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obama was confronted by one of those college students he's been barnstorming this week (while isaac barnstorms the gulf), an unemployed, debt ridden law school grad who asked him:

“despite graduating from a top [law] school, I find myself unemployed with a large student loan debthttp://dailycaller.com/2012/08/29/o...ress-for-unemployed-debt-laden-college-grad/# burden … [and] it’s difficult to be optimistic about the future knowing that my ability to live a productive life — to have a fulfilling career, to buy a house, to someday raise a family — is hampered by my debt and the bleak economic outlook for young people”

“many of us are demoralized, your 2008 campaign was successful in large part due to the efforts of younger demographics, we worked for you, we campaigned for you, and we turned out in record numbers to vote for you, what hope can you offer us for your second term?”

oblivious obama answered: "i don’t promise that this will solve all our immediate economic challenges, but my plans will lay the foundation for long term growth for your generation, and for generations to follow”


“so don’t be discouraged — we didn’t get into this fix overnight, and we won’t get out overnight, but we are making progress and with your help will make more”


“i understand how tough it is out there for recent grads, you’re right, your long term prospects are great, but that doesn’t help in the short term”


obtuse obama went on to kneejerk his mantra about staying on mom's insurance until you're 26, and once more parroted his schtick about the few dollars a year he's saved this unlucky non-lawyer who's stuck in mom's basement

Obama promises gradual progress for unemployed college grads | The Daily Caller

youth unemployment is 17.1

BLS: Employment and Unemployment Among Youth Summary

half our college grads are stuck in the lawyer's crowded cellar

Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed

obama got 66% of the youth vote in 08, his numbers here are universally down

and depressed turnout bodes an even further downward pressure on his outcome

do you think he's gonna see the youth swell that surged him to grant park?

meanwhile obama, disciple of yesterday, is pushing the same old canards about education and the need to invest---

in teachers' unions

americans are on to him

gallup today reports that americans find public school the WORST place to send their kids---and by a wide margin

home schooling is almost three times more popular

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

still 83% are trapped in these neighborhood institutions of paralysis known as public schools

and if you're in chicago you're lucky to get home after class alive

finally, even the kids aren't showing up---obama drew 12,000 at the uva on the eve of the offyear congressionals in 2010 (the election where he got shellacked)

only 6500 listened to him today as he acknowledged the difficulty of now but assured our kids that their long term prospects are "great"

sure, and the private sector is doing just fine

69 days...
 
The Prof said:
obama was confronted by one of those college students he's been barnstorming this week (while isaac barnstorms the gulf), an unemployed, debt ridden law school grad who asked him:

“despite graduating from a top [law] school, I find myself unemployed with a large student loan debthttp://dailycaller.com/2012/08/29/o...ress-for-unemployed-debt-laden-college-grad/# burden … [and] it’s difficult to be optimistic about the future knowing that my ability to live a productive life — to have a fulfilling career, to buy a house, to someday raise a family — is hampered by my debt and the bleak economic outlook for young people”

“many of us are demoralized, your 2008 campaign was successful in large part due to the efforts of younger demographics, we worked for you, we campaigned for you, and we turned out in record numbers to vote for you, what hope can you offer us for your second term?”

oblivious obama answered: "i don’t promise that this will solve all our immediate economic challenges, but my plans will lay the foundation for long term growth for your generation, and for generations to follow”


“so don’t be discouraged — we didn’t get into this fix overnight, and we won’t get out overnight, but we are making progress and with your help will make more”


“i understand how tough it is out there for recent grads, you’re right, your long term prospects are great, but that doesn’t help in the short term”


obtuse obama went on to kneejerk his mantra about staying on mom's insurance until you're 26, and once more parroted his schtick about the few dollars a year he's saved this unlucky non-lawyer who's stuck in mom's basement

Obama promises gradual progress for unemployed college grads | The Daily Caller

youth unemployment is 17.1

BLS: Employment and Unemployment Among Youth Summary

half our college grads are stuck in the lawyer's crowded cellar

Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed

obama got 66% of the youth vote in 08, his numbers here are universally down

and depressed turnout bodes an even further downward pressure on his outcome

do you think he's gonna see the youth swell that surged him to grant park?

meanwhile obama, disciple of yesterday, is pushing the same old canards about education and the need to invest---

in teachers' unions

americans are on to him

gallup today reports that americans find public school the WORST place to send their kids---and by a wide margin

home schooling is almost three times more popular

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

still 83% are trapped in these neighborhood institutions of paralysis known as public schools

and if you're in chicago you're lucky to get home after class alive

finally, even the kids aren't showing up---obama drew 12,000 at the uva on the eve of the offyear congressionals in 2010 (the election where he got shellacked)

only 6500 listened to him today as he acknowledged the difficulty of now but assured our kids that their long term prospects are "great"

sure, and the private sector is doing just fine

69 days...
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Obama saved college student more than a few bucks a year on reforming the student loans. Being able to be on your parents insurance while attending college is a huge help. I have yet to see what Romney or Ryan want to do to help students get jobs when they graduate from college. The economy is bad. The question is, who has the best plan to help the majority of Americans get jobs and get out of debt. My money is on Obama. He has been working on fixing these problems from the start. The GOP has been more interested in passing more anti-abortion legislation than passing job bills. If the GOP had just passed Obama's job act or infrastructure proposals, things would already be better for most Americans. The only thing the GOP has managed to do is slash more public sector jobs.
 
