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Ryan has an interesting labor day!

tererun said:
Aren't you one of the people who blames obama for closing a plant that closed before he gfot into office as the president? Why is it OK to blame Obama for that closing, but not the state representative who voted for the economical practices that trashed the economy in his own state? just another republican who wants to pretend her hero is perfect when all they do is **** up. Your guys are not perfect, they are not close to perfect, and people like you are part of the problem.
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What economic policies did Ryan vote for that trashed the economy in his own state?
 
tessaesque said:
What irritates me to no end is the continued campaigning against nonsense instead of campaigning on issues. If we can't run on record, I guess we have to run on doing whatever it takes to make the other guy look bad. It's a shame we've thus far been unable to rise above it. And having run on "change" in 2008, I would have expected Obama to exercise a higher standard of politicking, even going so far as to reject third party attempts at character bashing (from his own party and the opposition).
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If Obama ran on his record, it would be a guaranteed loser.
 
Debra said:
Never heard that one but The President won his election with a clear victory I think he deserves to try get his agenda in place, I never saw one example of the republicans even trying to compromise.
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That's because they knew they would get their asses voted out, just like all those Democrats did during the mid-terms.
 
cpwill said:
Yeah, here we called that "a historic unstoppable majority in both houses of congress plus the white house", and he had it. He got what he wanted, and what we are living with now are the results of that.



then you weren't paying attention. however, you also didn't see democrats desiring to do the same. the only real compromise we've gotten thus far is that republicans have agreed to continue to let the President spend at his current pace in return for cuts in future budgets.
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Obama would give in to the GOP demands, and then the GOP would say no to the deal and go to the media and make statments about how the President was unwilling to work with the GOP. See, I paid attention to what was going on. It is clear that no matter how much Obama was willing to compromise, the GOP refused.
 
Mycroft said:
I didn't watch the video because I assume this is an accurate transcription of the conversation.

But, let's look at this, eh? Ryan is beginning his participation in a parade when this man comes up and wants to talk. Ryan tells him this is not the time or place since he's part of the parade, but the man insists on talking. Doesn't it strike you that that man was being selfish? Parades are tightly controlled and timed affairs. One person, not moving with the flow of the parade can disrupt it. And here was some self-centered person, who didn't have a care for any of the spectators, causing a disruption. I'm sure that man felt his thoughts matter...and they do...but not to the point of ruining everyone else's day.

Oh, and one other point: Perhaps that man would be better served by asking his question of Obama...after all, Obama has been President for four years and we are no better off now than then.
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i THINK IT'S A FREE SPEECH ISSUE. No citizen should be stifiled from speaking his mind at a political event.
 
Hairytic said:
Obama would give in to the GOP demands, and then the GOP would say no to the deal and go to the media and make statments about how the President was unwilling to work with the GOP. See, I paid attention to what was going on.
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Evidently not. It would have been easy as pie to have pulled in (for example) a Republican Senator or two (coughMaine!) on Obamacare; instead what we got was as narrow as it could possibly be while still passing, in order to make it lean as left as it could go. On the debt ceiling deal, Obama and Boehner had a compromise deal worked out, but Obama couldn't sell it to the Senate Democrats so he tried to change it at the last minute, at which point it fell through.
 
Hairytic said:
I trust Fox News about as much as I trust Glen Beck.
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ad-sourcinem is merely a function of the ad-hominem fallacy, as you well demonstrate.
 
MaggieD said:
It's the fact it's a year old. It's the fact that this story was dug up to add to the unprecedented negative campaigning going on in this election year. It's the fact that the guy was participating in a parade...a parade...and this guy was ambushing him. Ya' know, he doesn't have Secret Service three-deep to insulate him from the public and reporters.

Why aren't you talking about Obama's record? Got nothin'? If you knew anything about politics, you would know that an incumbent who lacks a record to run on attacks the opposition. Why must you join him?
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It's negative on both sides, so why do you keep pointing it out? It is going to be this way until the end. So the Romney campaign hasn't pulled out old negatives from a year ago?
 
