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Ryan has an interesting labor day!

Debra said:
If you had watched the video you would see Ryan was approached before the parade! No one interrupted the actual parade but it appears very few Jaynesville residents were happy to see Ryan in their parade.
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That only matters if he was approached hours before the parade began. If he was involved in the parade he would have been needed by the coordinators before it started so that he could be put into position and advised on the route/timing/etc. Basically, if Ryan was working or trying to get to work as part of his role in the parade and he was stopped by this man, he had every right to explain (as he did in the video) that he was obligated to attend to parade matters and was therefore unavailable at that exact moment to take questions.

If Obama were leaving a campaign event to make a flight to another, nobody would balk if he had to cut somebody short because of the sensitivity of time constraints. Logical, pragmatic people understand that you can't be available 24/7 at everybody's whim to respond to complaints or questions about policy. All representatives have contact information available online, local district offices, and attend town halls for their constituents, so that issues and questions can be addressed. This story tries to create an issue that doesn't exist. It's pathetic. And shame on those who fall for this nonsense. They're the reason we can't focus on real issues.
 
cpwill said:
Evidently not. It would have been easy as pie to have pulled in (for example) a Republican Senator or two (coughMaine!) on Obamacare; instead what we got was as narrow as it could possibly be while still passing, in order to make it lean as left as it could go. On the debt ceiling deal, Obama and Boehner had a compromise deal worked out, but Obama couldn't sell it to the Senate Democrats so he tried to change it at the last minute, at which point it fell through.
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Obama care was structured under GOP ideas. The mandate was the creation of the GOP. In fact, Obama's other than a few minor points it's IDENTICAL to Romney's plan in Maine that Republicans touted as a great achievement ...Before Obama did the same thing. Obama on numerous occasions has given the GOP 99% of what they asked for and it wasn't enough. Many times it was their OWN PLAN'S they he agreed to and they still didn't go for it. They yell mandates are Bad but it was the GOP that pushed mandates for 25 years. The GOP does not know nor has ever had any intention to work with or help Obama in anyway. They have been caught in so many blantant lies and half truths I'm surprised they even still have their own base.
 
Hairytic said:
I bet Ryan wouldn't have the guts to make the tough choices most Americans are having to make right now. Choices like, do I pay for my medication or food. Choices like, should I eat less so my children have more to eat. Choices like do I pay the house note so I have a place to live or the car note so I can get back and forth to work. Ryan's idea of tough choices is to cut social programs that people need to feed their kids so he can give more tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations.
Ryan isn't bold, he is just another out of touch republican.
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cpwill said:
Evidently not. It would have been easy as pie to have pulled in (for example) a Republican Senator or two (coughMaine!) on Obamacare; instead what we got was as narrow as it could possibly be while still passing, in order to make it lean as left as it could go. On the debt ceiling deal, Obama and Boehner had a compromise deal worked out, but Obama couldn't sell it to the Senate Democrats so he tried to change it at the last minute, at which point it fell through.
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Revisionist history is your strong suit ....it was boehner who backed out with the economic terrorist tea party threatening they would rather default then do anything that looks like they are helping this President.
 
MaggieD said:
"Repugs" tells me everything I need to know about you, Carleen. Thanks for the transparency. :rofl :rofl

Re Romney's plans. What does he have to do, FedX them to you??

Here's his stand on the issues: At surprise!!!! His website: Issues | Mitt Romney for President

Here's the 2012 Republican Platform: 2012 Gop Platform

Make Google your friend.
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Then why doesn't he talk about his platform ? I want to hear it from him not google. Instead of talking about his platform, he just keeps talking negative, so Obama will do the same. Touche!!!
 