The Prof said:
obama was confronted by one of those college students he's been barnstorming this week (while isaac barnstorms the gulf), an unemployed, debt ridden law school grad who asked him:

“despite graduating from a top [law] school, I find myself unemployed with a large student loan debthttp://dailycaller.com/2012/08/29/o...ress-for-unemployed-debt-laden-college-grad/# burden … [and] it’s difficult to be optimistic about the future knowing that my ability to live a productive life — to have a fulfilling career, to buy a house, to someday raise a family — is hampered by my debt and the bleak economic outlook for young people”

“many of us are demoralized, your 2008 campaign was successful in large part due to the efforts of younger demographics, we worked for you, we campaigned for you, and we turned out in record numbers to vote for you, what hope can you offer us for your second term?”

oblivious obama answered: "i don’t promise that this will solve all our immediate economic challenges, but my plans will lay the foundation for long term growth for your generation, and for generations to follow”


“so don’t be discouraged — we didn’t get into this fix overnight, and we won’t get out overnight, but we are making progress and with your help will make more”


“i understand how tough it is out there for recent grads, you’re right, your long term prospects are great, but that doesn’t help in the short term”


obtuse obama went on to kneejerk his mantra about staying on mom's insurance until you're 26, and once more parroted his schtick about the few dollars a year he's saved this unlucky non-lawyer who's stuck in mom's basement

Obama promises gradual progress for unemployed college grads | The Daily Caller

youth unemployment is 17.1

BLS: Employment and Unemployment Among Youth Summary

half our college grads are stuck in the lawyer's crowded cellar

Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed

obama got 66% of the youth vote in 08, his numbers here are universally down

and depressed turnout bodes an even further downward pressure on his outcome

do you think he's gonna see the youth swell that surged him to grant park?

meanwhile obama, disciple of yesterday, is pushing the same old canards about education and the need to invest---

in teachers' unions

americans are on to him

gallup today reports that americans find public school the WORST place to send their kids---and by a wide margin

home schooling is almost three times more popular

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

still 83% are trapped in these neighborhood institutions of paralysis known as public schools

and if you're in chicago you're lucky to get home after class alive

finally, even the kids aren't showing up---obama drew 12,000 at the uva on the eve of the offyear congressionals in 2010 (the election where he got shellacked)

only 6500 listened to him today as he acknowledged the difficulty of now but assured our kids that their long term prospects are "great"

sure, and the private sector is doing just fine

69 days...
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Of course, under a Republican view of the world, this top of his law school graduate might not jobless and burdened with student loans....

... he might, in fact, be debt free.... working at his minimum wage job, shut out of the opportunity to go to law school or even undergrad as there are no affordable loans or grants for students and support for public universities is even more scarce, meaning tuition at the so-called State U is the same as tuition at a private college (three times as much)...

I don't know about you, but I think my future as a lawyer with student debt but no job are quite a bit brighter than my future without that law degree (and undergraduate degree) but with a job at Walmart.

63 more days of this side-show called an election then the Prez can get back to doing the people's work.
 
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from paul ryan's acceptance speech tonite: our kids should not have to spend their 20's living in their childhood bedroom, staring at faded obama posters on the wall and wondering when their lives can begin

ej dionne on msnbc immediately after---one of the most effective convention speeches i have ever seen

lawrence o'donnel---duplicitous and extremely effective, this is not what obama wants to deal with

chris matthews was largely in accord

as if anyone cares, no one watches msnbc

it's only value is as measure of the opposition's argument

good luck replicating that youth vote, obamites

it's hard not to know how bad things are when you're completely without prospects

obama depends on the uninformed and there aren't many left

and please enjoy your abortion palooza in charlotte, it's gonna be wild

obama has devoted his convention to extremely divisive social issues, and it's too late to change

sandra fluke is already scheduled, as are naral, planned parenthood, caroline kennedy, tammy baldwin...

and when you're watching the jumah prayer at charlotte be sure to face east and stick your butt up in the air

cuz that, more than anything, is what today's youth are most interested in
 
minor point of clarification
if the person who confronted Obama is factually stated to be a "student" would he not still be in school rather than a graduate of his law school

would think the outlook for economic success as a freshly minted lawyer (assuming he can pass the bar) is exceeded only by that of a current med school graduate and possibly a bio/chem/computer/or nuclear engineer

if a lawyer's function is to be a(n often complex) problem solver, that "student"'s question indicates that he has already failed and may not have the right stuff
 
So let me get this straight, if someone goes to school, gets a degree, and then goes on to have a successful career, they built that themselves. But if they don't land a career right away, it's Obama's fault? I guess personal responsibility only counts when you are successful.

