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Can you say.... October Suprise for Mittens?

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avusbluem5

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Personally I'd judge him more harshly if he actually kowtowed to criminals.
 
tessaesque said:
Personally I'd judge him more harshly if he actually kowtowed to criminals.
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Oh, Mitt could not pay the extortion, that would be political suicide. No, this is simply a "plausible explanation" for Mitt's returns going public, but not released by Mitt. It was foolish of Mitt to think he'd keep them a secret. Do you know how many people work for PriceWaterhouseCoopers? 170,000! Heck, there are probably 100 or more that worked on Mitts returns alone.
 
avusbluem5 said:
Oh, Mitt could not pay the extortion, that would be political suicide. No, this is simply a "plausible explanation" for Mitt's returns going public, but not released by Mitt. It was foolish of Mitt to think he'd keep them a secret. Do you know how many people work for PriceWaterhouseCoopers? 170,000! Heck, there are probably 100 or more that worked on Mitts returns alone.
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It isn't foolish to expect people to follow the law and the ethical code of PWC. If the information was "stolen" by an employee of PWC then PWC is open for a massive law suit, and Romney's got the money to see that suit all the way through to the end. If it "stolen" by an outsider than PWC is in even bigger legal trouble for not properly securing and disposing of sensitive financial information.

So "plausible explanation" or not, somebody has violated the law in a major way, and PWCs role in that violation could lead to some significant trouble for them. My guess is they'll be working very hard to find the leak or weakness and eradicate it. And all Romney needs to do is say he has faith that PWC and the authorities will handle this instance of illegality professionally and quickly.

And he still has no reason to release his tax records. If he did, it would be a massive sign of weakness, showing him bending to the will of criminals. How would that character trait influence him on foreign policy or domestic terrorism?? Threats against the country? No. Politically, his best bet is to focus on catching the criminals involved. Anything else is suicide for him.
 
As long as it is a distraction from discussing Obama's record, the democrats will get that proverbial "thrill up their leg" every time.
 
Bobcat said:
:lamo huff puff post :lamo
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You like the Wall Street Journal better? This one indicates thumb drives were actually delivered to TN congressman with some of the stolen info as proof... The plot thickens.

FBI, Secret Service Deepen Romney Tax Mystery - Washington Wire - WSJ

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'Ya know, if this is actually true, and ends up damaging Romney, then he is going to become a lot richer after he wins his lawsuit.
 
Bobcat said:
:lamo huff puff post :lamo
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I too laugh at sources.

But people point out that attacking the source is not a logical argument. So I then click on the link to WND or Washington Times and point out where the story falls apart factually or otherwise.

Can you do that with this story?

I can't believe someone would try to blackmail a public official being protected by the Secret Service. I'm glad the FBI is looking into this.
 
Harshaw said:
So . . .

You're celebrating a fairly major crime because you hope it will bring you the electoral result you want.
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I think Republicans should have fully vetted their candidate before giving him the nomination.

I think if Candidate Romney can be extorted because of information he should have already made public, then he could also be extorted if he were President, and that is a scarey proposition.

I think it was foolish for Romney to believe he could keep this information secret, when a countless number of people have access through his enormous accounting firm and the IRS.

I think Mittens could put an end to all of it by simply releasing the information, hiding his returns gives the appearance of impropriety.
 
hazlnut said:
I too laugh at sources.

But people point out that attacking the source is not a logical argument. So I then click on the link to WND or Washington Times and point out where the story falls apart factually or otherwise.

Can you do that with this story?

I can't believe someone would try to blackmail a public official being protected by the Secret Service. I'm glad the FBI is looking into this.
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We all know that there is bias in the media and that strories are created to try to damage someone politically. Its really sad that these so-called news outlets pretend to be legitimate when they are nothing but a propaganda arm of one party.
 
avusbluem5 said:
I think Republicans should have fully vetted their candidate before giving him the nomination.

I think if Candidate Romney can be extorted because of information he should have already made public, then he could also be extorted if he were President, and that is a scarey proposition.

I think it was foolish for Romney to believe he could keep this information secret, when a countless number of people have access through his enormous accounting firm and the IRS.

