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The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Right

Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Which would have happened if we let them fail. Bailing them out only refilled their pockets.

Uh, no again. Nobody would have gone to jail. That's why it happened in the first place. They get a free ride. They've got that firmly in place.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

The Great One Mark Levin said .. "Liberalism is the Philosophy of the Stupid"

I Love the USA.
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Very very true. Thanks again for your welcome.

My pleasure... thank you for noticing my awesome signature... The Great One...Mark Levin...he really is a great listen..
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

She didn't say GWB's bailout program for GM/Chysler failed; she said it was restructed under Pres. Obama and as a result saved taxpayers money. Big difference. But I digress...

Why are we having yet another discussion on the Janesville, WI GM Plant closing? It's already been well established that:

- Sen. Obama didn't "promise" that the plant wouldn't close; he simply stated that with government assistance the plant might remain open for another century.
- The plant officially closed in April 2009, but the decision was made by GM executives long before Obama was in the White House

So, why are we debating this issue again? http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...ving-auto-plant-closed-under-bush-w-56-a.html Mods, can you merge the two threads, please?

Thanks!

Actually her words were it was different. My view is that the difference did not delay bankruptcy. Bankruptcy could have wiped the slate clean while also ruining some lives of those who took their wages and purchased stock. I dunno why it came up.

How do you figure that adding his billions to the Bush 25 billion hand out saved money? He could have saved money by not adding to the Bush total. I complain that Obama hogs all the credit and Bush gets zippo. Nada.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Different you claim. But rather than discuss the Bush plan, you changed to Mitt Romney. Bear in mind that Bush's aim was to prevent bankruptcy not promote it. Still, you claim Bush failed. But Obama walked arm in arm with the Bush agenda. Obama stood with Bush on how to get out of Iraq. Obama followed the Bush plan. As to Afghanistan, Obama has put over 100,000 of our troops up on his chopping block to get killed in Afghanistan. Obama can't conquer Afghanistan using his tactics. His stragegy seems to be go there, linnger until 2014 then bray he got the toops out. He put them there. And he will be gone when they finally do leave. Obama's bail out was tens of billions higher. Look it up. If boooting out the investers was such a great deal, don't you think investors will really hold back prior to any investment? What Obama takes full credit for is if the congress backs him in anything he then runs to lead the parade. When Congress worked on the ACA, Obama stood back then took the credit for what Congress did. And those were your guys he snubbed by taking all the credit.

You must think you are cute to allege Obama is a low spender. ROFLMAO. Now I understand more about his supporters. They really don't know the facts so they come up with things that are so bogus. I think you are excusing Obama for no budget so he won't get any blame. LOL

Anybody with a brain knows Obama's deficits alone for his time in office top the deficits by Bush for 8 years.

Obama honored the US obligation when it comes to Iraq. I wouldn't say Obama followed the Bush plan because it was the best plan. Bush has already locked that plan in. In order to keep the US reputation, the Bush plan had to be honored. Obama didn't follow the same plan as Bush did. You said Bush tried to avoid bankruptcy for the auto industry, but he failed. Also Bush bailed the banks out without requiring them to pay it back. Obama's plan required the banks and the auto industry to pay the money back. Bush didn't focus enough on Afghanistan. Obama was against the wars, but found an exit strategy from Afghanistan and is implementing it. Obama honored the free market idea when it came to investors. The free market does not guarantee a profit for investments. Why should the investors be protected by the US government?
As for the Obama spending article, you will have to take that up with the author.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Obama honored the US obligation when it comes to Iraq. I wouldn't say Obama followed the Bush plan because it was the best plan. Bush has already locked that plan in. In order to keep the US reputation, the Bush plan had to be honored. Obama didn't follow the same plan as Bush did. You said Bush tried to avoid bankruptcy for the auto industry, but he failed. Also Bush bailed the banks out without requiring them to pay it back. Obama's plan required the banks and the auto industry to pay the money back. Bush didn't focus enough on Afghanistan. Obama was against the wars, but found an exit strategy from Afghanistan and is implementing it. Obama honored the free market idea when it came to investors. The free market does not guarantee a profit for investments. Why should the investors be protected by the US government?
As for the Obama spending article, you will have to take that up with the author.

I wrote a great reply to your claims that refutted most of them. Then the system timed out and though I tried, could not get the reply to stick.

How can I get the timer to give me a bit more time on the clock before it says I am not logged in?
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

I wrote a great reply to your claims that refutted most of them. Then the system timed out and though I tried, could not get the reply to stick.

How can I get the timer to give me a bit more time on the clock before it says I am not logged in?

I have not experienced that here, but I have written papers for college and didn't save along the way and ended up losing everything. I would have loved to have read what you wrote. You are one of the more respectful Libertarians here and it makes the conversation much more enjoyable.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Which is what I expected.

If you didn't think that Obama was a Socialist, you'd freely admit it.

You refuse. Seems I was on the target once again. You just didn't like me showing you're a hypocrite before you even made the comment.

This is how a good debater works. They remove their opponent's argument before they can make it. Leaving them without anything of substance to say.

Case in point: You.

I'm still happy to drop the line, if you agree to the following:

You think that Obama is not a Socialist nor a Marxist. Agree?

Prove me wrong. Agree that you think Obama is not a Socialist or a Marxist.

Failure to do so means everything I said is entirely correct.

It would be much better for debate if you just prove you are right instead. Failure to do so means your strawman argument is nothing but an attempt to win an argument that has not even been argued!
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

When in doubt quote the VP and say he proves his own point.