BTW, exactly what legislation would open up more jobs for lawyers? I remember the GOP talking about tort reform in 2000, 2004, and 2008. Does tort reform create jobs for lawyers?
 
justabubba said:
if a lawyer's function is to be a(n often complex) problem solver, that "student"'s question indicates that he has already failed and may not have the right stuff
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Lord knows that's true of the guy who answered the student's question.
 
And here I always thought getting into law was a recession-proof career choice. But I guess even lawyers are getting laid off these days.
 
Hairytic said:
Obama saved college student more than a few bucks a year on reforming the student loans. Being able to be on your parents insurance while attending college is a huge help. I have yet to see what Romney or Ryan want to do to help students get jobs when they graduate from college. The economy is bad. The question is, who has the best plan to help the majority of Americans get jobs and get out of debt. My money is on Obama. He has been working on fixing these problems from the start. The GOP has been more interested in passing more anti-abortion legislation than passing job bills. If the GOP had just passed Obama's job act or infrastructure proposals, things would already be better for most Americans. The only thing the GOP has managed to do is slash more public sector jobs.
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He saved them nothing

Student Loan debt is more than 1 trillion. All Obama has done is artificially keep the interest rate on the loans low until he believes he's been safely re-elected. After that the interest rates will spike and all these unemployed young lawyers will be bending over and grabbing their ankles. They know it too. Youth tend to be the most idealistic, the most easily manipulated emotionally with slogans, platitudes, and rhetoric. They are wising up. Obama bamboozled them with smooth speeches read from his teleprompter. They aren't going to fall for his lies this time around.

Also Public Sector Jobs come at the expense of private sector jobs, wealth creation, and economic growth. Learn basic economics.
 
The Prof said:
vote obama, 2012!

you might not have the right stuff!

Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed
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Perhaps the choice of field might play a large part in the unemployment rate of young college grads.....


"....While there's strong demand in science, education and health fields, arts and humanities flounder. Median wages for those with bachelor's degrees are down from 2000, hit by technological changes that are eliminating midlevel jobs such as bank tellers...."
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I'm sorry but arts, humanities and philosophy are the usually the first jobs to go in down turn economy and it does seem that is what a lot of college kids majored in these days. Probably because it was easier than engineering, science, biology, etc.

Then there is the problem of some college grads expectations or assumption that they're going to land a six figure job right out of the gate. Why in my day (which wasn't really all that long ago) people had to start at the bottom and do the grunt work and work their way up the ladder. Success was earned through hands on experience, not handed out because you got a diploma for sitting in a classroom. In fact, some of those low paying jobs are what some employers look at to see if someone has what it takes. For instance, working as a waiter, waitress, bartender shows a future employer you can think on your feet, work well with people and the public, handle money, multitask, be responsible, work hard, etc. Those are skills you don't learn in a classroom but come in mighty handy for a lot of professions as one moves up in their careers.

A lot of college grads are taking intern jobs for the very reason I mentioned above. They might be low paying but it's giving them the experience they need to move up and its a lot better than sitting at home waiting for something to happen. Hey, life is unfair and nobody promised them a rose garden......or did they? I suspect some of their parents might have.
 
Saw a cartoon that pretty much nailed this, about pushing 4 years of college to cover up that there are no jobs to be had. Anyone remember MBSs? Is there any doubt what is going to happen with student loans? Today's college students are the base for the next derivative market. It's not about the education, it's about the revenue stream.
 
Thorgasm said:
So let me get this straight, if someone goes to school, gets a degree, and then goes on to have a successful career, they built that themselves. But if they don't land a career right away, it's Obama's fault? I guess personal responsibility only counts when you are successful.

BTW, exactly what legislation would open up more jobs for lawyers? I remember the GOP talking about tort reform in 2000, 2004, and 2008. Does tort reform create jobs for lawyers?
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LOL The bolded is a most excellent point you made there, Thor, and worth repeating.
 
justabubba said:
minor point of clarification
if the person who confronted Obama is factually stated to be a "student" would he not still be in school rather than a graduate of his law school

would think the outlook for economic success as a freshly minted lawyer (assuming he can pass the bar) is exceeded only by that of a current med school graduate and possibly a bio/chem/computer/or nuclear engineer

if a lawyer's function is to be a(n often complex) problem solver, that "student"'s question indicates that he has already failed and may not have the right stuff
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I have mixed feelings about your post. However, the one strong feeling that I have is that you are attacking the person asking the question and ignoring the answer. This, to me, is another Joe the plummer moment. The questioner appears to be saying to the Kenyan ... 'Where's the Hope and Change' ... and that is a valid question.

