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Ask Osama Bin Laden if he is better off now than he was 4 years ago

Thank God. In the Depression it was over 25%. President Obama saved us from that.
You cant possibly believe that since the Great and Awful Bush Recession ended 4 months after Obama took office. Which means he had nothing to do with it.

Plus I heard a better slogan on he radio today:
GM is alive
Bin Laden is dead
and the economy is in a coma.
 
You cant possibly believe that since the Great and Awful Bush Recession ended 4 months after Obama took office. Which means he had nothing to do with it.

Plus I heard a better slogan on he radio today:
GM is alive
Bin Laden is dead
and the economy is in a coma.

nah - I like the other one better.
 
6 trillion spent and the Real Unemployment is 15%

Obama's Recovery was worse than the recession. He has had no accomplishments.

Of course, the $6T spent was the bar tab from the previous guy. Sorry Obama could not fix the mess left by Bush, especially with a do nothing congress that set by far set a record for filibuster, but he will have it done by 2016.
 
You cant possibly believe that since the Great and Awful Bush Recession ended 4 months after Obama took office. Which means he had nothing to do with it.

Plus I heard a better slogan on he radio today:
GM is alive
Bin Laden is dead
and the economy is in a coma.

If the economy were in a coma, the sophisticated money would not have moved the Dow from 6700 to nearly 14,000 in four years. The economy is in rehab.
 
“We left him a total mess. He hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in.”

Uhhh... no.

Talk about "out-of-chances."

It's gonna take a lot longer than 4 years before America forgets the GOP.

Its true he inherited a mess but he made it 10 times worse.........That is the difference my left wing friend........
 
Its true he inherited a mess but he made it 10 times worse.........That is the difference my left wing friend........

So you say he made it 10 times worse.

So if that's the case instead of losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month... which was the case when he first became president we'd be losing millions a month... but that's not happening so please explain how he has made things ten times worse.
 
So you say he made it 10 times worse.

So if that's the case instead of losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month... which was the case when he first became president we'd be losing millions a month... but that's not happening so please explain how he has made things ten times worse.

Your premise is a faulty one

You're assuming that it was 800K for many months in a row. That's false. There was one month (Jan 09) where there was almost 800K jobs lost. It's called a recession. There is an initial loss which is a spike, followed by a recovery as the market corrects itself. That hasn't happened because of Obama's failed economic policies. You only need to look at 4th year GDP growth comparisons Reagan VS Obama

Reagan 7.9% GDP and a million jobs created on one month his 4th year in office. LFPR increased dramatically.

Obama 1.7% GDP 96K jobs added as 300K+ drop out of the workforce his 4th year. We're not even keeping up with the rate of population growth under Obama. It's a joke.

Obama's "recovery" was worse than the recession. Unemployment went up after his Stimulus. Not down.

Obama also promised we'd be at 5.9% unemployment right now. We're not even close. Keep drinking the Hope and Change.

Back in August 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/business/economy/08jobs.html

Honestly if you don't understand how an economy functions maybe you shouldn't post about economics? Just sayin :roll:
 
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If you had only one bullet in your gun and you came upon Bin Laden and Saddam and can only get one shot off before their body guards started chasing you, which one would you shoot?


Go ask a NYC fireman who lost friends in the twin tower collapse who he would shoot.

Well first of all I would never limit myself to one bullet when going into a situation where both of those men were present......Second that this has zero do to with my point...Why does Obama deserve to get re-elected for killing Bin Laden but Bush is evil for taking Saddam out??
 
Ask Obama Bin Laden if he is better off now than he was 4 years ago ?

NO THANKS to that Swine Valerie Jarrett, or Obama....... but thanks to our Military, the brave hero Seals, in particular, Osama Bin Laden is munching the tumbleweed in Hades.

To elaborate:

That swine, Valerie Jarret,"Obama's brain", dissuaded Obama THRICE from offing that Isamofascist POS Osama Bin Laden .... Obama, stumbled on the right thing to do ....... compelled to do so because his procrastination was leaking out from those involved in tracking the IslamoFascist arsehole.....AND, not out of any sense of patriotism. But, because of the political reasons.
 
