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Can you say.... October Suprise for Mittens?

avusbluem5 said:
LOL... I can see the republican bloggers now, warming up their Photoshop skillz, so they can rationalize the whole thing away...
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First, I'm not a Romney supporter and I think there's a very good reason he doesn't want to release his tax returns.

That said, it's not so great to be taking such apparent joy at someone else being the possible victim of blackmail. Actually, it's kind of terrible.

Second, even if someone releases the returns, SO WHAT? Think about it. Tax Returns mean something because the candidate SAYS that they're true. Without that, you have NOTHING.

What, you're going to say "Hey this page is missing, obviously Romney committed a crime". Or look, this number is wrong, fraud! And what happens when someone asks you how you know that those are the actual returns? Are you going to tell them that a blackmailer told you, so it must be true. [sarcasm]I mean, you do make a great point... forging a scanned document... No one could ever do such a thing, certainly not a blackmailer.[/sarcasm]
 
Mithros said:
First, I'm not a Romney supporter and I think there's a very good reason he doesn't want to release his tax returns.

That said, it's not so great to be taking such apparent joy at someone else being the possible victim of blackmail. Actually, it's kind of terrible.

Second, even if someone releases the returns, SO WHAT? Think about it. Tax Returns mean something because the candidate SAYS that they're true. Without that, you have NOTHING.

What, you're going to say "Hey this page is missing, obviously Romney committed a crime". Or look, this number is wrong, fraud! And what happens when someone asks you how you know that those are the actual returns? Are you going to tell them that a blackmailer told you, so it must be true. [sarcasm]I mean, you do make a great point... forging a scanned document... No one could ever do such a thing, certainly not a blackmailer.[/sarcasm]
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I take no joy in Romney's blackmail. The thought of a President with Blackmail hanging over his head is frightening. How far would Romney go to appease a blackmailer, and keep his tax returns secret once he is in office?

I do take some enjoyment watching the Romney supporters squirm and contort trying to rationalize Romney's situation away. A situation he could remove by simply doing what every other serious Presidential candidate has done in modern history, since his father ran in the 60s.

Conservatives are still asking for Obama to disclose documents... but you do not hold Romney to the same standard.

There is a word for that..... Ummmm...
 
Fishstyx said:
The Romney camp should pull a Stephanie Cutter and say this: "So who is to beneift the most from this theft? Is the Obama Administraiton behind it?" So that way, he's not accusing the Obama Administration of breaking the law, he's just asking a question. :lamo
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This a perfect example of how corrupt Liberaism really is.
 
Fishstyx said:
The Romney camp should pull a Stephanie Cutter and say this: "So who is to beneift the most from this theft? Is the Obama Administraiton behind it?" So that way, he's not accusing the Obama Administration of breaking the law, he's just asking a question. :lamo
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Well, I think the Blackmailer is looking to benefit in the neighborhood of $1 million.
 
avusbluem5 said:
I take no joy in Romney's blackmail. The thought of a President with Blackmail hanging over his head is frightening. How far would Romney go to appease a blackmailer, and keep his tax returns secret once he is in office?

I do take some enjoyment watching the Romney supporters squirm and contort trying to rationalize Romney's situation away. A situation he could remove by simply doing what every other serious Presidential candidate has done in modern history, since his father ran in the 60s.

Conservatives are still asking for Obama to disclose documents... but you do not hold Romney to the same standard.

There is a word for that..... Ummmm...
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Few things:

1. In one breath you're hypothesizing about Romney (as president) caving to blackmail pressure.
2. In another, you're encouraging him to cave to blackmail pressure by releasing his returns before they do.
3. Nobody except the radicals want Obama's records from school, or another form of birth certificate, or anything else.
4. Given #3, do people really want to be in that camp regarding Romney's tax returns? Is "tit-for-tat" really the best possible course of action when you're titting against the tats of idiots?
 
tessaesque said:
It isn't foolish to expect people to follow the law and the ethical code of PWC. If the information was "stolen" by an employee of PWC then PWC is open for a massive law suit, and Romney's got the money to see that suit all the way through to the end. If it "stolen" by an outsider than PWC is in even bigger legal trouble for not properly securing and disposing of sensitive financial information.

So "plausible explanation" or not, somebody has violated the law in a major way, and PWCs role in that violation could lead to some significant trouble for them. My guess is they'll be working very hard to find the leak or weakness and eradicate it. And all Romney needs to do is say he has faith that PWC and the authorities will handle this instance of illegality professionally and quickly.


