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What is Governor Romney's plan?

Paschendale said:
If you feel I've mischaracterized what Governor Romney's website says, please offer what you feel is a more accurate interpretation.
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It really is quite clear, and silliness like wild goose chases on semantics is not what we need at the moment. This election is a referendum on what has Obama done with his first term, which is dismal. Everything else at this point is distraction.
 
j-mac said:
It really is quite clear, and silliness like wild goose chases on semantics is not what we need at the moment. This election is a referendum on what has Obama done with his first term, which is dismal. Everything else at this point is distraction.
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Right, Who cares that Romney's plans are going to put us back in recession and make things even worse. Why should we have the fastest growing economy in the Western world? It's not fair to Europe that they have put themselves back into recession by cutting Govt. jobs and spending and we keep growing. Romney will make us all suffer equally, except for him and his buddies who wil get a big tax cut.
 
j-mac said:
Nope, that is a huge leap, no one said that Spike. Look, Obama on the trail in '08 called Bush unpatriotic for amassing some 5 trillion in debt in 8 years, so what does that make him for amassing 5 trillion in 3?
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You can't possibly think I'm being serious :roll: Please say you know I was being quite sarcastic.
 
iguanaman said:
Right, Who cares that Romney's plans are going to put us back in recession and make things even worse.
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Iguana, did you miss this?

CBO warns of significant recession if Congress doesn’t act to avoid fiscal cliff

CBO warns of significant recession if Congress doesn’t act to avoid fiscal cliff - The Washington Post
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Why should we have the fastest growing economy in the Western world?
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Please tell me that was tongue in cheek?

It's not fair to Europe that they have put themselves back into recession by cutting Govt. jobs and spending and we keep growing.
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Fair to Europe? OMFG! Who the hell would in their right minds place another country over their own in terms of economic health? What sense does that even make?

Romney will make us all suffer equally, except for him and his buddies who wil get a big tax cut.
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I know that is the liberal kool aid talking point. You seem to have drank it down in one gulp.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No - I should know better: sarcasm does not transfer well via internet :)
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Heh, heh...Take a couple of months off, and it is amazing how quickly one loses track of who's posting style is what....But none the less, it is good to come home.
 
j-mac said:
Iguana, did you miss this?





Please tell me that was tongue in cheek?




Fair to Europe? OMFG! Who the hell would in their right minds place another country over their own in terms of economic health? What sense does that even make?



I know that is the liberal kool aid talking point. You seem to have drank it down in one gulp.
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You think Romney's proposed tax cuts for himself are a "liberal talking point". You are the one that has missed something.
Romney is going to drop us right off the "fiscal cliff" and laugh all the way to the bank while he is doing it.
Look at his proposals before you leap this time.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Right!!!

He hasn't seen the plans Mitt Romney has at the convention... Because first off Mitt Romney hasn't spoken... secondly most people don't release plans at the convention... and HE HASN'T LOOKED!!!

Mitt Romney has several guidelines of policies he would attempt to initiate if elected president...

They're not acute detailed plans, because they can't be... the Congress is involved in the drafting of legislation, and no legislator wastes time drafting legislation with a candidate for office, they wait until they're elected...

But, go Romney's website and he has laid out plans... he also had a speech in Detroit during the convention which he addressed the economic policies he'd push for...

I think the difference is, you're expecting a falsely propped up hype like the BS Obama delivered... "Ill guy you X amount of trillions of dollars to buy you jobs for a short while"...

Romney isn't making false promises...

He is right, though, Obama's record is abysmal, and Romney's record is stellar... why not continue to run on that...
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So in other words, the right is complaining about "Hope and Change" while embrassing "Hope and Pray" with Romney. Guidelines? Are you ****ing kidding me? Guidelines do jack ****. You talk about results while embrassing "guidelines"?

More of the same, different name.
 
Paschendale said:
Well, let's look at that, then.

~snipped the whole critique~
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While you may not agree with his plan, the OP's question was..."What is Governor Romney's plan?" That question has been answered.

Now...how about we pose another question..."What is President Obama's plan?".

Do you have an answer for that?
 
Mycroft said:
While you may not agree with his plan, the OP's question was..."What is Governor Romney's plan?" That question has been answered.

