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Paul Ryan -- Maggie apologizes in advance. ;)

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Forgive me for posting up an email I received...but I think it's read-worthy:

Well, early Saturday morning, Aug.11th we learned that Congressman Paul Ryan, Republican from Wisconsin, was Mitt Romney's pick for thenext Vice President of The United States.

What are we to think of this selection? He's not a graduate of Columbia University. He's not a graduate of Harvard. He wasn't selected as the President of the Harvard Law Review. He didn't get a special free quota scholarship ride to any prestigious university and, instead, had to work his way through Miami University of Ohio. For God's sake the man drove the Oscar Mayer Wiener Truck one summer and waited tables another!

One morning when Paul Ryan was sixteen years old he went in to wake his father up and found him dead of a heart attack. He didn't write two books about that experience. Instead, he assumed the role of adult at an early age, never having the luxury to pursue youthful drug use and the art of socialist revolution.

Instead, Paul Ryan and his mother took his grandmother, suffering from Alzheimer, into the household and served as the primary care provider for his grandma. His grandma wasn't the Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii so she could offer nothing in return, except the element of "need".

Once Paul Ryan got his BA in Economics from Miami University of Ohio he was hired as a staff economist in Wisconsin Senator Kastin'soffice. The job must have not paid well because young Ryan moonlighted as a waiter and fitness trainer. No one offered him a "token honor" position at the University of Chicago and a $200,000 dollar a year salary.

When a still young Paul Ryan returned to Wisconsin to run for Congress he didn't demonize his opponent and dig up dirt to shovel against him. He waited until the standing Congressman vacated the office before seeking the office. In Janesville, Wisconsin they don't have a big political machine to promote you, to criminalize your opponent; instead Paul Ryan had to go door to door and sit at kitchen tables and listen to his future constituents.

After getting elected to Congress Paul Ryan didn't triumphantly march into Washington, buy himself a Georgetown townhouse and proceed over to K Street to rub elbows with lobbyists. He bunked in his Congressional office and used the house gym for showers and a fresh change ofclothes.

Paul Ryan then married and took his bride back to Janesville. He lives on the same street he lived on as a kid and shares the neighborhood with eight other members of the Ryan clan. He hunts with the local Janesville hunt club and attends PTA meetings and other civic functions.

For those who can't make those public functions, Paul Ryan bought an old bread truck, converted it into a "mobile constituent office" and drives around to meet with those who need his help and attention.

No, I don't know if we can vote for a guy like this. He doesn't have a regal pedigree; he's Irish for God's sake! No one awarded him a Nobel Peace Prize two months after getting elected. No one threw flowers or got "chills down their leg" as a he took his seat in Congress.

What is most despicable about Paul Ryan is that he has had the nerve to write the House Budget for three years in a row. He's is brazen and heartless in advocating in that budget for a $5 trillion dollar reduction in federal spending over the next ten years! The House passed his budget three years in a row and three years in a row the Democratically controlled Senate has let it die in the upper house, without ever proposing a budget of their own. What is wrong with this guy? If Congress were to cut $5 trillion dollars from the budget where would the President get the money to give $500 million dollars to a bankrupt Solyndra? Or $200 million dollars for bankrupt Energy 1? Or $11 billion dollars to illegal aliens filing INIT, non-resident tax returns to claim $11 billion big ones in child tax credits, even for their children living in Mexico?

I don't know. Paul Ryan seems heartless to me. He keeps wanting to cut government waste, he keeps wanting to put a halt to those big GSA conventions in Vegas and, worse, he keeps trying to make people look at that $16.7 trillion dollar deficit! The guy's no fun at all!

Who wants a numbers cruncher? Who wants someone spoiling the party by showing folks the bill? Nothing will spoil a party quicker than sending the host the bill before the party's over.

Party Hearty folks! .... at least until November.

Interesting perspective, don't you think?
 
Forgive me for posting up an email I received...but I think it's read-worthy:



Interesting perspective, don't you think?

Sounds like a populist perspective. But if all that salt of the earth stuff matters to you, why on earth would you vote for Romney?
 