And he still has no reason to release his tax records. If he did, it would be a massive sign of weakness, showing him bending to the will of criminals. How would that character trait influence him on foreign policy or domestic terrorism?? Threats against the country? No. Politically, his best bet is to focus on catching the criminals involved. Anything else is suicide for him.
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LOL Honesty and openness with the American people is a "massive weakness". You crack me up.
Why are sneaks and liars so "strong"? Romney cannot even stand up to "the Donald", how would he be better with Putin then?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Honesty and openness with the American people is a "massive weakness". You crack me up.
Why are sneaks and liars so "strong"? Romney cannot even stand up to "the Donald", how would he be better with Putin then?
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That isn't what I said. If you want an answer, don't post distorted interpretations of my statements. My exact words (which you quoted), were, "And he has no reason to release his tax records. If he did, it would be a massive sign of weakness, showing him bending to the will of criminals."

Direct interpretation: If he releases his tax records because he's being blackmailed by thieves, it would be viewed as weakness on his part.

The rest of your post is just as ridiculous. No response there.
 
tessaesque said:
Few things:

1. In one breath you're hypothesizing about Romney (as president) caving to blackmail pressure.
2. In another, you're encouraging him to cave to blackmail pressure by releasing his returns before they do.
3. Nobody except the radicals want Obama's records from school, or another form of birth certificate, or anything else.
4. Given #3, do people really want to be in that camp regarding Romney's tax returns? Is "tit-for-tat" really the best possible course of action when you're titting against the tats of idiots?
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Regarding #2: Releasing his returns is not caving to blackmail, it is removing the blackmailers leverage against the target of the blackmail. By continuing to hide his returns, he continues to give the blackmailer (and future blackmailers) leverage over him. Leverage over a sitting president is a bad thing in my book. If he has nothing to hide, taking away the blackmailer's leverage seems like a good idea.

Regarding #4: It is not tit for tat. Obama has released his tax returns. Every serious candidate since George Romney set the standard in the 60s, has released more than 2 years of returns. If I demanded to see Romney's long form birth certificate, or college records, that would be tit for tat.
 
avusbluem5 said:
Regarding #2: Releasing his returns is not caving to blackmail, it is removing the blackmailers leverage against the target of the blackmail. By continuing to hide his returns, he continues to give the blackmailer (and future blackmailers) leverage over him. Leverage over a sitting president is a bad thing in my book.

Regarding #4: It is not tit for tat. Obama has released his tax returns. Every serious candidate since George Romney set the standard in the 60s, has released more than 2 years of returns. If I demanded to see Romney's long form birth certificate, or college records, that would be tit for tat.
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#2: It is most certainly caving into the Blackmailers. They have leverage 'cause they broke the law. Other people will be willing to break the law to gain leverage against Romney, Obama, or President Frankenfurter. In fact, I'd be willing to be we (the country) have received several threats of violence or negative consequence if we (Obama) didn't give into the demands of terror group A or B or C or D. It happens all the damned time, and has since before Greece began its decline. Your premise, therefore, is essentially worthless to the debate.

#4: It most certainly is. You have several posts in this thread (as do others) trying to justify the demands against Romney by saying demands have been made against Obama. There is no legal requirement Romney is beholden to, and there is nothing more that can be gained from 2 more years of tax returns that we can't glean from his current financial state and the 2 years he's already produced. Just like there's nothing more we can glean from Obama's transcripts that we can't already ascertain from the information readily available. It's the desperate attempt of hacks to discredit by any means necessary, on BOTH sides of the aisle, that continues to derail legitimate debate.

Would you rather be part of the problem, or part of advancement? 'Cause me personally? I'd rather just shut the hell up and move on with real issues.
 
tessaesque said:
#2: It is most certainly caving into the Blackmailers. They have leverage 'cause they broke the law. Other people will be willing to break the law to gain leverage against Romney, Obama, or President Frankenfurter. In fact, I'd be willing to be we (the country) have received several threats of violence or negative consequence if we (Obama) didn't give into the demands of terror group A or B or C or D. It happens all the damned time, and has since before Greece began its decline. Your premise, therefore, is essentially worthless to the debate.

#4: It most certainly is. You have several posts in this thread (as do others) trying to justify the demands against Romney by saying demands have been made against Obama. There is no legal requirement Romney is beholden to, and there is nothing more that can be gained from 2 more years of tax returns that we can't glean from his current financial state and the 2 years he's already produced. Just like there's nothing more we can glean from Obama's transcripts that we can't already ascertain from the information readily available. It's the desperate attempt of hacks to discredit by any means necessary, on BOTH sides of the aisle, that continues to derail legitimate debate.