Now...how about we pose another question..."What is President Obama's plan?".

Do you have an answer for that?
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I think Obama's plan is for America to :sinking: while he plays more :golf
Eats more :popcorn2: and throws :2party: on our dime.
 
Romney has no real plan. He just shouts out whatever is popular in the party.
 
He has a plan ... you just have to elect him ... then he'll tell you all about it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Romney has no real plan. He just shouts out whatever is popular in the party.
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There is a plan, and has been pointed out, it has been posted here in this thread....Maybe it is too complex for you to understand....
 
j-mac said:
There is a plan, and has been pointed out, it has been posted here in this thread....Maybe it is too complex for you to understand....
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What? Lower taxes and "cause prosperity"? Repeal Obamacre?
Great plan.. :roll:
Sounds like a bunch of talking points to get the sheeple excited.
 
iguanaman said:
You think Romney's proposed tax cuts for himself are a "liberal talking point". You are the one that has missed something.
Romney is going to drop us right off the "fiscal cliff" and laugh all the way to the bank while he is doing it.
Look at his proposals before you leap this time.
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In addition to the tax cuts which you libs don't like, Romney has also adopted the Ryan plan to gut wasteful entitlement programs like welfare and medicare.

It's a winning combination that will take them to the White House.
 
TheNextEra said:
So in other words, the right is complaining about "Hope and Change" while embrassing "Hope and Pray" with Romney. Guidelines? Are you ****ing kidding me? Guidelines do jack ****. You talk about results while embrassing "guidelines"?

More of the same, different name.
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Actually, they're rallying behind guys with their priorities straight...

See, Romney and Ryan are running on facing our nation's problems and pointing to their records of actually doing something about it...

Obama (and Biden if that even matters) is running away from his record, is failing to deal with our problems and his priorities are on side gimmick topics, since he knows he can't get anything done...


Guidelines are all he can do... What are you looking for a bill? Get real... what candidate can detail a bill prior to taking office...

I'm fairly certain, though, you and the others that say Romney has no plan, have never actually gone through his website for the information, either...

Issues | Mitt Romney for President

Hey, what do you know... a detailed list of his stands on the issues...

broken down into many different sections, which each detail portions of the things he intends to do...

Tax
Spending
Labor
etc.

but it’s highlighted with 3 major sections which tie several issues together

The first of which is Jobs and Economic Growth
Jobs and Economic Growth | Mitt Romney for President

Another is Foreign Policy
An American Century | Mitt Romney for President

Then closely tied in is the smaller, smarter, simpler government
Smaller, Smarter, Simpler Government | Mitt Romney for President


and what's that at the top... "Read Mitt's Plan"... no, it couldn't be... they say you don't have one...

Mitt Romney

Hmmm...

"Mitt's plan for a stronger middle class focuses on five points: building energy independence, ensuring Americans have the skills to succeed, opening markets that work for America, cutting the deficit, and championing small businesses"

Okay... I'll admit that's mostly fluff... as most cites like this are... However, it also follows most schools of management, which focus on effectively getting out your message in simple listed formats and with bulleted items and such, so the common people can pick up on it rather easily...

Which is better suited by the stupid trend of info-graphics (which has supplanted his 2002 heavy powerpoint stuff)...

romney-2012-infographic-job-plan_0.jpg


See... that's pretty elaborate and fairly succinct and to the point, describing things he'd do...

hey, look... it's even in Spanish...
Día Uno Primer Paso


Still don't think it's enough...


Oh, and what's this... a link to a full length article dicussing his intentions in depth...

The Romney Program for Economic Recovery, Growth, And Jobs

No way... that couldn't exist... because several uninformed DP posters say he doesn't have a plan...



LMFAO... then it gets even better when you say you want to talk about results...

Result of Obama administration; $16T in debt (5.4% under Obama alone, in 3.5 yrs), the debt cieling having to be raised 5 times, the first ever credit downgrade in US history, heavy unemployment which skyrocketed to 10% then slowly dropped to 8.1% but has since been rising again to 8.3%, a real unemployment of over 15% with the discouraged workers and under employed, a steep unprecidented 2% drop in workforce participation that isn't explained by the .2-.5% slow decline prior to him taking office, fuel prices through the roof with gasoline prices upwards of $4/gal in many parts of the country and averages around $3.50/gal...


