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The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Right

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Obama: "Plant will be here for another 100 YEARS... right here in Janesville, WI." - YouTube

I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give the assistance you need to retool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another 100 years. So, that’s our priority… I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America, I want it to thrive right here in Janesville, Wisconsin. And that’s the future I will fight for as president of the United States of America.

Ryan's speech

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: `I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.

Glenn Kessler is now a proven liar

Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown
 
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Ryan was clearly trying to put blame on Obama for the closing of that GM plant. It wasn't Obama's fault that the plant closed. Why did Ryan even bring Obama into the argument? What point was Ryan trying to make here? At the time Obama was giving his speech, he was making the case for supporting the auto industry bail out. Romney was making a case for letting the auto industry fail. The actual bail out happened after the GM plant closed. Then, when the auto industry bail out proved a success, Romney tried to take credit for it. So I don't see your point here.
 
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Ryan was clearly trying to put blame on Obama for the closing of that GM plant. It wasn't Obama's fault that the plant closed. Why did Ryan even bring Obama into the argument? What point was Ryan trying to make here? At the time Obama was giving his speech, he was making the case for supporting the auto industry bail out. Romney was making a case for letting the auto industry fail. The actual bail out happened after the GM plant closed. Then, when the auto industry bail out proved a success, Romney tried to take credit for it. So I don't see your point here.

I'll go ahead and quote Ryan's speech again

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: `I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.

Obama making promises he didn't keep

I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give the assistance you need to retool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another 100 years. So, that’s our priority… I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America, I want it to thrive right here in Janesville, Wisconsin. And that’s the future I will fight for as president of the United States of America.

Have a nice day
 
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Ryan has proven to be another big blowhard who only talks about how others have failed miserably. He knows the same old talk of cutting spending but when the bailout money was available there he was in line.

For a guy serving 13 yrs in congress what has he done to show for that 13 years?
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Ryan has proven to be another big blowhard who only talks about how others have failed miserably. He knows the same old talk of cutting spending but when the bailout money was available there he was in line.

For a guy serving 13 yrs in congress what has he done to show for that 13 years?

Very good point.
 
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I'll go ahead and quote Ryan's speech again



Obama making promises he didn't keep



Have a nice day

You seem to confuse "I believe" and "i promise". They don't mean the same thing. Also, the govt was not there to support gm before the plant closed. It closed before Obama had a chance to support them. Bad luck for that plant, but Obama saved GM.
 
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The last resort, tell truth its wrong.
 
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Obama didn't promise anything. It is the usual last resort of liars who have been found out to lash out at those who proved them wrong.

Deny, deny, deny and cast doubts on the person who found out that you had been lying.
 
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So obama is responsible for a plant closing before he was president. It is the great magic negro who controlled GWB and failed the economy through his administration. You right wing guys really give obama way too much credit, and your lies really suck. Why don't we blame mitt Romney now for the failed economy because clearly he has not done enough to save it. I guess we can blame Mitt for every business that closed before he was president now and this way we don't elect him to close those businesses.

The OP is evidence that uneducated people should not be allowed to vote.
 
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The key to rendering a conclusion about Obama, not Ryan, comes from the part that Ryan didn't include in his speech, where the he said: "And that’s the future I will fight for as president of the United States of America"


This leads as far as I can see, to only 2 possible conclusions:

a) Obama didn't fight for that future that would have kept that plant open.
b) Obama did fight for that future to keep that plant open, but his efforts didn't succeed.

That means that Obama was a either liar or a failure... Take your pick.

Was that some high quality spin or what?

ps... don't get me wrong, what I wrote is still true
 
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Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

The key to rendering a conclusion about Obama, not Ryan, comes from the part that Ryan didn't include in his speech, where the he said: "And that’s the future I will fight for as president of the United States of America"


This leads as far as I can see, to only 2 possible conclusions:

a) Obama didn't fight for that future that would have kept that plant open.
b) Obama did fight for that future to keep that plant open, but his efforts didn't succeed.

That means that Obama was a either liar or a failure... Take your pick.

Was that some high quality spin or what?

And the key to rendering a conclusion about your post comes from the part you didn't include about your quote. Where he said "And that’s the future I will fight for as president of the United States of America" he also said all of this in front of it.

The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your President.

He's talking about clean energy.

And here's the real kicker, Obama never promised to keep the plant open. He never used that word at all in that context, he said "I believe" not "I promise."
PolitiFact Wisconsin | Did Barack Obama break a promise to keep GM plant open?

http://www.gazetteextra.com/obama0213.pdf
 
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Ryan was clearly trying to put blame on Obama for the closing of that GM plant. It wasn't Obama's fault that the plant closed. Why did Ryan even bring Obama into the argument? What point was Ryan trying to make here?

