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Judge Sides With Obama On Ohio Early Voting Suit Despite Romney Attacks

Fruityfact said:
you don't answer you attack.
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Rinse, wash, repeat. Nothing new that you offer.

Wiseone said:
Pull your head out of your ass Arbo and give me a real LEGAL reason why this law should stand.
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I never said it should or should not stand. I merely said, that if your life is so damn busy you can't find the free time on one day out of every 4 years, to go vote, you are making excuses, or you have overinflated your value.

But society is all about convenience and 'the easy way' rather than responsibility and action. No wonder it's full of a bunch of self gratifying, instant gratification, fat asses.
 
Arbo said:
Rinse, wash, repeat. Nothing new that you offer.
But society is all about convenience and 'the easy way' rather than responsibility and action. No wonder it's full of a bunch of self gratifying, instant gratification, fat asses.
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Oh, sorry I didn't know the truth was so outdated..my bad
God forbid we should let people vote
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Arbo said:
Irrelevant. You must be a citizen to vote, it's about the Constitution. But I understand you don't believe in the Constitution.



Ah, more of the liberal emotion and the silly 'if you are against xxxx, you want old people to die!' left wing argument. Fail.
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I mean nothing of the sort. You are taking it personally. It personally affronts you. Your posts are filled with disdain and judgement for people you will never know.

Ah, more about the convenience of the lazy. If I have to stand in line for 12 hours, I do so. I don't care, it is my right, and I will wait my turn with all the others that do their civic duty.
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In response to the chaos of the 2004 election, the government of Ohio extended hours so that all citizens may vote.

Most scholars and lawyers agree the main problems in Ohio resulted from technical failures and inadequate resources rather than partisan bickering in polling places or intentional disenfranchisement. But they said poor and minority voters may have suffered disproportionately.

"There is a feeling here that the long-line problem was a problem of disparity that fell along socioeconomic lines," Professor Foley said. "There were isolated instances of long lines here in the seven- to nine-hour range, and the common lines were two to three hours. When your line gets to two or three hours, it's system failure."

Even if the waits were comparable in poorer and richer precincts, legal scholars said, they might have had a disproportionate impact. If time is money, a long wait is a sort of poll tax, and the rich may be more able to pay it.

The lines were in any case baffling, Mr. Hoffheimer said.

"Although the turnout was not as large as the secretary of state had predicted," he said, "in quite a widespread number of precincts around the state, lines were horrendously long. At one time, one of them was estimated to be 22 hours."
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I still do not understand why anyone would resent the government making it easier on their citizens to exercise their rights, much less take it personally.
 
Good for democracy.. and another blow against the Republican gerrymandering machine.
 
Gina said:
Why do you take it so personally? How does it hurt you to allow more time to cast ballots? Why should anyone be put through a 12 hour wait or give up their right because they cannot make it to the polls when there is a readily available solution?
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Because most Republicans are 9-5 white's where as Democrats are work to you drop types. Hence having extended voting hours will only help the Democrats.. well that is what Republican strategy people think. After all, they cant actively deny Democratic areas less voting machines.. since the media will be all over them and they cant claim it was a "mistake", so they have to do different things to thin out the Democratic voting base... voter ID reform that makes it harder for poor non whites to gain access to voting, and of course restricting voting in Democratic areas as much as possible. After all if early voting was such a "problem", then why give military personnel access.. oh yea, the Republicans think they vote for them, hence that should be allowed.
 
Fruityfact said:
God forbid we should let people vote
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Of course, that's not the issue. But it is normal for you extremist left wingers to use this sort of fallacy continually.

Gina said:
I mean nothing of the sort.
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Yeah, sure.