Would you rather be part of the problem, or part of advancement? 'Cause me personally? I'd rather just shut the hell up and move on with real issues.
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#2: No, paying the $1 million is caving to the blackmailers. They don't really care about his returns, they want the money. They have leverage, because Romney apparently has something to hide. Releasing the returns removes that notion, and the leverage vanishes.

#4: First, we've only seen 1 year, so Romney has failed to comply with even the minimum legal requirements. Second, there are specific questions that can be answered from 2008 and 2009 returns only. I am not requesting Romney do anything that Obama has not already done. Tax Returns are disclosure 101... Even Romney asked for 7 years of returns when vetting Ryan. Voters are supposed to take Romney at his word alone? And if you are so eager to debate "legitimate issues" why are you trolling this thread?
 
avusbluem5 said:
#2: No, paying the $1 million is caving to the blackmailers. They don't really care about his returns, they want the money. They have leverage, because Romney apparently has something to hide. Releasing the returns removes that notion, and the leverage vanishes.

#4: First, we've only seen 1 year, so Romney has failed to comply with even the minimum legal requirements. Second, there are specific questions that can be answered from 2008 and 2009 returns only. I am not requesting Romney do anything that Obama has not already done. Tax Returns are disclosure 101... Even Romney asked for 7 years of returns when vetting Ryan. Voters are supposed to take Romney at his word alone? And if you are so eager to debate "legitimate issues" why are you trolling this thread?
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In hopes of turning just one irrational string of idiocy into pragmatism. I see I've failed in that endeavor.
 
Grim17 said:
As long as it is a distraction from discussing Obama's record, the democrats will get that proverbial "thrill up their leg" every time.
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Obama's record:

Unemployment down from 10% to 8%]
Stocks are up from 8k-, 1.4k-, 700- to 1300+, 3k+, 1.4k+
Wars down from 2 to 0
"GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" btw who said Bin Laden's in Pakistan during the last election?
Health Care coverage is expanded
Housing is stable
Foreign relations is better
Talks of landing man on Mars renewed
By percentage Debt went up slower on Obama's watch then it did with Reagan and Bush, Reagan Quadrupiled the debt in his 2 terms, Bush doubled his debt, and with the hand he's dealt and all the things he's implemented our debt is only up from 10 trillion to 14 trillion which is 40%, LESS than Reagan and Bush.

Romney's record:

Cheated though school
Robs people of their money and makes a living by killing jobs
Hides his taxes
"Balanced the budget" as governor while being 47/50 in job creation
Done zero to help the environmental, and he even thinks it's a joke said it him self.

Sure he constantly talks about his record you guys just chose to not listen and believe in out outrageous lies and libel.

I'm not sure you what you guys want and clearly you will not be dictated by "fact checkers", welcome to reality the Republican party is garbage right now and should be replaced.

Have you guys ever asked why Romney doesn't talk much about his record as governor or that he doesn't go into detail of how he made all his money? No? That's cause he CANT run on that record. He'd be stoned to death before he gets elected president.
 
shiang said:
Obama's record:

Unemployment down from 10% to 8%]
Stocks are up from 8k-, 1.4k-, 700- to 1300+, 3k+, 1.4k+
Wars down from 2 to 0
"GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" btw who said Bin Laden's in Pakistan during the last election?
Health Care coverage is expanded
Housing is stable
Foreign relations is better
Talks of landing man on Mars renewed
By percentage Debt went up slower on Obama's watch then it did with Reagan and Bush, Reagan Quadrupiled the debt in his 2 terms, Bush doubled his debt, and with the hand he's dealt and all the things he's implemented our debt is only up from 10 trillion to 14 trillion which is 40%, LESS than Reagan and Bush.

Romney's record:

Cheated though school
Robs people of their money and makes a living by killing jobs
Hides his taxes
"Balanced the budget" as governor while being 47/50 in job creation
Done zero to help the environmental, and he even thinks it's a joke said it him self.

Sure he constantly talks about his record you guys just chose to not listen and believe in out outrageous lies and libel.

I'm not sure you what you guys want and clearly you will not be dictated by "fact checkers", welcome to reality the Republican party is garbage right now and should be replaced.

Have you guys ever asked why Romney doesn't talk much about his record as governor or that he doesn't go into detail of how he made all his money? No? That's cause he CANT run on that record. He'd be stoned to death before he gets elected president.
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Ah, I see we have a new poster who is incapable to doing anything but parroting the dem talking points. You will not be happy here. You will be torn to shreads by those who post the truth.
 
shiang said:
Obama's record:

Unemployment down from 10% to 8%]
Stocks are up from 8k-, 1.4k-, 700- to 1300+, 3k+, 1.4k+
Wars down from 2 to 0
"GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" btw who said Bin Laden's in Pakistan during the last election?
Health Care coverage is expanded
Housing is stable
Foreign relations is better
Talks of landing man on Mars renewed
By percentage Debt went up slower on Obama's watch then it did with Reagan and Bush, Reagan Quadrupiled the debt in his 2 terms, Bush doubled his debt, and with the hand he's dealt and all the things he's implemented our debt is only up from 10 trillion to 14 trillion which is 40%, LESS than Reagan and Bush.