That Obama promised that massive government intervention would save us and turn us into a green economy, and that promise failed miserably to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars?
 
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You seem to confuse "I believe" and "i promise". They don't mean the same thing. Also, the govt was not there to support gm before the plant closed. It closed before Obama had a chance to support them. Bad luck for that plant, but Obama saved GM.

Laughable. Obama didn't "save GM". He robbed billions from the taxpayers to pay off his UAW Cronies. GM still owes US 41 BILLION.

You're twisting yourself in knots trying to defend the indefensible. It's hilarious to watch.

Obama in Oct 2008

Reports that the GM plant I visited in Janesville may shut down sooner than expected are a painful reminder of the tough economic times facing working families across this country…As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.

The plant was open well into Obama's presidency and being touted in press releases that it would be used to make smaller cars of the future.

0626_SmallCarPlants

The Janesville plant was still on stand by as of 2011

GM Janesville plant still on standby - m.JSOnline.com

Barack Obama did not keep his promise. He lied.

Paul Ryan = 100% RIGHT

Have a nice day :2wave:
 
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And here's the real kicker, Obama never promised to keep the plant open. He never used that word at all in that context, he said "I believe" not "I promise."

Yup. And Ryan quoted him exactly.

That's the funny part about this. All the "fact checking" has gotten spun up about.... nothing. An argument that Ryan did not initially even make.
 
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Ryan has proven to be another big blowhard who only talks about how others have failed miserably. He knows the same old talk of cutting spending but when the bailout money was available there he was in line.

For a guy serving 13 yrs in congress what has he done to show for that 13 years?

Voted for a lot of deficit spending.

Guess what Ryan removed?

Paygo.

And he has the gall to say he's a fiscal conservative.
 
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Laughable. Obama didn't "save GM". He robbed billions from the taxpayers to pay off his UAW Cronies. GM still owes US 41 BILLION.

That would be incorrect (as you seemingly always are). First of all, the money would have been spent either way. Letting GM and Chrysler fail (as Bush noted) would be a huge shock to the economy. At least a million workers would be suddenly unemployed from direct car workers to parts manufacturers to raw material providers. The entire supply chain basically would have collapsed. And Romney is completely full of **** that they could have done a regular reorganization. Banks would not lend to each other for 8 hours to cover overnight reserve requirements. To think they would lend out $50 billion after Ford had already sucked up all of the existing liquidity is certifiable delusional and even worse coming from a finance guy who KNEW that there wasn't money out in the private sector to finance a reorganization. So that means that now automatic stabilizers kick in with a million more unemployed. Now let's consider all of the people those million now job less people bought from, from grocery stores to home painters. They just lost a million customers. They cut back or go out of business. Don't think this happens? What happens to a city when a major military base closes? Businesses fold up, jobs are lost, economic activity gets seriously curtailed. Same thing here. Losing a major buyer of plastics, electronics, metals and other materials would have caused massive job losses. Direct alone are huge. Indirect are worse. Tax revenue goes down, automatic stabilizers kick in. Either way, we're out huge gobs of money. What Bush and Obama did was buy time, fix the company's major problem and get them to a place where they can make money. Both are profitable now. Losing money on the stock, about $25 billion right now is not bad considering the potential damage otherwise.

The problem with partisan hacks like you is you never bother to do any economic analysis on your views. You just see something to hit Obama on and never ever ever do contextual critical thinking.

And the Union got the finger on this. Total shaft. Instead of having a lifeline to the company coffers, they are now responsible almost solely dependent on the stock they received. Essentially, not touching principle, the Union Trust has to live on dividends to pay out legacy costs. And the legacy costs are still unbelievably large. If GM does poorly in the future and issues no dividends, the Union Trust has to sell principle stock to make do. That further makes it harder to make ends meet down the line. Essentially the Union got the shaft here.

But hacks like you never analyze that.

Barack Obama did not keep his promise. He lied.

Paul Ryan = 100% RIGHT

Have a nice day :2wave:

Despite claims Obama is a Socialist, the fact the plant was set for closed down before the election is hardly Obama's fault. Obama does not control the auto companies. He cannot force them to open the factory. He cannot force them to make certain cars in that factory. It's hilarious watching Republicans bash Obama on being a Socialist and then attack him on this despite the fact that it proves he's not a Socialist.

Obama made a claim about helping the auto industry. The fact he cannot force the firms to open the plant does not mean he lied.

It's amusing watching rabid Republicans throw anything at the wall hoping something sticks even when it's blatantly hypocritical.

Actual Conservatives look at people like you and weep.
 