Sounds like a populist perspective. But if all that salt of the earth stuff matters to you, why on earth would you vote for Romney?

Romney comes off as more "salt of the earth" than President Obama to me. I don't really know why. It probably has something to do with his charity, his wife's illness, his 20+ foster children, his church, his family life, and the fact that, although he is richer than God he would put himself and his family through what they're going through for the altruistic purpose of leading our country. (In case this reads facetiously, it's not so intended.)

Edit: Oh! And thank you for not being a smart ass. Ha!
 
Romney comes off as more "salt of the earth" than President Obama to me. I don't really know why. It probably has something to do with his charity, his wife's illness, his 20+ foster children, his church, his family life, and the fact that, although he is richer than God he would put himself and his family through what they're going through for the altruistic purpose of leading our country. (In case this reads facetiously, it's not so intended.)

Edit: Oh! And thank you for not being a smart ass. Ha!

Well, I read the e-mail and it's got some good points. It certainly makes me like Ryan. But then, it seems counterproductive. Romney's at the top of the ticket, and he's about as far from a working class background as the monopoly guy.

I mean, Obama's more of a stereotypical limousine liberal, but Romney's is from the upper class, whereas Obama's just an upper middle class guy who did well.
 
Well, I read the e-mail and it's got some good points. It certainly makes me like Ryan. But then, it seems counterproductive. Romney's at the top of the ticket, and he's about as far from a working class background as the monopoly guy.

I mean, Obama's more of a stereotypical limousine liberal, but Romney's is from the upper class, whereas Obama's just an upper middle class guy who did well.

I agree. I've never paid much attention to what "class" someone is in -- if they treat me right -- or, if I don't know them but think they treat other people right? That's all that's ever mattered to me. I liked the email because it was in stark contrast to President Obama.

Edit: I have a half sister. I wasn't raised with her, and I see her, probably, twice a year. President Obama's half-brother bothers me . . .
 
I agree. I've never paid much attention to what "class" someone is in -- if they treat me right -- or, if I don't know them but think they treat other people right? That's all that's ever mattered to me. I liked the email because it was in stark contrast to President Obama.

Morally, we are all equal. But socially, class determines everything.

Romney's class is the epitome of rarified. For all the harping on Obama's "foreignness" and so on from the Romney campaign, it is really Romney, being part of the global elite, that can't relate to your average American. Like the way he refers to "sport" instead of "sports."

Does having working-class Tea Partier Paul Ryan on the ticket balance Romney out? I am getting the impression that that was their strategy.

Personally, I can't say that the caste a person belongs to should be a consideration. It should be about ideas.

And if it's about ideas, again I'm disappointed the ticket isn't the other way around, because I like Ryan's ideas a hell of a lot better than Romney's ideas.
 
Edit: I have a half sister. I wasn't raised with her, and I see her, probably, twice a year. President Obama's half-brother bothers me . . .

Not everybody is close with half-siblings.
 
Not everybody is close with half-siblings.

I get that; but President Obama really had a very strong attachment to his absent father . . . one would think that a charitable person would honor that connection by helping out his half-brother. A very small amount of money could make a huge difference in his life. I understand that there are probably other considerations, but it's always struck me as odd.
 
I get that; but President Obama really had a very strong attachment to his absent father . . . one would think that a charitable person would honor that connection by helping out his half-brother. A very small amount of money could make a huge difference in his life. I understand that there are probably other considerations, but it's always struck me as odd.

I don't really know the situation, I really only even know about Obama's half brother from listening to Sean Hannity on the radio.

If the idea is that the half brother is living in poverty despite Obama's success, it could very well be that receiving charity would hurt the half brother's pride.

I mean, who really knows what is going on there. But I doubt Obama is holding money back from family members in need. Isn't that a pretty terrible thing to assume about someone without all the facts?
 
What is sounds like is party propaganda.

1. I read some whining about Obama and Harvard and how he attended that school. Sorry for all you republicans, but Mitt the wonder boy also went to harvard and stanford.