I think Mittens could put an end to all of it by simply releasing the information, hiding his returns gives the appearance of impropriety.
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None of this is anything but a distraction from the fact that you're celebrating a fairly major crime because you think it might bring you the electoral result you want (even when there's no real reason to think it would). By any means necessary, right?
 
avusbluem5 said:
I think Republicans should have fully vetted their candidate before giving him the nomination.

I think if Candidate Romney can be extorted because of information he should have already made public, then he could also be extorted if he were President, and that is a scarey proposition.

I think it was foolish for Romney to believe he could keep this information secret, when a countless number of people have access through his enormous accounting firm and the IRS.

I think Mittens could put an end to all of it by simply releasing the information, hiding his returns gives the appearance of impropriety.
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Did the democrats fully vet Barack Hussein Obama? Did they check into his college records, his mentors, his passport records, his SS records, his deals with Rezko, his spirtual advisor WRight, his upbringing in Indonesia, his associations with radical socialists in Kenya?

Why do you demand more of the GOP than you do of your party?
 
Bobcat said:
We all know that there is bias in the media and that strories are created to try to damage someone politically. Its really sad that these so-called news outlets pretend to be legitimate when they are nothing but a propaganda arm of one party.
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Well said, and I agree. FOX News IS a propaganda arm of one party. :mrgreen:
 
danarhea said:
Well said, and I agree. FOX News IS a propaganda arm of one party. :mrgreen:
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the news arm of Fox is fair, commentators like Hannity are biased. O'Reilly leans right, but gives equal time to both sides. Can you say that the news arm of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC is unbiased?
 
Bobcat said:
Did the democrats fully vet Barack Hussein Obama? Did they check into his college records, his mentors, his passport records, his SS records, his deals with Rezko, his spirtual advisor WRight, his upbringing in Indonesia, his associations with radical socialists in Kenya?

Why do you demand more of the GOP than you do of your party?
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I think Obama has been one of the most thoroughly vetted candidates in history. He is the only candidate I am aware of who has released his long form birth certificate.

I also believe Obama has released 12 years of tax returns, so I am not asking Mitt to do anything Obama has not already done. In fact, I am asking Mitt to do less... I am not interested in seeing his long form birth certificate.
 
WHY DO WE GIVE A CRAP ABOUT MITT ROMNEY'S TAXES!? We already know that he stashes money away in the Cayman Islands and has employed all sorts of loopholes to pay very little in taxation. What are you expecting to find? That he's been secretly funding terrorists? No, just more of the same. We already know what Mitt Romney stands for when it comes to taxes. Lower taxes for the rich. He'll close the loopholes... and then lower the rates. So then it won't require these kinds of tricks to pay the crazy low tax rates, it'll just be the default.

The problem is not that Mitt is going to be found to have used some kind of illegal methods to hide his money, it's that all these methods are legal. It's that these methods take money out of the American economy and stash it away where it doesn't do anyone any good. We already know that the wealthiest Americans hoard money and keep it out of circulation. We already know that the top 20% own 80% of the wealth in this country. We already know that there are trillions of dollars locked away, doing nothing. We already know that the debt could be paid off tomorrow if the unpatriotic parasite class (to borrow a phrase from TurtleDude, though he's got it backwards who that class is) that got their trillions by racking up that debt in the first place would just take responsibility for it and act like they actually love their country.

But what does any of this have to do with Mitt Romney's taxes? What surprises is anyone expecting to find? This is just as dumb as the birther stuff. Do you want to find some kind of criminal dealings that would disqualify him from the presidency? Why, so Sarah Palin can run instead? How is that better? So I must ask, what's the point of going after Mitt's tax records? We already know what he is and what he stands for.
 
Bobcat said:
the news arm of Fox is fair, commentators like Hannity are biased. O'Reilly leans right, but gives equal time to both sides. Can you say that the news arm of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC is unbiased?
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I don't watch ANY of them. To tell you the truth, I get my news from the Comedy Channel. I also get my comedy from the FOX News Channel. :mrgreen:
 
Grim17 said:
As long as it is a distraction from discussing Obama's record, the democrats will get that proverbial "thrill up their leg" every time.
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Yeah never mind Romney's record...:roll:
 
Paschendale said:
WHY DO WE GIVE A CRAP ABOUT MITT ROMNEY'S TAXES!? We already know that he stashes money away in the Cayman Islands and has employed all sorts of loopholes to pay very little in taxation. What are you expecting to find? That he's been secretly funding terrorists? No, just more of the same. We already know what Mitt Romney stands for when it comes to taxes. Lower taxes for the rich. He'll close the loopholes... and then lower the rates. So then it won't require these kinds of tricks to pay the crazy low tax rates, it'll just be the default.

