the word. And note that Obama has done nothing at all other than pay lip-service to the idea of detaching it from our tit.

And, yeah, Obama's been much more hawkish than you neo-cons have given him credit for, to our detriment.
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Hawkish to who? how is it to our detriment?
 
Porchev said:
Obama is heavily influenced in foreign policy by a woman named Samantha Power who believes the best course for foreign policy is to basically cut away from supporting Israel. And I don't think that is the best course of action. As far as so called Bush's alienation of countries, Bush did the absolute right thing with Afghanistan, and Iraq was justified at the time and, in effect, backed by the UN and the U.S. House and Senate. However, it went somewhat south when--the Iraqi military mostly dispersed to fight a guerrilla war, WNDs were not found is significant amounts, and it dragged on a long time with mounting casualties over the years. Did I support it? Yes. And I participated in it.



As far as Obama's drone strikes and such...that does not add up to a successful foreign policy.
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Thank You... you are so correct...Samantha Powers is a known anti-Israel moron... she is as vacant as it gets.. Hillary is garbage..
 
upsideguy said:
I am sorry you do not get the nuances of diplomacy. Certainly a difficult concept for a group of people that believes diplomacy is a type of tank. Perhaps you should think about what he is trying to do here. This is hardly a gaffe but very much a calculated statement.
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Yea sure... tell yourself that...

Diplomacy? you gotta be joking.. Russia is laughing at us.. Obama said he will cave more soon to Putin. Iran is out of control.. and unless you were to surrender to Sharia , who cares... Poland learned to not trust Obamas word.. we are losing allies by the week
 
Travis007 said:
I dont care... nor does your statement make sense...

you tell me whats Egypts diplomatic standing> to who... I know its
standing is good in Iran today
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Source? Ya right like you have one. Just tell me I dont make no sense and troll on.
 
avusbluem5 said:
You guys fail so hard...
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One minute you criticize Obama for "apologizing" and "Sympathizing", now when Obama is forceful with Egypt's government, you guys criticize him for that. It is Egypt's govt. that is responsible for external security for foreign embassies in their country.

It's called diplomacy... Without actually saying it overtly, that "not our ally, not our enemy" line, gave Egypt notice. "Get your **** in order, or we will do it for you."
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the only force Obama used in Egypt was to remove and ally and replace with a terrorist group.....

but you post funny pictures if you want
 
Wiseone said:
Source? Ya right like you have one. Just tell me I dont make no sense and troll on.
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again.. explain Egypts dimplomatic standing and to who, the UN, Belgium ?who? like I said its standing is good in Iran.. you do know Iran has been in contact wth the MB.. as they are Hamas ... Ajad has been in contact with Morsy...Iranian navy has been granted access to the suez
 
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Travis007 said:
the only force Obama used in Egypt was to remove and ally and replace with a terrorist group.....

but you post funny pictures if you want
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Dude you started this topic complaining that Obama had said Egypt wasn't our ally, now you are saying they are run by a terrorist group. Did you want Obama to say we are allied with a terrorist group? Christ I wish we had stricter standards for posters on this forum.
 
Travis007 said:
again.. expalin Egypts dimplomatic standing and to whom? like I said its standing is good in Iran.. you do know Iran has been in contact wth the MB.. as they are Hamas ... Ajad ahs been in contact with Morsy...
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Show me a source. SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOUUUUUUUURRRRRCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEE
 
Wiseone said:
Dude you started this topic complaining that Obama had said Egypt wasn't our ally, now you are saying they are run by a terrorist group. Did you want Obama to say we are allied with a terrorist group? Christ I wish we had stricter standards for posters on this forum.
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Im pointing out the gaffe..Egyot cant be both and then give them 1.5 billion dollars
 
Wiseone said:
Show me a source. SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOUUUUUUUURRRRRCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEE
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This common news... but I will if you are doubting me..Im more amazed you come in doubting me.. its common to do your research before attacking the person and doubting them...
 
Travis007 said:
This common news... but I will if you are doubting me..Im more amazed you come in doubting me.. its common to do your research before attacking the person and doubting them...
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You're honestly amazed that people doubt your claims, holy **** that is rich man.

But again you made a claim you have to back it up, so show me the source
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Soooource!
 
Wiseone said:
Show me a source. SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOUUUUUUUURRRRRCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEE
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Visit by Egypt’s Morsi to Iran reflects foreign policy shift - The Washington Post

CAIRO — A decision by Egypt’s new president to travel to Tehran for a summit of the Non-Aligned Movement this week reflects a major foreign policy shift for the Arab world’s most populous nation, after decades of subservience to Washington.

The visit by President Mohamed Morsi to Iran will be the first by an Egyptian leader since the nations broke off diplomatic relations in the 1980s after Egypt’s recognition of Israel. As the host nation, Iran is widely expected to use the gathering to strengthen tepid ties among the 120 countries set to attend the summit, and to decry what Tehran has portrayed as a heavy-handed and unfair crusade by the West to isolate the Islamic republic over its controversial nuclear program.
 
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