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Ryan Says Obama Keeping Gas Prices High

Bronson said:
We're sitting on the largest supply of oil in the world and the president has continued to block efforts to expand domestic production. He promised in 2008 he would reduce energy dependence on foreign countries. He lied. Permits are down on Federal land by almost 40% and he has blocked all off shore drilling while giving billions of taxpayer money to countries like Brazil for energy production

And I haven't even started to talk about how Obama is destroying the coal industry yet.

All Bush had to do was threaten to expand American Production and gas went down to 1.79$ before he left office.

That's what Obama "inherited" from the EVIL BUSH. 1.79$ gallon gas. It's almost 4 dollars now. It that "Bush's fault" too?
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Gas prices have risen despite the fact that, according to the U.S. Energy Information Association, domestic crude oil production increased from 5.0 million barrels per day in 2008 to 5.5 million barrels per day in 2010. That same year marked the first time in 13 years the country imported less than 50 percent of the oil the United States consumed, a trend continued in 2011.
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Wow, Domestic Oil production is higher, and the US is importing less then 50% of the oil uses, for the first time in 13 years

When GWB left office the US economy was in the tank, full collapse, not it is not. Obama could get the price of gas to drop back to $1.79 if the economy collapsed again, do you really think that is a good idea. Stats and figures ae useless without context

Last but not least, Obama did not give the money to Brazil, it was a loan
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Wow, Domestic Oil production is higher, and the US is importing less then 50% of the oil uses, for the first time in 13 years

When GWB left office the US economy was in the tank, full collapse, not it is not. Obama could get the price of gas to drop back to $1.79 if the economy collapsed again, do you really think that is a good idea. Stats and figures ae useless without context

Last but not least, Obama did not give the money to Brazil, it was a loan
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Loans with what money? We're broke. Obama has borrowed and wasted 6 trillion in 4 years. Do you have any critical thinking skills?

Yea let us all know when they pay it back. it wasn't just Brazil he gave "loans" to either. Secondly how does giving them money help us? How does it create jobs genius? Go do a search for where oil companies are hiring. Hint: Brazil

Lastly, oil production is only up on PRIVATE LAND. This has been explained over and over and for some odd reason it doesn't get through the Obama worship that has clouded your brain.

Hastings Calls on Administration to Move Forward with Other Delayed and Canceled Offshore Lease Sales - House Committee on Natural Resources
 
Bronson said:
Loans with what money? We're broke. Obama has borrowed and wasted 6 trillion in 4 years. Do you have any critical thinking skills?

Yea let us all know when they pay it back. it wasn't just Brazil he gave "loans" to either. Secondly how does giving them money help us? How does it create jobs genius? Go do a search for where oil companies are hiring. Hint: Brazil

Lastly, oil production is only up on PRIVATE LAND. This has been explained over and over and for some odd reason it doesn't get through the Obama worship that has clouded your brain.

Hastings Calls on Administration to Move Forward with Other Delayed and Canceled Offshore Lease Sales - House Committee on Natural Resources
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So now it is that oil production on US federal government lands has not increased, way to back tract

As for the loan

On the afternoon of July 29, the Ex-Im Bank delegation met with Rio de Janeiro (state) Governor Sérgio Cabral Filho and Rio de Janeiro (city) Mayor Eduardo Paes.

"I chose Brazil as my first international destination for good reason: Brazil is a powerhouse among South American economies and offers tremendous opportunities for U.S. exporters in many sectors. I want Brazilians to know that Ex-Im Bank has the will and the capacity to finance their purchases of U.S. equipment, products and services," said Chairman Hochberg
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Ex-Im Bank is the official export-credit agency of the United States. The independent, self-sustaining federal agency, now in its 75th year, helps to create and maintain U.S. jobs by financing the sale of U.S. exports, primarily to emerging markets throughout the world, by providing loan guarantees, export-credit insurance and direct loans. For more information, visit Export-Import Bank of the United States.
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Ex-Im Bank News Release: Ex-Im Bank Chairman Fred Hochberg in Brazil To Promote Financing for Purchases of U.S. Exports

Wow

So no taxpayer funds were used, and the LOAN was to assist Brazil (Petrobras) purchase US made equipement (ie JOBS).
 
Bronson said:
Obama has borrowed and wasted 6 trillion in 4 years.
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Not letting facts get in the way huh? Sorry, i can help
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Fruityfact said:
Not letting facts get in the way huh? Sorry, i can help
CBPPpublicdebt.jpg
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I'll see your biased lying chart, and raise you two....