Hairytic said:
I bet Ryan wouldn't have the guts to make the tough choices most Americans are having to make right now. Choices like, do I pay for my medication or food. Choices like, should I eat less so my children have more to eat. Choices like do I pay the house note so I have a place to live or the car note so I can get back and forth to work. Ryan's idea of tough choices is to cut social programs that people need to feed their kids so he can give more tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations.
Ryan isn't bold, he is just another out of touch republican.
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Hairytic said:
Obama care was structured under GOP ideas. The mandate was the creation of the GOP. In fact, Obama's other than a few minor points it's IDENTICAL to Romney's plan in Maine that Republicans touted as a great achievement ...Before Obama did the same thing. Obama on numerous occasions has given the GOP 99% of what they asked for and it wasn't enough. Many times it was their OWN PLAN'S they he agreed to and they still didn't go for it. They yell mandates are Bad but it was the GOP that pushed mandates for 25 years. The GOP does not know nor has ever had any intention to work with or help Obama in anyway. They have been caught in so many blantant lies and half truths I'm surprised they even still have their own base.
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tessaesque said:
That only matters if he was approached hours before the parade began. If he was involved in the parade he would have been needed by the coordinators before it started so that he could be put into position and advised on the route/timing/etc. Basically, if Ryan was working or trying to get to work as part of his role in the parade and he was stopped by this man, he had every right to explain (as he did in the video) that he was obligated to attend to parade matters and was therefore unavailable at that exact moment to take questions.

If Obama were leaving a campaign event to make a flight to another, nobody would balk if he had to cut somebody short because of the sensitivity of time constraints. Logical, pragmatic people understand that you can't be available 24/7 at everybody's whim to respond to complaints or questions about policy. All representatives have contact information available online, local district offices, and attend town halls for their constituents, so that issues and questions can be addressed. This story tries to create an issue that doesn't exist. It's pathetic. And shame on those who fall for this nonsense. They're the reason we can't focus on real issues.
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Still shows how out of touch Ryan is, he obviously thought all was well just troll through a parade and go home, a huge portion of that town let him know he wasn't doing his job , they were very unhappy with him! its a fact he was clueless !
 
Hairytic said:
Obama care was structured under GOP ideas. The mandate was the creation of the GOP.
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The individual mandate was indeed originally a Republican idea - specifically it was a counter to Hillarycare's proposal of an employer mandate. However that only exacerbates the matter - it remains the fact of the matter that Obama never attempted to get any Republicans on board, and your demonstration of the overlap that should have been easy to take advantage of only further demonstrates that fact.

In fact, Obama's other than a few minor points it's IDENTICAL to Romney's plan in Maine that Republicans touted as a great achievement ...
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We do? 1. I think you meant "Massachussetts" and 2. No, Romney is pretty much the only one who "touts" that, and then only because he sort of has to.

Before Obama did the same thing. Obama on numerous occasions has given the GOP 99% of what they asked for and it wasn't enough.
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:) well if that is the case then it should be easy for you to list a few of those times where Obama has offered the GOP 99% of what they wanted only to watch the GOP walk away. But I think you are working here from an impression built upon your ideological lens rather than an actual memory of the events themselves.

Many times it was their OWN PLAN'S they he agreed to and they still didn't go for it. They yell mandates are Bad but it was the GOP that pushed mandates for 25 years.
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That is incorrect - Hillary offered up the employer mandate in the 90's and conservatives offered up the compromise of the individual mandate. By 2008, Hillary had taken up the individual mandate, and Barack Obama opposed it. A mandate to purchase a product is and remains unconstitutional, as confirmed by SCOTUS.

The GOP does not know nor has ever had any intention to work with or help Obama in anyway. They have been caught in so many blantant lies and half truths I'm surprised they even still have their own base.
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:roll:
 
Debra said:
Fairly respectful? Well knock me over with a feather, and what would those comments be?
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In regards to the "better off" statement Obama made early in his presidency, Romney said this during his speech at the RNC:
"You know there's something wrong with the kind of job he's done as president," Romney said, "when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him."
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Doesn't attack Obama as a person, attacks his success (or lack of) as president.