In the video he said IF your government is there to support you. Too bad the plant closed before Obama had a chance to save it. If Romney or Ryan were President many more plants would've closed.
 
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Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

It would be much better for debate if you just prove you are right instead. Failure to do so means your strawman argument is nothing but an attempt to win an argument that has not even been argued!

IMO - he made excellent points, reasoned and logical.

If you believe something to be true (e.g. Obama is a Marxist) please provide the proof.

Reviewing your exchange, going back a few pages, reading his post, your reply, then his reply and so on... He makes his case, clear and to the point. You mostly responded with snarky remarks avoiding or dodging questions he asked you. IMO.

I'm not sure you understand what a straw man is. When you make a partisan attack statement that you know is far-fetched or false (e.g. Obama is a Marxist) and someone calls you out, asking for proof or some type of reasoning, that is not a "straw man". And backpedaling on previous false statements, rolling back something you said, does not necessarily make paraphrasing of your previous false statement a straw man.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Time to review who done it to you

OK - DO YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?

Just a reminder for all those times we hear our friends on the left blaming the right for the financial malaise.

Some people have short memories…..
DO YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?

I’ve been saying this for years, but this email probably explains it
better and more clearly. This is NOT a political message, but rather
a clarification to remind us all of the correct facts.

Remember that on October 9, 2007, 11 months before our “economic
crisis” occurred (that was actually created), the Dow hit its highest
point ever, closing at 14,164.53 and reaching 14,198.10 intra-day
level 2 days later. Unemployment was steady at 4.7%. But things were
already being put in place to create the havocwe’ve all been experiencing since then. And it all started, as this email explains,on January 3, 2 007. .. LFL

I'm sending this to each of you regardless of your party preferences
because I believe it is something you may not have considered.

This tells the story, why Bush was so “bad” at the end of his term.

Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let
it sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!

The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
actually January 3rd 2007, which was the day the Democrats took over
the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the
110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the
first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy
that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this: January 3rd, 2007
was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress.

At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months
later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL
SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping
5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in
2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie
Mac? OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.

So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007....
THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 &
2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused
them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush
entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running
until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a
massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the
last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five
years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After
that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that
includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a
nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted
for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since
January 20th.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

IMO - he made excellent points, reasoned and logical.

If you believe something to be true (e.g. Obama is a Marxist) please provide the proof.

Reviewing your exchange, going back a few pages, reading his post, your reply, then his reply and so on... He makes his case, clear and to the point. You mostly responded with snarky remarks avoiding or dodging questions he asked you. IMO.

I'm not sure you understand what a straw man is. When you make a partisan attack statement that you know is far-fetched or false (e.g. Obama is a Marxist) and someone calls you out, asking for proof or some type of reasoning, that is not a "straw man". And backpedaling on previous false statements, rolling back something you said, does not necessarily make paraphrasing of your previous false statement a straw man.

Maybe you can show me where I stated in this thread anything about socialism or Marxism and 0bama, his points were a strawman argument since I did not make them, which is the whole point of him assuming airs about winning an argument that never happened. All I said in this thread was that 0bama was irresponsible in implying a promise to those people about changing their future if he was elected. You and the other party inserted "Obama is a Marxist" into the thread just to argue a point that I DID NOT MAKE !
 
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The point always made by Democrats on one industry but trashed on another industry stuns my senses.

Take the Auto industry. NEVER do they want any credit for saving the auto industry to be given to President Bush.
Bush handed them 25 billion dollars and that is not pocket change. It is real money. But Obama parades around, flipping his face first hard right, then hard left, taking all the credit for the bail out.

Watch Mitt Romney use the teleprompter than pay attention to Obama. Romney as all good speakers should, addresses all the audience. Obama addresses the two teleprompters. Not the audience. HE talks AT the teleprompters.

Romney in using them, looks at the audience including the audience to his direct front. I have never seen such a poor use of the teleprompter as Obama displays.

But I want to draw attention to the industries spoken of by Democrats.

When Bush funded the finance industry, they had to pay the Government back. And have paid back and a lot more in profit to the Feds.

Why revile the finance industry? They have millions of workers. Bush saved those jobs yet Obama can't bear to give him credit.

But Bush also led the way in funding the auto industry and his 25 billion cash infusion to the auto industry surely saved jobs if Obama plans to keep claiming he saved those jobs. Obama lies. When he ignores what Bush did for the Auto industry to hog all the credit, he lies.
 
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It would be much better for debate if you just prove you are right instead. Failure to do so means your strawman argument is nothing but an attempt to win an argument that has not even been argued!

I'm not asking you to do much.

A simple agree or disagree is all that is required. It's really easy. Pretty reply, type "agree" add 5 more characters and press post.

Yet you can't do this. Why is that?
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Condition: when rush limbaugh stops telling him that he is.

Notice how he cannot bring himself to answer it.

He attacks me for preempting him but when freely given the choice to agree or disagree and get the whole thing throw out, he won't do it.

Seems to me that I just pulled the rug out from him and now he has nothing.
 
Re: The Death Of So Called Liberal Fact Checkers: Video Proof Paul Ryan Was 100% Righ

Notice how he cannot bring himself to answer it.

He attacks me for preempting him but when freely given the choice to agree or disagree and get the whole thing throw out, he won't do it.

Seems to me that I just pulled the rug out from him and now he has nothing.
Attack you ?
Quote me in this thread where I said anything about socialism, communism or Marxism and 0bama ! You can't do this. Why is that?
It is because you are continuing to argue over a strawman put their for your own vanity when YOU HAVE NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO CONTRIBUTE !!!
 
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