300K+ drop out of the workforce his 4th year. We're not even keeping up with the rate of population growth under Obama.

You have hit on the greatest deception of all the employment figures since Mr. Obama took office. None of the figures published take into account the people that have gotten so discouraged at their long time unemployment that they have literally dropped out of the workforce completely. In January 2012 the US set a new record with 1.2 million dropping out of the workforce completely. Yes, that was 1 month. With those numbers, the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7%

The numbers published by Mr. Obama's BLS are fraudulent at best. Recovery indeed.
 
Because he was a two bit dictator, largely beign to US interests and hardly worth the $1T+ it cost to take him out. Going after Hussein was amongst the dumbest things ever perpetrated by the US... that is why there was no "rejoincing".....

Bin Laden, if you recall, perpetrated a very damaging strike against US citizens, and succeeded in forever changing our way of life. Frankly, it may have been one of the most effective military attacks in world history. He killed our citizens, attacked out culture, comprised our way of life and embarrassed us (granted much of this was manifested by our over-reaction to the attack, but it was the result nonetheless). American justice demanded the Bin Laden be "serviced."

The problem is Bush and his neocons never really understood the distinction.

why didnt Clinton start the HSD after the first WTC attack?

Clinton is a moron
 
Ask Obama Bin Laden if he is better off now than he was 4 years ago ?

NO THANKS to that Swine Valerie Jarrett, or Obama....... but thanks to our Military, the brave hero Seals, in particular, Osama Bin Laden is munching the tumbleweed in Hades.

To elaborate:

That swine, Valerie Jarret,"Obama's brain", dissuaded Obama THRICE from offing that Isamofascist POS Osama Bin Laden .... Obama, stumbled on the right thing to do ....... compelled to do so because his procrastination was leaking out from those involved in tracking the IslamoFascist arsehole.....AND, not out of any sense of patriotism. But, because of the political reasons.

Minter is a writer of fiction...



Sense and nonsense about Obama and Osama - CNN.com

"Miniter can't even seem to get basic facts right about the bin Laden operation."

Miniter's account of the intelligence that led to bin Laden and the decision-making surrounding the operation that killed him is a pile of poppycock served up with heaps of hogwash.
 
You have hit on the greatest deception of all the employment figures since Mr. Obama took office. None of the figures published take into account the people that have gotten so discouraged at their long time unemployment that they have literally dropped out of the workforce completely. In January 2012 the US set a new record with 1.2 million dropping out of the workforce completely. Yes, that was 1 month. With those numbers, the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7%

The numbers published by Mr. Obama's BLS are fraudulent at best. Recovery indeed.

Fraudulent?

You sir, are an uninformed idiot. Let me educate you.

Unemployment rate is calculated by taking unemployed workers/Total Labor Force.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics also calculates six alternate measures of unemployment, U1 through U6, that measure different aspects of unemployment:[41]

U1:[42] Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.[1]
U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.

U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6: U5 + Part-time workers who want to work full-time, but cannot due to economic reasons (underemployment).

These alternate measures are available for any uninformed idiot to use. For example a more informed poster on this forum might select the U6 calculation, and use it to buttress his position, instead of posting meaningless gibberish. The base unemployment rate is most commonly referenced by the media, economists, and the president because the Labor department has been tracking that rate for over 60 years. That allows you to do useful things like graph long term trends or make meaningful comparisons to prior years. Like this....

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Fraudulent?

You sir, are an uninformed idiot. Let me educate you.

You know something. You are rude. Its a shame you were not taught better when you were a child. Although I have not been on this forum long, I have made a few posts. If you look at them you will note that I do not call anyone names. Although I disagree with our president, I do not refer to him in any manner that is disrespectful. I always refer to him as Mr. Obama. I was taught to be respectful of others no matter if I agree with them or not. I was taught not to ridicule people. I instilled those qualities in my children, too. Your opinion differs from mine and that is fine. You chose to rebut my statement. Certainly that is fine and is your prerogative. This is a public forum after all. What you do not have the prerogative to do is disrespect me.