Romney's record:

Cheated though school
Robs people of their money and makes a living by killing jobs
Hides his taxes
"Balanced the budget" as governor while being 47/50 in job creation
Done zero to help the environmental, and he even thinks it's a joke said it him self.

Sure he constantly talks about his record you guys just chose to not listen and believe in out outrageous lies and libel.

I'm not sure you what you guys want and clearly you will not be dictated by "fact checkers", welcome to reality the Republican party is garbage right now and should be replaced.

Have you guys ever asked why Romney doesn't talk much about his record as governor or that he doesn't go into detail of how he made all his money? No? That's cause he CANT run on that record. He'd be stoned to death before he gets elected president.
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Nancy Pelosi is that you? Its me Margret...
 
shiang said:
Obama's record:

Unemployment down from 10% to 8%]
Stocks are up from 8k-, 1.4k-, 700- to 1300+, 3k+, 1.4k+
Wars down from 2 to 0
"GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" btw who said Bin Laden's in Pakistan during the last election?
Health Care coverage is expanded
Housing is stable
Foreign relations is better
Talks of landing man on Mars renewed
By percentage Debt went up slower on Obama's watch then it did with Reagan and Bush, Reagan Quadrupiled the debt in his 2 terms, Bush doubled his debt, and with the hand he's dealt and all the things he's implemented our debt is only up from 10 trillion to 14 trillion which is 40%, LESS than Reagan and Bush.

Romney's record:

Cheated though school
Robs people of their money and makes a living by killing jobs
Hides his taxes
"Balanced the budget" as governor while being 47/50 in job creation
Done zero to help the environmental, and he even thinks it's a joke said it him self.

Sure he constantly talks about his record you guys just chose to not listen and believe in out outrageous lies and libel.

I'm not sure you what you guys want and clearly you will not be dictated by "fact checkers", welcome to reality the Republican party is garbage right now and should be replaced.

Have you guys ever asked why Romney doesn't talk much about his record as governor or that he doesn't go into detail of how he made all his money? No? That's cause he CANT run on that record. He'd be stoned to death before he gets elected president.
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This is so painfully inaccurate it isn't even funny.
 
avusbluem5 said:
Well, I think the Blackmailer is looking to benefit in the neighborhood of $1 million.
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No, the blackmailer doesn't want $1 million. The blackmailer wants $1 million in bitcoins.
 
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Mycroft said:
No, the blackmailer doesn't want $1 million. The blackmailer wants $1 million in bitcoins.
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I stand corrected. So, based on the conversion charts I've been able to quickly locate, current exchange is around $10 to $11 USD = 1 Bitcoin. So, the blackmailer actually wants around $10 to $11 million usd.

Learn something everyday!

Thanks.
 
Travis007 said:
You do know that Reid will not show his tax returns..and has a shady land deal that is ILLEGAL... did Harry mention that? or that he has dimentia?
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Is Harry running for President? If what you say is true, and he decides to run for President, I for one will not vote for him.
 
tessaesque said:
This is so painfully inaccurate it isn't even funny.
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It's inaccurate that Bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive? Really? You've got one hell of a scoop there.
 
Bobcat said:
Ah, I see we have a new poster who is incapable to doing anything but parroting the dem talking points. You will not be happy here. You will be torn to shreads by those who post the truth.
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Like you? At least he didn't debut with a racist 'half-breed' label for the President, as other new posters have done.
 
Wiggen said:
Like you? At least he didn't debut with a racist 'half-breed' label for the President, as other new posters have done.
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How is that racist?

It's true, he's mixed, not black.
 
Wiggen said:
It's inaccurate that Bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive? Really? You've got one hell of a scoop there.
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Did I say all of it was inaccurate? No? Yeah....thanks for playing. When you have a legitimate response get back to me.
 
tessaesque said:
Did I say all of it was inaccurate? No? Yeah....thanks for playing. When you have a legitimate response get back to me.
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When you have something to say that isn't scripted by the Republican National Committee, I will.
 
apdst said:
How is that racist?

It's true, he's mixed, not black.
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So you don't consider the term 'half-breed' racist? And people wonder why we consider those on the Far Right to be ...uh....racially insensitive. I suppose by your definition, anybody who isn't a half breed would be a pure bred? Like you, for example?
 
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