When pointing out the differences in their philosophies, Romney said this:
"He took office without the basic qualification that most Americans have and one that was essential to his task," the 65-year-old nominee said. "Jobs to him are about government."
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Again, not attacking Obama as a person, but challenging an inherent difference in belief and pointing out Obama's lack of business acumen.

Regarding Obama's reelection, Romney said this:
"This president can ask us to be patient. This president can tell us it was someone else's fault. This president can tell us that the next four years he'll get it right. But this president cannot tell us that you are better off today than when he took office," he said, borrowing Ronald Reagan's famous line against Carter in the 1980 campaign. "Americans have supported this president in good faith. But today the time has come to turn the page."
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Again, not attacking Obama as a person, but instead pointing out the reality that many Americans feel they are the same or worse off than before Obama was elected.

On Obama visiting the Aurora shooting victims:
"I know the president is in Colorado today before he'll be here in San Francisco, he's visiting with families of the victims, which is the right thing for the president to be doing on this day and we appreciate that," Romney said.
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Ann Romney on Michelle Obama to USA Today:
. “She’s lovely,” Romney told USA Today of Michelle Obama. “I think she's doing a good job.”
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Romney on Obama and Osama Bin Laden's death:
"I congratulated the president and the intelligence community, as well as SEAL Team Six for their valor in carrying out this direction, so I acknowledge the president's success and think he has every right to take credit for him having ordered that attack," Romney said on “CBS This Morning" Tuesday. "At the same time, I think it was very disappointing for the president to try to make this a political item by suggesting I wouldn't have ordered such a raid — of course I would have, any thinking American would have ordered the exact same thing."
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Rather polite disagreement with Obama's statements as well as a polite issuance of recognition.
 
Carleen said:
Then why doesn't he talk about his platform ? I want to hear it from him not google. Instead of talking about his platform, he just keeps talking negative, so Obama will do the same. Touche!!!
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:doh



:) well, self-pwnage is the best pwnage :)]







etc. so on and so forth. the man has been running for office for 5 years now - it's not exactly like you are the first person to want to see a plan from him.
 
Debra said:
Still shows how out of touch Ryan is, he obviously thought all was well just troll through a parade and go home, a huge portion of that town let him know he wasn't doing his job , they were very unhappy with him! its a fact he was clueless !
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I really think you should look up the definition of "fact" and the general means-testing of any statement to label it as such. It is your opinion that he was clueless, based on a biased interview and article from a year ago. Opinions =/= facts.
 
tessaesque said:
In regards to the "better off" statement Obama made early in his presidency, Romney said this during his speech at the RNC:

Doesn't attack Obama as a person, attacks his success (or lack of) as president.

When pointing out the differences in their philosophies, Romney said this:

Again, not attacking Obama as a person, but challenging an inherent difference in belief and pointing out Obama's lack of business acumen.

Regarding Obama's reelection, Romney said this:

Again, not attacking Obama as a person, but instead pointing out the reality that many Americans feel they are the same or worse off than before Obama was elected.

On Obama visiting the Aurora shooting victims:

Ann Romney on Michelle Obama to USA Today:

Romney on Obama and Osama Bin Laden's death:

Rather polite disagreement with Obama's statements as well as a polite issuance of recognition.
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As Senator Rubio said: Our problem with the President is not that he is a bad person, he's not a bad person. Our problem is that he's a bad President.
 
More negative than bush putting out the rumor that McCain had a black out of wedlock child in south Carolina? Not by a long shot.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
:mrgreen:

now that IS scary:shock:
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It's a story that was told by some of Romney's old classmates. Conveniently, the alleged victim died several years ago and cannot speak to the story's veracity, and the alleged victim's family claims to know nothing of the event. So in other words: it's unproven.
 
MaggieD said:
It's the fact it's a year old. It's the fact that this story was dug up to add to the unprecedented negative campaigning going on in this election year. It's the fact that the guy was participating in a parade...a parade...and this guy was ambushing him. Ya' know, he doesn't have Secret Service three-deep to insulate him from the public and reporters.