Mycroft said:
Perhaps Obama would have had better success by cooperating with the GOP.
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Surely, you're joking. Have you forgotten the republican fillabusters and the "you are a liar" flame in congress.
 
Carleen said:
It's negative on both sides, so why do you keep pointing it out? It is going to be this way until the end. So the Romney campaign hasn't pulled out old negatives from a year ago?
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Because posters bring this stuff to the table in an effort to carry on the negative campaigning right here on DP. Most liberals on this site are "campaigning" exactly the way Obama is -- when you can't brag about your record, try to cut the other guy's throat. Obama has spent 5 years blaming GWB for everything, including the sun rising in the east. Now? He knows that's a tired message. So. Time to attack the opposition -- just like he attacked Bush.
 
Government should help that man and his family. If government doesn't help then he is doomed.
 
Carleen said:
It's negative on both sides, so why do you keep pointing it out? It is going to be this way until the end. So the Romney campaign hasn't pulled out old negatives from a year ago?
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As far as I've seen, they've discussed the last 3.5ish years, which would be acceptable, since it's about running against Obama's policies.

Romney isn't calling for Obama's college transcripts (that's just the loony tunes on the right), he isn't challenging Obama's associations with Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers (again, just the loony tunes). Speaking about what was done specific to government action and in direct relation to the economy/constituents is totally fair game.

Digging into Romney's college career to find one instance of him being a jerk (allegedly), going back to one instance of Ryan trying to silence a guy at a parade (because Ryan was in the parade and therefore unable to have one-on-one's with constituents at that exact moment)....it's childish, unproductive, inappropriate, and above all else...tacky. And it reeks of desperation and tactical failure.

People who fail to see the difference between fake issue hate-mongering and legitimate policy concerns absolutely astound me.
 
MaggieD said:
Because posters bring this stuff to the table in an effort to carry on the negative campaigning right here on DP. Most liberals on this site are "campaigning" exactly the way Obama is -- when you can't brag about your record, try to cut the other guy's throat. Obama has spent 5 years blaming GWB for everything, including the sun rising in the east. Now? He knows that's a tired message. So. Time to attack the opposition -- just like he attacked Bush.
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It's called political hackery. Both sides do it and both sides claim the moral high ground.
 
tessaesque said:
As far as I've seen, they've discussed the last 3.5ish years, which would be acceptable, since it's about running against Obama's policies.

Romney isn't calling for Obama's college transcripts (that's just the loony tunes on the right), he isn't challenging Obama's associations with Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers (again, just the loony tunes). Speaking about what was done specific to government action and in direct relation to the economy/constituents is totally fair game.

Digging into Romney's college career to find one instance of him being a jerk (allegedly), going back to one instance of Ryan trying to silence a guy at a parade (because Ryan was in the parade and therefore unable to have one-on-one's with constituents at that exact moment)....it's childish, unproductive, inappropriate, and above all else...tacky. And it reeks of desperation and tactical failure.

People who fail to see the difference between fake issue hate-mongering and legitimate policy concerns absolutely astound me.
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Hate mongering? Where do you get that from? The hate mongering is coming from the repugs who will stop at nothing to totally discredit the pres.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
It's called political hackery. Both sides do it and both sides claim the moral high ground.
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I agree, unfortunately. Those who post Obusha, Hussein Obama -- partisan hacks, in my opinion. And not very creative at that.
 