When someone has to resort to name calling and the like, then they are indeed a shallow and narrow minded individual. But I should have expected as much. Ironically some people believe that political and religious views can only be discussed in an antagonistic manner. I must confess to some measure of disappointment at this forum that it allows such behavior. Perhaps my expectations were too high.
 
You know something. You are rude. Its a shame you were not taught better when you were a child. Although I have not been on this forum long, I have made a few posts. If you look at them you will note that I do not call anyone names. Although I disagree with our president, I do not refer to him in any manner that is disrespectful. I always refer to him as Mr. Obama. I was taught to be respectful of others no matter if I agree with them or not. I was taught not to ridicule people. I instilled those qualities in my children, too. Your opinion differs from mine and that is fine. You chose to rebut my statement. Certainly that is fine and is your prerogative. This is a public forum after all. What you do not have the prerogative to do is disrespect me.

When someone has to resort to name calling and the like, then they are indeed a shallow and narrow minded individual. But I should have expected as much. Ironically some people believe that political and religious views can only be discussed in an antagonistic manner. I must confess to some measure of disappointment at this forum that it allows such behavior. Perhaps my expectations were too high.

Welcome to the internet.
 
You know something. You are rude. Its a shame you were not taught better when you were a child. Although I have not been on this forum long, I have made a few posts. If you look at them you will note that I do not call anyone names. Although I disagree with our president, I do not refer to him in any manner that is disrespectful. I always refer to him as Mr. Obama. I was taught to be respectful of others no matter if I agree with them or not. I was taught not to ridicule people. I instilled those qualities in my children, too. Your opinion differs from mine and that is fine. You chose to rebut my statement. Certainly that is fine and is your prerogative. This is a public forum after all. What you do not have the prerogative to do is disrespect me.

When someone has to resort to name calling and the like, then they are indeed a shallow and narrow minded individual. But I should have expected as much. Ironically some people believe that political and religious views can only be discussed in an antagonistic manner. I must confess to some measure of disappointment at this forum that it allows such behavior. Perhaps my expectations were too high.

Whoa there Mr High and Mighty... You called the President of the United States a "liar" and a "Fraud", and you think putting "Mr" in front of his name makes that "respectful"?

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By the way, the "respectful" way to address a sitting President is... "President Obama", so even there you are wrong.

You called the President a liar and a fraud, you post a single labor number from January... If you choose to leave, your posts will not be missed. And while I've obviously hurt your feeling, I also informed people on how various labor numbers are calculated, and that they are available for all to review. I also informed people on why the base unemployment rate is the measure so frequently cited. So, my primary purpose was to inform... insulting you was a bonus. :)
 
And while I've obviously hurt your feeling, ... insulting you was a bonus. :)

Hurt my feelings? Hardly. I simply choose not engage in banter such as yours. You act as if insulting someone is a badge of honor. High and mighty you say? No, simply polite.
 
Ask Osama Bin Laden if he is better off now than he was 4 years ago. PRICELESS....

Best line I saw on the screen of the DNC from some twitter.

I know this one line may not merit a whole thread but since the Republicans are posting some desperate weak threads , why not.


I’m sure the millions upon million of un-employed …. The millions upon million that have lost there homes, the millions that have become homeless are really concerned if Bin Laden is better off or not.


But hey I can understand that liberals need to use that line …. Because they sure aren’t concerned with any of the people just mentioned. They have certainly done little or nothing to remedy those problems/
 
Hurt my feelings? Hardly. I simply choose not engage in banter such as yours. You act as if insulting someone is a badge of honor. High and mighty you say? No, simply polite.

Well, post more facts and less false innuendo next time, and I won't have to bring the...

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I’m sure the millions upon million of un-employed …. The millions upon million that have lost there homes, the millions that have become homeless are really concerned if Bin Laden is better off or not.


But hey I can understand that liberals need to use that line …. Because they sure aren’t concerned with any of the people just mentioned. They have certainly done little or nothing to remedy those problems/

So you think that the Navy Seals that risked their lives taking out that POS was a waste of time?
 
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