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Figures: CNN Poll Fabricated. Romney Actually Up By 8 Points

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Mitt Romney would lead eight in unskewed data from newest CNN/ORC poll - Arlington Conservative | Examiner.com

The latest CNN/ORC poll released today shows a wider lead for President Obama than the previous CNN/ORC poll but it is doubly skewed. It massively under-samples independents while it also over-samples Democratic voters. The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll official reports Obama at 52 to percent and Mitt Romney at 46 percent. Unskewed, the data reveals a 53 percent to 45 percent lead for Romney.

This new CNN/ORC survey, unlike many other analyzed, not only over-samples Democratic voters, but also massively under-samples independent voters, to produce a result more favorable to Barack Obama. This survey's sample includes 397 registered Republicans and 441 registered Democrats. But the survey included a total of 822 registered voters, leaving only 37 independent voters at most. The survey clearly under-sampled independent and Republican voters.
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They under sampled Independents by 25% and over sampled Democrats by 8%

Fail
 
So a right winger posts on a blog site and suddenly it is factual?
 
And have you read the actual poll.. because the guy who wrote the article CLEARLY has not.
 
apdst said:
in 2008, CNN ranked number 8 on the list of political polls for accuracy.

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate? | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

It's not much of a stretch to suggest they're fudging the numbers.
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Dude....

The guy who wrote the article did not even read the poll.. else he would have read on page 1, the first 5 words....

Interviews with 1,022 adult Americans
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Alone based on this, the writer in the article posted by the OP... has a less than good credibility.

The numbers which the guy who wrote in the article, and based his whole attack on... are numbers for individual questions, where they ONLY ask people who would vote for either Romney or Obama and they dont have to be the same as the original 1022.

And frankly... go after CNN, but the GOP's favourite in Rasmussen says the the same? Talk about made up outrage...
 
Bronson said:
Mitt Romney would lead eight in unskewed data from newest CNN/ORC poll - Arlington Conservative | Examiner.com



They under sampled Independents by 25% and over sampled Democrats by 8%

Fail
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Yes, everybody is wrong, Rasmussen is wrong and Gallup is wrong. There is only 1 poll that is right, the one where the actual election takes place. Only problem is that the republicans are trying to keep as much people from voting (especially Obama voters) in order to try and steal this election.
 
Oh they'll believe anything. They think John McCain is the current president of the United States.

I normally try to post intelligent comments but this people posting WAY bias BS and citing it as if it were remotely credible is getting very annoying.

Forget the polling Romney's so far behind he might as well resign and pocket his campaign money like he does with everything else.

If he thinks he's going to out debate Obama with his false logic on economic polices he's more stupid than I thought.
 
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Peter King said:
Yes, everybody is wrong, Rasmussen is wrong and Gallup is wrong. There is only 1 poll that is right, the one where the actual election takes place. Only problem is that the republicans are trying to keep as much people from voting (especially Obama voters) in order to try and steal this election.
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This assertion is so far from the truth - and it is KNOWINGLY false by everyone who utters it - that it is completely reasonable to call it a lie and to call anyone making the assertion a bald-faced liar.

People making this claim are dishonest to the core and unworthy of civil debate.

My job here is done.
 
shiang said:
Oh they'll believe anything. They think John McCain is the current president of the United States.

I normally try to post intelligent comments but this people posting WAY bias BS and citing it as if it were remotely credible is getting very annoying.
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Obviously you were not trying very hard this time.

Completely vapid post. Who do you think 'thinks McCain is President?" - I have never heard such an ignorant remark.

Everyone knows Obama is president - he reminds us often that he is.

Anyone with a brain also knows that he has been a disaster - unless you think the USA should become more like a balkanized european social experiment.
 
A lie is such an understatement, it's like they live in some delusional alter universe.
 
Rokkitsci said:
This assertion is so far from the truth - and it is KNOWINGLY false by everyone who utters it - that it is completely reasonable to call it a lie and to call anyone making the assertion a bald-faced liar.

People making this claim are dishonest to the core and unworthy of civil debate.

My job here is done.
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So they are not doing their absolute best to keep the democratic vote down by purging voters and wanting voter id laws to help Romney win?

You must be looking at the world through republi-goggles.



So when Turzai said this, he was not talking about the presidential election? Yeah right, try and fool some other people with your republi-nonsense.
 
Peter King said:
Yes, everybody is wrong, Rasmussen is wrong and Gallup is wrong. There is only 1 poll that is right, the one where the actual election takes place. Only problem is that the republicans are trying to keep as much people from voting (especially Obama voters) in order to try and steal this election.
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Can you name even one single eligible person that Republlicans are trying to keep from voting?

Or are you just lying you f'n ass off?
 
You know I just realized this guy is listed as an "educator" no wonder why we'r practically dead last in math and science.
 
Muhammed said:
Can you name even one single eligible person that Republlicans are trying to keep from voting?

Or are you just lying you f'n ass off?
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I do not know how thick your republi-goggles are, I would assume some what like this

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but you must have missed/ignored my last post in which the following video was:



Do you think voter ID laws are there to encourage people to vote? No, they are there to stop as many low income voters (read democrats) as possible.

Republicans lose ballot lawsuits as swing-state rulings loom | CharlotteObserver.com

Texas
 
Bronson said:
Mitt Romney would lead eight in unskewed data from newest CNN/ORC poll - Arlington Conservative | Examiner.com



They under sampled Independents by 25% and over sampled Democrats by 8%

Fail
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So in other words, Bron is saying:

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megaprogman said:
So in other words, Bron is saying:
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Actually this appears to be more a question of math.

If Obama is winning 96% of Democrats
Romney is winning 97% of Republicans
And Romney is also up 14 points among Independents


Then the same poll that records these things giving an 8-point net lead to Obama must significantly overcount Democrats relative to the two other groups.
 
cpwill said:
Actually this appears to be more a question of math.