2. We heard the republicans complain that Romney was attacked for being a success? How is this piece any different, it attack Obama for having been a success in his life.

3. Obama might have written 2 books, but guess what so has Romney about his life's experiences.

Populist ramblings and a sob story about how Ryan had it so hard and Obama lived the life of plenty and is being respected. :roll:
 
Is Ryan's story a "sob story"? I find it inspiring.
 
I don't really know the situation, I really only even know about Obama's half brother from listening to Sean Hannity on the radio.

If the idea is that the half brother is living in poverty despite Obama's success, it could very well be that receiving charity would hurt the half brother's pride.

I mean, who really knows what is going on there. But I doubt Obama is holding money back from family members in need. Isn't that a pretty terrible thing to assume about someone without all the facts?

Yes, it is, and I don't have them. Neither do you, apparently. I can say that I've read more than once about an Obama aunt who lives here in the U.S. who has faced troubles. Can't recall the President commenting at all or any action being reported. This isn't to say that he hasn't acted. Maybe somebody has the facts.
 
What is sounds like is party propaganda.

1. I read some whining about Obama and Harvard and how he attended that school. Sorry for all you republicans, but Mitt the wonder boy also went to harvard and stanford.

2. We heard the republicans complain that Romney was attacked for being a success? How is this piece any different, it attack Obama for having been a success in his life.

3. Obama might have written 2 books, but guess what so has Romney about his life's experiences.

Populist ramblings and a sob story about how Ryan had it so hard and Obama lived the life of plenty and is being respected. :roll:

The only whining I've heard about Obama's college experiences has been the whining that goes along with the president keeping his college records on ice. I don't this this piece attacks Obama for being successful. I think it just draws a comparison between the two.

I find his story inspiring. I'm surprised you don't.
 
The only whining I've heard about Obama's college experiences has been the whining that goes along with the president keeping his college records on ice. I don't this this piece attacks Obama for being successful. I think it just draws a comparison between the two.

I find his story inspiring. I'm surprised you don't.

I would find his story nice reading material if it said this:
Paul Ryan had to work his way through Miami University of Ohio. He showed that he was not too good to do jobs others might have refused to do like driving the Oscar Mayer Wiener Truck one summer and waiting tables another.

One morning when Paul Ryan was sixteen years old he went in to wake his father up and found him dead of a heart attack. He assumed the role of adult at an early age. Together with his family they took in his grandmother who was suffering from Alzheimer, and he worked with his family to be give his grandmother a great life even though she suffered from asthma, he did this out of the goodness of his own heart.

Once Paul Ryan got his BA in Economics from Miami University of Ohio he was hired as a staff economist in Wisconsin Senator Kastin'soffice. The job must have not paid well because young Ryan moonlighted as a waiter and fitness trainer.

When a still young Paul Ryan returned to Wisconsin to run for Congress and waited until the standing Congressman vacated the office before seeking the office. In Janesville, Wisconsin he lead by example. In Janesville there was no big political party apparatus, he had to do it himself by going door to door and sit at kitchen tables and by listening to his future constituents.

After getting elected to Congress Paul Ryan bunked in his Congressional office and used the house gym for showers and a fresh change of clothes.

Paul Ryan then married and took his bride back to Janesville. He lives on the same street he lived on as a kid and shares the neighborhood with eight other members of the Ryan clan. He hunts with the local Janesville hunt club and attends PTA meetings and other civic functions.

For those who can't make those public functions, Paul Ryan bought an old bread truck, converted it into a "mobile constituent office" and drives around to meet with those who need his help and attention.

What actually was written was not about him, it was a means to and end, a story bad mouthing Obama for living in Chicago, for attending a good school, for writing 2 books, for being given a nobel price and for being popular, so yes, it is a sob story about how the evil Obama got all the attention and the deserving little Ryan did not, boooohhhoooo. :roll:
 
Sounds like a populist perspective. But if all that salt of the earth stuff matters to you, why on earth would you vote for Romney?