A chart created by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) has been circulating among liberal bloggers such as Ezra Klein, James Fallows, and Andrew Sullivan.
The chart, seen to the right, purports to show that the next decade’s deficits are entirely the result of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, wars, bailouts, recession, and stimulus.
Their methodology fails statistics 101.
Imagine a basketball team that loses 100-98. It would make no sense to cherry pick one single basket by their opponent and blame it for 100 percent of the loss – letting all other baskets scored off the hook. Yet that is essentially what CBPP is doing.
Under a current-policy budget baseline, Washington will collect $33 trillion in taxes and spend $46 trillion over the next decade. One could cherry-pick any $13 trillion in spending or tax policies and blame them for the entire budget deficit. CBPP chose to pick the tax cuts, wars, stimulus/bailouts, and economic downturn to equal the sum of the deficit. One could have just as easily singled out Social Security and Medicaid (combined cost: $13 trillion), Medicare and net interest costs ($13 trillion), or discretionary spending ($15 trillion) for blame. There is no mathematical reason to single out the programs CBPP selected while ignoring the other costs.

Liberal Think Tank Fails Statistics
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Your turn Mr. Undisclosed lean.....:roll:
 
Oh my god they actually do believe the Oval Office has a giant dial labeled "gas prices."
 
Deuce said:
Oh my god they actually do believe the Oval Office has a giant dial labeled "gas prices."
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Just taking Schumer's lead from 2008....Don't like it do ya?...
 
j-mac said:
Just taking Schumer's lead from 2008....Don't like it do ya?...
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No, I think anyone who thinks the President has control over gas prices should take an economics class or two. Maybe grade-school civics first.
 
Dragonfly said:
By all indications, this coming election is a crap shoot right now. Each candidate is pulling equal numbers in polls. Anything one could do to tip the scales in their favor would surely be a huge advantage. Right?

Imagine the scale tipping if gas prices across the country started dropping by 10 cents/gallon a week for the next 8-10 weeks.

Imagine if Obama could do that.

Wouldn't he waltz into another 4 years without much of a fight if he could actually do that?
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I wouldn't care if gas were FREE for the next 8-10 weeks. His policies suck, and free gas for a couple of months wouldn't change that.
 
j-mac said:
No, I am well aware of how google works, but you made the claim, so I wanted, and should expect for you to list the subsidies, and which ones you'd like to see curtailed, or changed, and in what way...

So, Which ones would you like to see eliminated, and which ones changed, and how?
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All of them gone.
 
Deuce said:
No, I think anyone who thinks the President has control over gas prices should take an economics class or two. Maybe grade-school civics first.
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Maybe not directly, like in so much as no particular act he signs controls the price at the pump. But, let's not fool ourselves that you didn't blame Bush for the rise in gas price of $1.45 in 2001, to $4.05 by June of 2008...We heard everything from conspiracies about collusion with 'Big Oil' to Bush and Cheney enriching themselves through their energy policy.

Now all the sudden with Obama in charge you want to throw up your hands and say none of the control you ascribed to a republican President is present during a democrat President....It's a dishonest argument and you know it.

Everything from instructions to his interior departments on where, and how many leases to drill are issued, to the Federal taxes and Energy policy of the United States is under the control and signing authority of the POTUS. Not to mention that this price spike is in the direct plan, and wish of those Demo's in congress, and the administration as articulated in his famous 'Energy prices would necessarily skyrocket' statement...So, split hairs if you wish, and rightly, or wrongly, Gas prices are a part of the Economy that the President in office gets blamed for when they are high at election time.
 
Verax said:
All of them gone.
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A good portion of those so called "subsidies" are tax incentives that every business in America gets to take, like depreciation on equipment...If you go after the Oil companies for this, would you see it gone for everyone? Because you can't target businesses you don't like with the Tax Code like a weapon...It is unconstitutional.
 
Dragonfly said:
Obama's 'Gone to Great Lengths' to Keep Gas Prices High, Ryan Says - Yahoo! News
Why?

Why would Obama do this? (not saying he is)

Wouldn't it be better for Obama to keep prices low?

Why would high gas prices help Obama?
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It looks to me not like he was claiming that was the goal (but hey, "under my plan energy prices would necessarily skyrocket"), but rather that he had gone to great lenghts to pursue particular policies knowing that they would make gas more expensive.
 
 
j-mac said:
A good portion of those so called "subsidies" are tax incentives that every business in America gets to take, like depreciation on equipment...If you go after the Oil companies for this, would you see it gone for everyone? Because you can't target businesses you don't like with the Tax Code like a weapon...It is unconstitutional.
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Subsidies, tax incentives, tax breaks, whatever you want to call it, should all be gone, for everybody, for everything, almost. The only time we should rig the market is when manipulating a sector is extremely important and the free market is not enough to push the industry in the direction it needs to go.

An example would be transitioning away from fossil fuels towards sustainable, green energy. Imo it is critically important to intervene and rig the market in the favor of alternative energy. Sadly we are doing the opposite, we have rigged the market in favor of fossil fuels. This will have terrible consequences in the not so distant future.
 
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