The problem is not that Mitt is going to be found to have used some kind of illegal methods to hide his money, it's that all these methods are legal. It's that these methods take money out of the American economy and stash it away where it doesn't do anyone any good. We already know that the wealthiest Americans hoard money and keep it out of circulation. We already know that the top 20% own 80% of the wealth in this country. We already know that there are trillions of dollars locked away, doing nothing. We already know that the debt could be paid off tomorrow if the unpatriotic parasite class (to borrow a phrase from TurtleDude, though he's got it backwards who that class is) that got their trillions by racking up that debt in the first place would just take responsibility for it and act like they actually love their country.

But what does any of this have to do with Mitt Romney's taxes? What surprises is anyone expecting to find? This is just as dumb as the birther stuff. Do you want to find some kind of criminal dealings that would disqualify him from the presidency? Why, so Sarah Palin can run instead? How is that better? So I must ask, what's the point of going after Mitt's tax records? We already know what he is and what he stands for.
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Bobcat said:
the news arm of Fox is fair, commentators like Hannity are biased. O'Reilly leans right, but gives equal time to both sides. Can you say that the news arm of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC is unbiased?
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Sure, O'Reilly gives equal time. He gives equal time for him to yell SHUT UP! at those he disagrees with.

 
avusbluem5 said:
I think Obama has been one of the most thoroughly vetted candidates in history. He is the only candidate I am aware of who has released his long form birth certificate.

I also believe Obama has released 12 years of tax returns, so I am not asking Mitt to do anything Obama has not already done. In fact, I am asking Mitt to do less... I am not interested in seeing his long form birth certificate.
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most vetted? really? have you seen his columbia and harvard admission forms? if so, please post them. Have you seen his passport records, he has admitted traveling to pakistan when US citizens were not allowed to go there---did he go on an indonesian passport? have you checked into the corrupt deal he made with Rezko on his property in Chicago? Have you checked into Michelle's 300K part time hospital job that she got just after barry helped pass a funding bill in ILL that funnelled money to that hospital?

Obama was not vetted at all. It will all black pride and white guilt and leg tingles.
 
Paschendale said:
WHY DO WE GIVE A CRAP ABOUT MITT ROMNEY'S TAXES!? We already know that he stashes money away in the Cayman Islands and has employed all sorts of loopholes to pay very little in taxation. What are you expecting to find? That he's been secretly funding terrorists? No, just more of the same. We already know what Mitt Romney stands for when it comes to taxes. Lower taxes for the rich. He'll close the loopholes... and then lower the rates. So then it won't require these kinds of tricks to pay the crazy low tax rates, it'll just be the default.

The problem is not that Mitt is going to be found to have used some kind of illegal methods to hide his money, it's that all these methods are legal. It's that these methods take money out of the American economy and stash it away where it doesn't do anyone any good. We already know that the wealthiest Americans hoard money and keep it out of circulation. We already know that the top 20% own 80% of the wealth in this country. We already know that there are trillions of dollars locked away, doing nothing. We already know that the debt could be paid off tomorrow if the unpatriotic parasite class (to borrow a phrase from TurtleDude, though he's got it backwards who that class is) that got their trillions by racking up that debt in the first place would just take responsibility for it and act like they actually love their country.

But what does any of this have to do with Mitt Romney's taxes? What surprises is anyone expecting to find? This is just as dumb as the birther stuff. Do you want to find some kind of criminal dealings that would disqualify him from the presidency? Why, so Sarah Palin can run instead? How is that better? So I must ask, what's the point of going after Mitt's tax records? We already know what he is and what he stands for.
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Not declaring a Swiss bank account is not a "loophole", it is tax evasion, a felony.

I suggest you Google Mitt Romney Tax Amnesty, and read up.
 
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