Carleen said:
Hate mongering? Where do you get that from? The hate mongering is coming from the repugs who will stop at nothing to totally discredit the pres.
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Seriously? You honestly do not see the exact same hateful rhetoric from the left? Both sides stir up hateful, hyperbolic rhetoric to sway voters. From the left we've had such gems as:

Throw Grandma from a cliff
Romney forcefully cut a gay classmate's hair
Romney's greed caused a woman to die from cancer
Romney's greed cost millions of jobs (even though his business acumen created far more)
Romney coerced billions from the federal government for the Olympics (even though the fed itself says that isn't quite true)
Republicans hate women
"War on Women"


And there's plenty more. So pretending that the right is somehow cornering the market or more guilty? Factually and historically incorrect. Rejecting the flaws of your own side while simultaneously exaggerating the same flaws in the opposition destroys credibility and kills discourse. So why do it? What do you gain from it? Not much, honestly.
 
Hairytic said:
I trust Fox News about as much as I trust Glen Beck.
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You distrust a news report with a direct quote from the President? Perhaps you'd rather see a video?

 
MaggieD said:
Because posters bring this stuff to the table in an effort to carry on the negative campaigning right here on DP. Most liberals on this site are "campaigning" exactly the way Obama is -- when you can't brag about your record, try to cut the other guy's throat. Obama has spent 5 years blaming GWB for everything, including the sun rising in the east. Now? He knows that's a tired message. So. Time to attack the opposition -- just like he attacked Bush.
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And the repugs have spent 3 1/2 years of blaming Obama for everything that Bush did and stopping the pres from trying to get things done. They made it very clear that they will stop at nothing to make him a one term president. So, like I said, it will be negative on both sides until the election. Oh and I am still waiting to hear what Romney's plans for the country are. Haven't heard a word yet except negatives about the current administration.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
i THINK IT'S A FREE SPEECH ISSUE. No citizen should be stifiled from speaking his mind at a political event.
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So...you would say that one person's right to free speech should trump many other's right to enjoy a parade?
 
Carleen said:
And the repugs have spent 3 1/2 years of blaming Obama for everything that Bush did and stopping the pres from trying to get things done. They made it very clear that they will stop at nothing to make him a one term president. So, like I said, it will be negative on both sides until the election. Oh and I am still waiting to hear what Romney's plans for the country are. Haven't heard a word yet except negatives about the current administration.
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Then you haven't been listening. In addition to discussing his general plans, he's also said some fairly respectful things about the president and the opposition. Blinders are a funny thing. They can take just about any statement, no matter how innocuous, and turn it into something it isn't.
 
Carleen said:
And the repugs have spent 3 1/2 years of blaming Obama for everything that Bush did and stopping the pres from trying to get things done. They made it very clear that they will stop at nothing to make him a one term president. So, like I said, it will be negative on both sides until the election. Oh and I am still waiting to hear what Romney's plans for the country are. Haven't heard a word yet except negatives about the current administration.
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Mycroft said:
So...you would say that one person's right to free speech should trump many other's right to enjoy a parade?
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If you had watched the video you would see Ryan was approached before the parade! No one interrupted the actual parade but it appears very few Jaynesville residents were happy to see Ryan in their parade.
 
tessaesque said:
Then you haven't been listening. In addition to discussing his general plans, he's also said some fairly respectful things about the president and the opposition. Blinders are a funny thing. They can take just about any statement, no matter how innocuous, and turn it into something it isn't.
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Fairly respectful? Well knock me over with a feather, and what would those comments be?
 
Carleen said:
And the repugs have spent 3 1/2 years of blaming Obama for everything that Bush did and stopping the pres from trying to get things done. They made it very clear that they will stop at nothing to make him a one term president. So, like I said, it will be negative on both sides until the election. Oh and I am still waiting to hear what Romney's plans for the country are. Haven't heard a word yet except negatives about the current administration.
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"Repugs" tells me everything I need to know about you, Carleen. Thanks for the transparency. :rofl :rofl

Re Romney's plans. What does he have to do, FedX them to you??

Here's his stand on the issues: At surprise!!!! His website: http://www.mittromney.com/issues

Here's the 2012 Republican Platform: 2012 Gop Platform

Make Google your friend.
 
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