PeteEU said:
Because most Republicans are 9-5 white's where as Democrats are work to you drop types. Hence having extended voting hours will only help the Democrats.. well that is what Republican strategy people think. After all, they cant actively deny Democratic areas less voting machines.. since the media will be all over them and they cant claim it was a "mistake", so they have to do different things to thin out the Democratic voting base... voter ID reform that makes it harder for poor non whites to gain access to voting, and of course restricting voting in Democratic areas as much as possible. After all if early voting was such a "problem", then why give military personnel access.. oh yea, the Republicans think they vote for them, hence that should be allowed.
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Yeah, that's it, it's a plot, and Democrats work more jobs and harder than Republicans. Man, you are on the ball. :roll:
 
I listened last night to Maddow, interviewing some attorney for the people suing in OH, and a couple of take aways I found with the woman speaking....1. She barely sounded literate enough to pass the bar, and 2. since the liberal left today loves 'code language' so much, I would invite people to listen to it, tell me what you hear...I heard that the cheating is going to be doubled in effort now that it can be done again.
 
Arbo said:
Of course, that's not the issue. But it is normal for you extremist left wingers to use this sort of fallacy continually.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, that's it, it's a plot, and Democrats work more jobs and harder than Republicans. Man, you are on the ball. :roll:
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You still have no legal argument to support your position, just an emotional one about laziness.
 
Wiseone said:
You still have no legal argument to support your position, just an emotional one about laziness.
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So, these days people must clear some imaginary bar that you think up in order for their opinion to be valid? Don't think so much of yourself, you aren't that infallible.

It's an internet site....Lighten up.
 
Arbo said:
Yeah, that's it, it's a plot, and Democrats work more jobs and harder than Republicans. Man, you are on the ball. :roll:
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Not me.. Republican "thinkers".. else there is no reason for them to want to deny early voting.. after all the more who vote the better no?
 
j-mac said:
So, these days people must clear some imaginary bar that you think up in order for their opinion to be valid? Don't think so much of yourself, you aren't that infallible.

It's an internet site....Lighten up.
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Fair enough, I'm just saying his argument lacks any supporting substance, of course its his right and ability to have whatever opinion he wants I'm just saying in my opinion he should back it up a little more and not this his "figuring" is the end all be all.
 
Hairytic said:
There are a lot of good reasons why some people need to vote early. Claiming they are lazy is simply stupid. SOme people will be having medical procedures or they may be out of town during the regular voting time. I don't see why people like you must insult those who don't agree with you. Use your imagination. I can take 1 minute and think of hundreds of reasons why some people would need to vote early because they won't be available on voting day.
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There is a thing called "absentee ballot" try that.
 
Born Free said:
There is a thing called "absentee ballot" try that.
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Many states have laws which govern the absentee ballot and don't allow it to be used by people who live in the local area and don't have a reason for it.
 
Wiseone said:
You still have no legal argument to support your position, just an emotional one about laziness.
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Once every 4 years, there is a day for voting. If you want to vote, you know what day that is going to be. Hell, you know what day it is going to be 40 years out from now.

Suggesting you can't be there, short of a medical emergency, you are making excuses.

It amazes me people sit around and defend others in such a manner, lord knows the new twilight movie comes out and they can ensure they are there for the midnight preview.... but do whatever is needed to arrange to be at a site once every four years? Nah, that's too much work.
 
Arbo said:
Once every 4 years, there is a day for voting. If you want to vote, you know what day that is going to be. Hell, you know what day it is going to be 40 years out from now.

Suggesting you can't be there, short of a medical emergency, you are making excuses.

It amazes me people sit around and defend others in such a manner, lord knows the new twilight movie comes out and they can ensure they are there for the midnight preview.... but do whatever is needed to arrange to be at a site once every four years? Nah, that's too much work.
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Still just an emotional childish argument dude. You need LEGAL REASONS to change the LAW, sorry but your opinion alone isn't enough to convince anyone. For example can you show that those who can't vote are the same ones who show up to the midnight showing of Twilight? Of course not, so thats just meaningless drivel that adds no substance to anything.

Hell maybe if polls were open at midnight you'd have a point but thats just not the case either. Either way, you haven't convinced me that the 14th amendment doesn't apply in full here.
 
Born Free said:
There is a thing called "absentee ballot" try that.
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Yes, there is. I just wonder why the Republican party wants to change the way elections run in Ohio. Honestly, whats the harm in allowing extra voting days when it is something they have been doing for years now and it works. Why fix what isn't broken.
 