Why aren't you talking about Obama's record? Got nothin'? If you knew anything about politics, you would know that an incumbent who lacks a record to run on attacks the opposition. Why must you join him?
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Didn't you just post a thread attacking the first Lady?
 
tessaesque said:
For the last time. Read the actual "apology" and stop posting lies and distortions.
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They are Not lies they are links posted to credible mainstream press, you just cannot defend Romney this goes right to the heart of his cold stiff character ! It is fair game! Go do your whining somewhere that it matters.
 
tessaesque said:
She didn't attack Michelle Obama. She commented on a line from her speech.
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So if I post a thread saying Anne Romney gave a lovely speech but why did she awkwardly scream out "I love women" it's so desperate sounding.


You wouldn't call that an attack. Yea sure right.
 
Debra said:
They are Not lies they are links posted to credible mainstream press, you just cannot defend Romney this goes right to the heart of his cold stiff character ! It is fair game! Go do your whining somewhere that it matters.
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I realize I'm beating my head against a metaphorical brick wall, but I refuse to allow distortions, lies, and blatant disregard for facts to permeate this election anymore than necessary. Your posts are lies, distortions, half-truths, and flat out disconnected from reality. Whatever the motivation is for such posts, they are still dishonest and factually incorrect. And I have every right and reason to continue calling them out for what they are.

It isn't whining, it's making an attempt to create honest, factual, productive discourse. From your posts, it would seem you are uninterested in taking part in that goal. That's fine. But at least embrace your posts for what they are. Be honest about that, if nothing else.
 
Debra said:
So if I post a thread saying Anne Romney gave a lovely speech but why did she awkwardly scream out "I love women" it's so desperate sounding.


You wouldn't call that an attack. Yea sure right.
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I didn't call it an attack when you posted it earlier, did I? (Hint: the correct answer is: "No, you didn't".)
 
Debra said:
They are Not lies they are links posted to credible mainstream press, you just cannot defend Romney this goes right to the heart of his cold stiff character ! It is fair game! Go do your whining somewhere that it matters.
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Oh shut up. From your own damn source:

"They talk about the fact that I played a lot of pranks in high school," Romney said. "And they describe some that you just say to yourself, back in high school I just did some dumb things and if anybody was hurt by that or offended by it, obviously I apologize."

“I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school and some might have gone too far and for that, I apologize," he added.
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"The people involved didn't come out of the closet until years later," he noted. "The idea that this is something that was known by me ... is obviously absurd. I had no idea that this person might have been gay."

“I don’t remember that incident and I’ll tell you I certainly don’t believe that I, I can’t speak for other people of course, thought the fellow was homosexual," he said earlier in the interview. "That was the furthest thing from my mind back in the 1960s, so that was not the case. But as to pranks that were played back then, I don’t remember them all, but again, high school days, if I did stupid things, why I’m afraid I got to say sorry for it.”
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Romney Apologizes For Bullying In Prep School, Says He Didn't Know Victim Was Gay

In order to use information properly you need to both read it and understand it properly. You did neither with this story. You are entitled to your own opinion, but they arent facts according to your own source, they remain opinions.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Oh shut up. From your own damn source:




Romney Apologizes For Bullying In Prep School, Says He Didn't Know Victim Was Gay

In order to use information properly you need to both read it and understand it properly. You did neither with this story. You are entitled to your own opinion, but they arent facts according to your own source, they remain opinions.
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I read it ! first he apologized says " he didnt know he was gay" then he says I don't remember it happening, yea right the others that were there said it traumatized them! You don't forget attacking a kid forcing him down cutting his hair, you are just in denial! It's too hard to defend so you attack me instead it's a typical republican tactic!
 
tessaesque said:
I didn't call it an attack when you posted it earlier, did I? (Hint: the correct answer is: "No, you didn't".)
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This wasn't you who expressed the faux outrage that posting a video was so negative and why would I stoop to such a level.
 
Debra said:
This wasn't you who expressed the faux outrage that posting a video was so negative and why would I stoop to such a level.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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