They forgot to mention his family is rich, a $7.50 million fortune from a family tradition of living off the Govt. "teat" as you guys put it. You see all the Ryan's family fortune came from Govt. contracts to build roads.
Not to mention, Ryan has spent half his life in Washington the whole time spent making himself one of the most powerful men in D.C. . Yet he is a "grass roots" Teaparty favorite. Go figure.
 
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They forgot to mention his family is rich, made wealthy from a family tradition of living off the Govt. "teat" as you guys put it. You see all the Ryan's family fortune came from Govt. contracts to build roads.
Not to mention, Ryan has spent half his life in Washington the whole time spent making himself one of the most powerful men in D.C. . Yet he is a "grass roots" Teaparty favorite. Go figure.

Well, there you go.
 
Where do you get "evil Obama" out of the e-mail in the OP?

- He didn't write two books about that experience (unlike Obama)
- he's not a graduate of Columbia University. He's not a graduate of Harvard (unlike Obama)
- He wasn't selected as the President of the Harvard Law Review (unlike Obama)
- never having the luxury to pursue youthful drug use and the art of socialist revolution (unlike Obama)
- His grandma wasn't the Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii so she could offer nothing in return (unlike Obama)
- No one offered him a "token honor" position at the University of Chicago and a $200,000 dollar a year salary. (unlike Obama)
- he didn't demonize his opponent and dig up dirt to shovel against him (unlike Obama)
- In Janesville, Wisconsin they don't have a big political machine to promote you, to criminalize your opponent (unlike Obama had of course)
- Paul Ryan didn't triumphantly march into Washington, buy himself a Georgetown townhouse and proceed over to K Street to rub elbows with lobbyists (unlike Obama)
- He doesn't have a regal pedigree (unlike Obama)
- he's Irish for God's sake! (unlike Obama)
- no one awarded him a Nobel Peace Prize two months after getting elected. (unlike Obama)
- No one threw flowers or got "chills down their leg" as a he took his seat in Congress. (unlike Obama)


I just filled in the blanks the writer left out but intended to be read there.
 
Romney comes off as more "salt of the earth" than President Obama to me.

This is a perspective i don't get at all. First I have the problem of viewing anyone who has gotten to the upper state or federal level in politics to be an honest and good person. You just don't get there without climbing over other people, lying, backstabbing, and figuratively eating your own. On top of that you do not get to be the head of a company like bain and bring it up to the levels it was at by being a good person concerned with others. Hard work is not there either because it is much more about who you were born to, who you know, and the places you go. On top of that you do not get to be in front on one of the biggest cults in america without being willing to sacrifice your own brother. I just think if "salt of the earth" is something you are looking for the world of american politics is not where you will find that quality, and even then I don't think a spoiled little rich boy is going to be above anyone in that category.

Let us face it, obama and romney are politicians. They make promises and try to tell people what they want to hear. The problems america has we all made, but i doubt that an elected official who has an obligation to lie to people and make them feel good about themselves is going to say the hard truth. We want money, riches, and power and simply those are finite qualities that everyone cannot have at once. Romney sells the same dreams obama does. He tells people it can be theirs too. I believe it as much from him as i ever did from obama. If he wants to make me believe him I want an Open invitation to his country clubs and the places where he meets his friends so i can network also. Without giving me access, and the rest of the country for that matter, top the people and places where the real money lives I don't see how we are going to share in either of their wealth and success. The levels they allow the middle and upper middle are not even close to the levels they have.

These are not people who worked hard for what they got. They inherited what they have. They are all people who would die if you had them work like the poor. People who have to do a job wouldn't even let obama or Romney hold something for a real worker. If you think either of them are strong like the salt of the earth you are just fooling yourself. As for who is better given the choice between crap and ****, It is clearly Obama. As for ryan, i really don't think the sycophant ass kisser is superior to either of them. Mitt will turn on a dime, and Ryan will get the whiplash because his head is rammed so far up Mitt's ass.
I don't really know why. It probably has something to do with his charity, his wife's illness, his 20+ foster children, his church, his family life, and the fact that, although he is richer than God he would put himself and his family through what they're going through for the altruistic purpose of leading our country. (In case this reads facetiously, it's not so intended.)