Oh, but Mitt Romney should be talking about results, right?

romney-2012-infographic-job-plan2.jpg


LMFAO...
:lamo
Maybe you should open your eyes every now and then...


Or... you could listen... because he delivered a speech on it already...




But, what's funny is an Obama supporter asking for Romney's plan... Obama ran on smoke and mirrors, and the catch phrases of "hope" and "change"... He didn't run on a plan... He crafted a bad plan... it didn't work...

So come this election, what's his website promoting...

Barack Obama

NOTHING!!!

You have to give them information to track you down by… Big Brother at it’s best…
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Actually, they're rallying behind guys with their priorities straight...

See, Romney and Ryan are running on facing our nation's problems and pointing to their records of actually doing something about it...
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Yes, because a CEO is the same as being president :roll: Do conservative idiots (and so called independents that are really lapdog conservatives too embarrased to call themselves conservatives) understand that America is not a corporation?

IndepCentristMA said:
Obama (and Biden if that even matters) is running away from his record, is failing to deal with our problems and his priorities are on side gimmick topics, since he knows he can't get anything done...
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No disagreement there, that is why I am not voting for Obama. However, Romney isn't any better.

IndepCentristMA said:
Guidelines are all he can do... What are you looking for a bill? Get real... what candidate can detail a bill prior to taking office...
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Again, pretty phrases don't lay out the actually plan of HOW they are going to accomplish it. It's nice to say we are going to create 12 million jobs but without a plan to reach across the isle to accomplish that, the phrases mean NOTHING.

IndepCentristMA said:
I'm fairly certain, though, you and the others that say Romney has no plan, have never actually gone through his website for the information, either...
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Actually I have. Pretty phrases and empty promises.

IndepCentristMA said:
Hey, what do you know... a detailed list of his stands on the issues...

broken down into many different sections, which each detail portions of the things he intends to do...

Tax
Spending
Labor
etc.
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None of these highlight HOW they will be accomplished, again more hope and pray from the right.

IndepCentristMA said:
The first of which is Jobs and Economic Growth
Jobs and Economic Growth | Mitt Romney for President
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Yes, nice phrases, HOW?

IndepCentristMA said:
Another is Foreign Policy
An American Century | Mitt Romney for President
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nice phrases, HOW?

IndepCentristMA said:
Then closely tied in is the smaller, smarter, simpler government
Smaller, Smarter, Simpler Government | Mitt Romney for President
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Nice phrases, HOW?

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and what's that at the top... "Read Mitt's Plan"... no, it couldn't be... they say you don't have one...

Mitt Romney

Hmmm... [/quote]

Again, doesn't explain HOW. I can say I am going to turn rock into edible food, that doesn't mean it's a plan.

IndepCentristMA said:
"Mitt's plan for a stronger middle class focuses on five points: building energy independence, ensuring Americans have the skills to succeed, opening markets that work for America, cutting the deficit, and championing small businesses"
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Again HOW? Romney isn't a leader in reaching across the isle to get all this accomplished. That's why conservatives and lapdog idenpendents of Romney have no clue of. They think it's just going to happen like magic.

IndepCentristMA said:
Okay... I'll admit that's mostly fluff... as most cites like this are... However, it also follows most schools of management, which focus on effectively getting out your message in simple listed formats and with bulleted items and such, so the common people can pick up on it rather easily...

Which is better suited by the stupid trend of info-graphics (which has supplanted his 2002 heavy powerpoint stuff)...
See... that's pretty elaborate and fairly succinct and to the point, describing things he'd do...

hey, look... it's even in Spanish...

Still don't think it's enough...
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Power point? OMG, let me guess, because it's on a power point, you believe it's real. :lamo

IndepCentristMA said:
Oh, and what's this... a link to a full length article dicussing his intentions in depth...

The Romney Program for Economic Recovery, Growth, And Jobs
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Again, doesn't say HOW it will be accomplished which is the problem we have had for the past 12 years. Every president says what they are going to do (and not in detail) but they don't say HOW they will accomplish that.