I too live in Oregon and like our vote by mail system. However, each state rolls it's own. Some allow early voting, some do not. Some allow absentee ballots for any reason under the sun, some are highly restrictive. So, it's got to be judged on a case by case basis.

The state of Ohio wanted to get rid of early voting, that is their call. Now, had they been dickwads, they could have just left it at that (no early voting for anyone) and the judge, the feds, would have no say in the matter. But because they made an exception for active duty military, that gave the judge (and the dems behind this) an excuse to cry foul.

Let's not kid ourselves, if the military were known to consistently vote democrat, the judge and the feds would have no problem with this.
 
Wiseone said:
Many states have laws which govern the absentee ballot and don't allow it to be used by people who live in the local area and don't have a reason for it.
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This is the post I was responding too. They all seem reasonable excuses to me to be able to get an "absentee ballot"

Further I don't know of any state that would refuse you an "absentee ballot" if you asked for one, and not even give an excuse.

" Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
There are a lot of good reasons why some people need to vote early. Claiming they are lazy is simply stupid. SOme people will be having medical procedures or they may be out of town during the regular voting time. I don't see why people like you must insult those who don't agree with you. Use your imagination. I can take 1 minute and think of hundreds of reasons why some people would need to vote early because they won't be available on voting day."
 
Wiseone said:
Still just an emotional childish argument dude. You need LEGAL REASONS to change the LAW, sorry but your opinion alone isn't enough to convince anyone. For example can you show that those who can't vote are the same ones who show up to the midnight showing of Twilight? Of course not, so thats just meaningless drivel that adds no substance to anything.

Hell maybe if polls were open at midnight you'd have a point but thats just not the case either. Either way, you haven't convinced me that the 14th amendment doesn't apply in full here.
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I understand you and many others here don't like opinions that differ from your own. But I don't care if you don't like them. In this case you got one. You are the type that prefers 'convenience' over responsibility... I believe the other way.
 
Is this how far to the Right the Republican party has fallen, that they would feel distraught when citizens are given a greater opportunity to exercise their right that is mentioned FIVE TIMES in the amendments? By that standard, gun rights shouldn't even exist, because they're only mentioned once.
 
Hairytic said:
Yes, there is. I just wonder why the Republican party wants to change the way elections run in Ohio. Honestly, whats the harm in allowing extra voting days when it is something they have been doing for years now and it works. Why fix what isn't broken.
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The extra days was for our military men and woman that may be overseas and could only vote by absentee ballot. So then the Dems wanted the extra time for the guy living next door to the voting booth. But I really don't care as long as every person in our military has time to get in their ballot. I recall some yrs back the Dem's did not want to count the military ballots for some reason, I can't remember what for.
 
Arbo said:
I understand you and many others here don't like opinions that differ from your own. But I don't care if you don't like them. In this case you got one. You are the type that prefers 'convenience' over responsibility... I believe the other way.
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I actually prefer law over emotion.
 
Phys251 said:
Is this how far to the Right the Republican party has fallen, that they would feel distraught when citizens are given a greater opportunity to exercise their right that is mentioned FIVE TIMES in the amendments? By that standard, gun rights shouldn't even exist, because they're only mentioned once.
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Way off base, but it brings an interesting point up. If there should be greater flexibility given for people to exercise their rights, wouldn't the left be pushing for less restrictive gun laws? No, see, that's a 'right' they don't like, so it's 'different'. But apply the logic they use to the 2nd and ask for people to show ID's at the voting booth, and again they show their double standard and contempt for the Constitution.

Wiseone said:
I actually prefer law over emotion.
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You prefer mama government making life 'easier' for people...
 
Arbo said:
I understand you and many others here don't like opinions that differ from your own. But I don't care if you don't like them. In this case you got one. You are the type that prefers 'convenience' over responsibility... I believe the other way.
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The irony is strong with this one. Do you have any logical arguments that are not based on petulant emotions?
 
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