Altruistic? Do you even have a clue what you are saying? There is no altruism in government. No one gets to be president caring about the people. He is not here for you. if he wanted to help you he could easily hire you or just offer you more money than you will ever see in your life. A person who cares about the people doesn't send jobs overseas to save a couple of dollars for himself. A person like that pays his taxes and does not hide his money in the caymans. A person like that things medical coverage for all people is important and does something about it. A person like that Doesn't waste hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on caring for a ballarina horse when he could give that to the needy people.

Mitt cares about making money. He even says that flat out. he is a businessman, and that is his best characteristic. he did not decide one day he wanted to help the people. he realized that he can make more money by changing the rules that regulate his businesses. the rules he hides his money from. He has not even mentioned one altruistic idea to help anyone but the rich. You have a really ****ed up idea of what altruism is. people like you deserve to be in the care of Mitt romney, and if i could give you your wish without putting the rest of us in his care i most certainly would. Seriously, him and his friends could buy a country and take all of you to live there as their guests. Why don't they? because America is still the market that protects them. This is a man who would deny you medicine on your death bed if you couldn't afford it. This is a man who would deny you food if you were starving. This is a man who would rather have a dollar in his pocket than you on this planet, yet you think he cares about you?

That is the biggest republican delusion out there.
 
That's certainly a sunny political portrait.

What are we to think of this selection? He's not a graduate of Columbia University. He's not a graduate of Harvard. He wasn't selected as the President of the Harvard Law Review. He didn't get a special free quota scholarship ride to any prestigious university and, instead, had to work his way through Miami University of Ohio. For God's sake the man drove the Oscar Mayer Wiener Truck one summer and waited tables another!

He also used the social security money from his father's death to pay for his tuition.
And, for that matter, both of the Obamas accrued significant student loans, not "free quota scholarship rides." Contrast that to Romney, who had to sell of some of his investments to make ends meet.

Once Paul Ryan got his BA in Economics from Miami University of Ohio he was hired as a staff economist in Wisconsin Senator Kastin'soffice. The job must have not paid well because young Ryan moonlighted as a waiter and fitness trainer. No one offered him a "token honor" position at the University of Chicago and a $200,000 dollar a year salary.

Funny, I was under the impression that Obama actually served as a lecturer at the University of Chicago. As for the salary, I imagine that would be a reference to his earnings while serving in the Senate. Never mind that Ryan is now earning $174,000 as a Congressman.

Instead, Paul Ryan and his mother took his grandmother, suffering from Alzheimer, into the household and served as the primary care provider for his grandma. His grandma wasn't the Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii so she could offer nothing in return, except the element of "need".

Is this seriously suggesting that Barack Obama only cared about his grandmother, who practically raised him, because she was the vice president of a Hawaiian bank?

When a still young Paul Ryan returned to Wisconsin to run for Congress he didn't demonize his opponent and dig up dirt to shovel against him. He waited until the standing Congressman vacated the office before seeking the office. In Janesville, Wisconsin they don't have a big political machine to promote you, to criminalize your opponent; instead Paul Ryan had to go door to door and sit at kitchen tables and listen to his future constituents.

Ahhhh, Janesville. City of 63,000 of the purest darn folks you ever did see. And oh gosh, that Paul Ryan waiting for a successful local incumbent to step down rather than challenge him directly. Given his involvement in politics since high school, there's no way that was a calculated move, right? Simply the goodness of his little ol' heart. And it's not like he's using that little ol' heart to demonize his opponent now, eh?

I don't think it's worth spending my morning going through this point by point, because it is what it is. A sentimental piece of propaganda that glosses over Ryan's faults and exaggerates Obama's. Just another chain email that "feels right."

Considering the fact that Ryan is proving himself to be an extremely proficient and willing liar, I'd take every little "fact" swirling around him with a grain of salt.
 
I would find his story nice reading material if it said this:

What actually was written was not about him, it was a means to and end, a story bad mouthing Obama for living in Chicago, for attending a good school, for writing 2 books, for being given a nobel price and for being popular, so yes, it is a sob story about how the evil Obama got all the attention and the deserving little Ryan did not, boooohhhoooo. :roll:

It didn't strike me that way at all. I was, however, struck by the contrast.