IndepCentristMA said:
No way... that couldn't exist... because several uninformed DP posters say he doesn't have a plan...
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Pretty phrases are not a plan. A plan is HOW you are going to do something. So please explain HOW this will be accomplished. Or do you think it will just POOF appear?

IndepCentristMA said:
LMFAO... then it gets even better when you say you want to talk about results...

Result of Obama administration; $16T in debt (5.4% under Obama alone, in 3.5 yrs), the debt cieling having to be raised 5 times, the first ever credit downgrade in US history, heavy unemployment which skyrocketed to 10% then slowly dropped to 8.1% but has since been rising again to 8.3%, a real unemployment of over 15% with the discouraged workers and under employed, a steep unprecidented 2% drop in workforce participation that isn't explained by the .2-.5% slow decline prior to him taking office, fuel prices through the roof with gasoline prices upwards of $4/gal in many parts of the country and averages around $3.50/gal...
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You aren't talking to an Obama supporter so not sure what you are getting at.

IndepCentristMA said:
Oh, but Mitt Romney should be talking about results, right?

LMFAO...
:lamo
Maybe you should open your eyes every now and then...
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I do, maybe you should stop waiting in line to bring Romney his bathwater. I would say other things about how I feel you are with Romney, but I am pretty sure you would just report me, so I'm not going to bother. Romneybots are nothing but "hope and pray".

IndepCentristMA said:
But, what's funny is an Obama supporter asking for Romney's plan... Obama ran on smoke and mirrors, and the catch phrases of "hope" and "change"... He didn't run on a plan... He crafted a bad plan... it didn't work...
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Do me a favor, show me where I've supported what Obama has done. It shouldn't be that hard right?

IndepCentristMA said:
So come this election, what's his website promoting...

Barack Obama

NOTHING!!!

You have to give them information to track you down by… Big Brother at it’s best…
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Again, don't care since I'm not voting for OBama, however, I'm not voting for Romney's "Hope and Pray" either.
 
I'm mildly amused right now - I just realized that my husband has no clue of just how much time I spend immersed in political debate and research. What do you think he'd say right now if he knew I was ignoring him to comment on Romney?

Marital spat aside . . . .

Presidential plans don't mean much for several reasons.

1) The President has very little influence over Congress - Congressional approval and cooperation is necessary to see to any such plans.
2) The unknown - once in office, once in the **** - nothing is as easy as they think it is. Almost every president has said this after coming into office. It's a guarantee that the unknown will redirect, halt and interfere with such plans.
3) Once actually in the **** ones plans will be reanalyzed and reconsidered and redone in consideration of the above.

It's helpful to know the intentions - sure - but no one should let their selves fall into the belief that it's going to somehow be a reality.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I'm mildly amused right now - I just realized that my husband has no clue of just how much time I spend immersed in political debate and research. What do you think he'd say right now if he knew I was ignoring him to comment on Romney?

Marital spat aside . . . .

Presidential plans don't mean much for several reasons.

1) The President has very little influence over Congress - Congressional approval and cooperation is necessary to see to any such plans.
2) The unknown - once in office, once in the **** - nothing is as easy as they think it is. Almost every president has said this after coming into office. It's a guarantee that the unknown will redirect, halt and interfere with such plans.
3) Once actually in the **** ones plans will be reanalyzed and reconsidered and redone in consideration of the above.

It's helpful to know the intentions - sure - but no one should let their selves fall into the belief that it's going to somehow be a reality.
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All of those are true, but I think it's still important for candidates to say what they HOPE to accomplish for two reasons:

1. So we know what we're voting for(!!), and

2. So there is a record that can be used to hold the guy's feet to the fire once he's in office.
 
AdamT said:
All of those are true, but I think it's still important for candidates to say what they HOPE to accomplish for two reasons:

1. So we know what we're voting for(!!), and

2. So there is a record that can be used to hold the guy's feet to the fire once he's in office.
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I'd rather they be gagged and bound so we can dig up dirt on them to our hearts content - we should spend time analyzing what they've done in their careers (political and otherwise) rather than what they claim they want to do in the future.
 
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