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So obama is responsible for a plant closing before he was president. It is the great magic negro who controlled GWB and failed the economy through his administration. You right wing guys really give obama way too much credit, and your lies really suck. Why don't we blame mitt Romney now for the failed economy because clearly he has not done enough to save it. I guess we can blame Mitt for every business that closed before he was president now and this way we don't elect him to close those businesses.

The OP is evidence that uneducated people should not be allowed to vote.

Well that is basically how Republicans went about Clinton. Clinton got blamed for stuff that was before his presidency.

Furthermore, the election causes some partisans who are already have a questionable grasp on reality to become quite unhinged.

Obama is a Socialist.....but he failed to keep a plant open? I'm sorry that makes no sense.
 
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You seem to confuse "I believe" and "i promise". They don't mean the same thing. Also, the govt was not there to support gm before the plant closed. It closed before Obama had a chance to support them. Bad luck for that plant, but Obama saved GM.

That's because you fail to see the world from their perspective:

To them, Obama is an all powerful dictator who can control the entire economy on his own. Everything is in his power. Including the ability to warp congress to his views. Therefore, his belief that government should be there to help is actually a command that prior to his presidency, he still had all power to do what he pleased. He's also a Marxist Socialist Kenyan Muslim who failed to get the economy going with a fully cooperating GOP who would do anything to help him. But he still failed despite being in complete control of the economy because he wants to destroy America.

The **** scary thing is, I'm joking but they aren't.
 
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Laughable. Obama didn't "save GM". He robbed billions from the taxpayers to pay off his UAW Cronies. GM still owes US 41 BILLION.

You're twisting yourself in knots trying to defend the indefensible. It's hilarious to watch.

Obama in Oct 2008



The plant was open well into Obama's presidency and being touted in press releases that it would be used to make smaller cars of the future.

0626_SmallCarPlants

The Janesville plant was still on stand by as of 2011

GM Janesville plant still on standby - m.JSOnline.com

Barack Obama did not keep his promise. He lied.

Paul Ryan = 100% RIGHT

Have a nice day :2wave:

From Wikipedia:

Janesville GM Assembly Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end.[14] On December 23, workers gathered at a ceremony to take photos with a banner reading "Last Vehicle off the Janesville Assembly Line". The last vehicle was sold in a raffle benefiting the United Way.[15]

2009

57 production employees continued assembly work at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant.[16]
2010-present

Rumors of the plant reopening due to GM placing the plant in 'standby' status are untrue. "A plant is never closed until it is officially closed during bargaining," said Kristin Dziczek, director of the Labor and Industry Group at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich. [17]

So let me guess, Wikipedia is wrong too?
 
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Voted for a lot of deficit spending.

Guess what Ryan removed?

Paygo.

And he has the gall to say he's a fiscal conservative.

:lol: paygo???


:lamo yeah, if there was one thing in Washington that the Democrats took seriously, it was paygo :)




Tell it to people who haven't heard you b-tch about Republicans insisting on actual paygo for the last couple of years :mrgreen:
 
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:lol: paygo???

:lamo yeah, if there was one thing in Washington that the Democrats took seriously, it was paygo :)

Tell it to people who haven't heard you b-tch about Republicans insisting on actual paygo for the last couple of years :mrgreen:

Must you always waste so much space?

I'm not saying the Democrats are better. But at least they didn't deficit fund a health care program that is more expensive and no better than regular Medicare.

My point is that Ryan is a joke when it comes to actual fiscal conservatism. He votes for deficit spending. His budget doesn't even come close to balancing the budget with LSD fueled assumptions and he removed a reconciliation measure JUST to get rid of ACA despite the fact it INCREASES the deficit.
 
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The whole problem is that facts do not matter anymore, at least not for politicians. If the facts do not line up with your stump speech, make something up. Obama does it, Ryan does it, Biden does it and Romney does it. They are all little or big liars and they feel inclined to lie about almost anything.
 
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The whole problem is that facts do not matter anymore, at least not for politicians. If the facts do not line up with your stump speech, make something up. Obama does it, Ryan does it, Biden does it and Romney does it. They are all little or big liars and they feel inclined to lie about almost anything.

And at this point, virtually everyone has already decided how they're voting. The lies now are just to get the base fired up. People who get upset over the lies aren't going to vote for that candidate anyways so it doesn't pay to be honest. The more you lie in way that gets your base out to vote, the better your outcome is.

America is essentially screwed because too many of us don't bother to critically think in the election.

If we did, we'd have a real third party by now.
 
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I live in Janesville. I don't care what any news article says, or what that douche Ryan says. That plant was finished long before Obama took office.
 
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