If Obama is winning 96% of Democrats
Romney is winning 97% of Republicans
And Romney is also up 14 points among Independents


Then the same poll that records these things giving an 8-point net lead to Obama must significantly overcount Democrats relative to the two other groups.
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If there's one thing that I've learned, it's that every poll is just that much different. The OP fails because the basic point was "My favorite righty blog says CNN is full of crap. Therefore, CNN is full of crap." I'll bet I can go find a lefty blog that hails this poll as being the most accurate poll in the history of polling. It'll be just as accurate.
 
PeteEU said:
And have you read the actual poll.. because the guy who wrote the article CLEARLY has not.
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I read the poll and looked at the polling data. 441 registered democrats to 397 registered republicans. With a margin of error as high as 5%...the poll is in a word...useless.

Thats OK though...ALL polling data is skewed. Time of day, those willing to respond, area code of potential voters, location of polls...it can all be used to manipulate results, the same as the questions being asked. The only 'poll' that will matter is the one in November. The stat I find most interesting is the support for 3rd party candidates. Essentially...it is pretty 'normal', maybe even a little bit high. I think that speaks loud and clear....when the whip comes down...all the party faithful will step right back in line where they belong.
 
Muhammed said:
Can you name even one single eligible person that Republlicans are trying to keep from voting?

Or are you just lying you f'n ass off?
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96 year old TN woman denied a "free" photo ID.

Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year old African-American woman from Tennessee. Born before women even had the right to vote, she's now been voting religiously for some 70 years without a problem, even before the Voting Rights of 1965 during the the Jim Crow-era in the South. At least until now.

The newly-elected GOP legislature in her state has rammed through a disenfranchising polling-place Photo ID restriction law which has now made it incredibly difficult for Cooper to cast her legal vote, just like some 500,000 legal and largely Democratic-leaning voters in Tennessee.

As Rachel Maddow details below, Cooper has never had a driver's license. So, at 96 years old, she worked to make her way to the DMV in advance of next year's election and presented her birth certificate and all sorts of other identifying documents in order to receive the supposedly "free" state ID she is legally entitled to receive under the new law so that she can once again cast a vote next year.

However, as Cooper has gotten married since birth and her name has thus changed in the bargain, she was denied the ID, as she was unable to find and produce her marriage certificate to prove that she was who she said she was.4
 
avusbluem5 said:
96 year old TN woman denied a "free" photo ID.

Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year old African-American woman from Tennessee. Born before women even had the right to vote, she's now been voting religiously for some 70 years without a problem, even before the Voting Rights of 1965 during the the Jim Crow-era in the South. At least until now.

The newly-elected GOP legislature in her state has rammed through a disenfranchising polling-place Photo ID restriction law which has now made it incredibly difficult for Cooper to cast her legal vote, just like some 500,000 legal and largely Democratic-leaning voters in Tennessee.

As Rachel Maddow details below, Cooper has never had a driver's license. So, at 96 years old, she worked to make her way to the DMV in advance of next year's election and presented her birth certificate and all sorts of other identifying documents in order to receive the supposedly "free" state ID she is legally entitled to receive under the new law so that she can once again cast a vote next year.

However, as Cooper has gotten married since birth and her name has thus changed in the bargain, she was denied the ID, as she was unable to find and produce her marriage certificate to prove that she was who she said she was.4
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First, you forgot the link so that is plagiarism...

Second, all clerks are Republicans?

Finally, you left out the best part:

The show did not mention the denouement to Cooper's story, when she obtained a voter ID and was able to cast her ballot in the state's presidential primary last March.
Chattanooga resident Dorothy Cooper unaware of being included in season finale of "The Newsroom" | Nooga.com
Dorothy Cooper, woman in photo ID snag, finally gets to vote | timesfreepress.com
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VanceMack said:
I read the poll and looked at the polling data. 441 registered democrats to 397 registered republicans. With a margin of error as high as 5%...the poll is in a word...useless.
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Are you sure you read it? Because that is not what it states. I would agree that they are not exactly clear on where they used what sample, and it takes a tad extra decoding to understand where what is used.. but the sampling was 1022 people asked on who they would vote for. Your numbers was for additional questions specific for Obama and Romney voters and from a different smaller sample.

Now is CNN correct in the lead or is CNN correct in A lead? Maybe not on the scope of the lead, but they are certainly correct on a lead.... even Rasmussen shows Obama ahead and they are biased towards the right as Nate Silver has stated many times.
 
Wiggen said:
Which hardly explains Gallup or Rasmussen (the Republican pollster) or the WSJ polls, does it? Is this the new Republican refrain - if our guy is behind, it must be the fault of those dirty, crooked pollsters?

Lots of luck with that one.
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And when he is in the lead in the very same polls then the results are gospel and cant be touched.. :)
 
PeteEU said:
Are you sure you read it? Because that is not what it states. I would agree that they are not exactly clear on where they used what sample, and it takes a tad extra decoding to understand where what is used.. but the sampling was 1022 people asked on who they would vote for. Your numbers was for additional questions specific for Obama and Romney voters and from a different smaller sample.

Now is CNN correct in the lead or is CNN correct in A lead? Maybe not on the scope of the lead, but they are certainly correct on a lead.... even Rasmussen shows Obama ahead and they are biased towards the right as Nate Silver has stated many times.
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Any time you ask ANY question with a biased sampling, your poll results will by nature BE biased. Yes. i read the poll. I read their 'independent' sampling. Their results are skewed. Whether that is intentional or accidental...meh...but it doesnt change the reality. If you ask 50 more of one group than the other the same questions you will get skewed results. Period.
 
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