That's not actually true.

Obama's Irish??

This is a perspective i don't get at all. First I have the problem of viewing anyone who has gotten to the upper state or federal level in politics to be an honest and good person. You just don't get there without climbing over other people, lying, backstabbing, and figuratively eating your own.

Wow. I don't think Obama is that bad. How ridiculous that you would consider even voting for him in light of your opinion of him. Unbelievable.

On top of that you do not get to be the head of a company like bain and bring it up to the levels it was at by being a good person concerned with others. Hard work is not there either because it is much more about who you were born to, who you know, and the places you go. On top of that you do not get to be in front on one of the biggest cults in america without being willing to sacrifice your own brother.

How would you know how hard he worked? Christ, he didn't have to work at all. But he did. If you think success in life is all about who birthed you, who you know, and the places you go, I am sorry. Your public schooling has failed you.

Your last line? About his brother? That is not true. I asked you to provide a link for this ridiculous statement; not surprisingly, you bowed out of the thread. Here you are again asserting that lie. Get a new schtick.

I just think if "salt of the earth" is something you are looking for the world of american politics is not where you will find that quality, and even then I don't think a spoiled little rich boy is going to be above anyone in that category.

Another poster used the "salt of the earth" phrase, not me. I merely responded to his interpretation of the email. "Spoiled little rich boys" don't work their asses off to bring something to the table. Paris Hilton fits your generalization. Certainly not Mitt Romney.

Let us face it, obama and romney are politicians.

Mitt Romney is not a politician. Mitt Romney is a successful businessman.

They make promises and try to tell people what they want to hear. The problems america has we all made, but i doubt that an elected official who has an obligation to lie to people and make them feel good about themselves is going to say the hard truth.

Baloney!! Romney is giving us the hard truth. Ryan is giving us the hard truth. But Liberals don't want to hear it. Our country is on the edge of a precipice. The American people voted for Hope and Change. Some small few of us voted for Obama because they thought he was going to pay their mortgages. All were disappointed. Washington as usual. Politics as usual.

If he wants to make me believe him I want an Open invitation to his country clubs and the places where he meets his friends so i can network also. Without giving me access, and the rest of the country for that matter, to the people and places where the real money lives I don't see how we are going to share in either of their wealth and success. The levels they allow the middle and upper middle are not even close to the levels they have.

And there you have it. "Without access I cannot be successful." That crap may make one feel comfortable for not striving to do better...for not taking the risks that one needs to take to be successful...for not believing in ones' self. But it's hogwash.

These are not people who worked hard for what they got. They inherited what they have. They are all people who would die if you had them work like the poor. People who have to do a job wouldn't even let obama or Romney hold something for a real worker. If you think either of them are strong like the salt of the earth you are just fooling yourself. As for who is better given the choice between crap and ****, It is clearly Obama. As for ryan, i really don't think the sycophant ass kisser is superior to either of them. Mitt will turn on a dime, and Ryan will get the whiplash because his head is rammed so far up Mitt's ass.

I feel sorry for you. You must be miserable with your lot in life.

You have a really ****ed up idea of what altruism is. people like you deserve to be in the care of Mitt romney, and if i could give you your wish without putting the rest of us in his care i most certainly would. Seriously, him and his friends could buy a country and take all of you to live there as their guests. Why don't they? because America is still the market that protects them. This is a man who would deny you medicine on your death bed if you couldn't afford it. This is a man who would deny you food if you were starving. This is a man who would rather have a dollar in his pocket than you on this planet, yet you think he cares about you?

That is the biggest republican delusion out there.

Get back to me when you've taken in 20+ foster children.
 
I get that; but President Obama really had a very strong attachment to his absent father . . . one would think that a charitable person would honor that connection by helping out his half-brother. A very small amount of money could make a huge difference in his life. I understand that there are probably other considerations, but it's always struck me as odd.

I think you are passing judgement on something you know nothing about.
 
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