A L
 
Moot said:
Perhaps the choice of field might play a large part in the unemployment rate of young college grads.....

I'm sorry but arts, humanities and philosophy are the usually the first jobs to go in down turn economy and it does seem that is what a lot of college kids majored in these days. Probably because it was easier than engineering, science, biology, etc.

Then there is the problem of some college grads expectations or assumption that they're going to land a six figure job right out of the gate. Why in my day (which wasn't really all that long ago) people had to start at the bottom and do the grunt work and work their way up the ladder. Success was earned through hands on experience, not handed out because you got a diploma for sitting in a classroom. In fact, some of those low paying jobs are what some employers look at to see if someone has what it takes. For instance, working as a waiter, waitress, bartender shows a future employer you can think on your feet, work well with people and the public, handle money, multitask, be responsible, work hard, etc. Those are skills you don't learn in a classroom but come in mighty handy for a lot of professions as one moves up in their careers.

A lot of college grads are taking intern jobs for the very reason I mentioned above. They might be low paying but it's giving them the experience they need to move up and its a lot better than sitting at home waiting for something to happen. Hey, life is unfair and nobody promised them a rose garden......or did they? I suspect some of their parents might have.
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QUICK, EVERYONE HEAD TO THE LIGHTNING SHELTERS.

This is a first ... I actually agree with you.

Now there's a Hope and Change moment.

A L
 
Bronson said:
He saved them nothing

Student Loan debt is more than 1 trillion. All Obama has done is artificially keep the interest rate on the loans low until he believes he's been safely re-elected. After that the interest rates will spike and all these unemployed young lawyers will be bending over and grabbing their ankles. They know it too. Youth tend to be the most idealistic, the most easily manipulated emotionally with slogans, platitudes, and rhetoric. They are wising up. Obama bamboozled them with smooth speeches read from his teleprompter. They aren't going to fall for his lies this time around.

Also Public Sector Jobs come at the expense of private sector jobs, wealth creation, and economic growth. Learn basic economics.
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You say Obama hasn't helped students, but the little he did help he will undo once he is elected. Obama worked too hard to overhaul the student loan system, why would he recerse it? I don't see where you're coming from on this point. I know basic economics. Looking back at history, it is a proven fact that government creating more public sector jobs during bad economic times leads to private sector job creation. At the end of the great depression, the government put people to work on the infrastructure. This created private sector jobs that supported the construction. We currently need infrastructure work done and Obama has proposed spending money on this. Laying public workers off during an economic recovery is stupid.
 
The Prof said:
obama was confronted by one of those college students he's been barnstorming this week (while isaac barnstorms the gulf), an unemployed, debt ridden law school grad who asked him:

“despite graduating from a top [law] school, I find myself unemployed with a large student loan debthttp://dailycaller.com/2012/08/29/o...ress-for-unemployed-debt-laden-college-grad/# burden … [and] it’s difficult to be optimistic about the future knowing that my ability to live a productive life — to have a fulfilling career, to buy a house, to someday raise a family — is hampered by my debt and the bleak economic outlook for young people”

“many of us are demoralized, your 2008 campaign was successful in large part due to the efforts of younger demographics, we worked for you, we campaigned for you, and we turned out in record numbers to vote for you, what hope can you offer us for your second term?”

oblivious obama answered: "i don’t promise that this will solve all our immediate economic challenges, but my plans will lay the foundation for long term growth for your generation, and for generations to follow”


“so don’t be discouraged — we didn’t get into this fix overnight, and we won’t get out overnight, but we are making progress and with your help will make more”


“i understand how tough it is out there for recent grads, you’re right, your long term prospects are great, but that doesn’t help in the short term”


obtuse obama went on to kneejerk his mantra about staying on mom's insurance until you're 26, and once more parroted his schtick about the few dollars a year he's saved this unlucky non-lawyer who's stuck in mom's basement

Obama promises gradual progress for unemployed college grads | The Daily Caller

youth unemployment is 17.1

BLS: Employment and Unemployment Among Youth Summary

half our college grads are stuck in the lawyer's crowded cellar

Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed

obama got 66% of the youth vote in 08, his numbers here are universally down

and depressed turnout bodes an even further downward pressure on his outcome

do you think he's gonna see the youth swell that surged him to grant park?

meanwhile obama, disciple of yesterday, is pushing the same old canards about education and the need to invest---

in teachers' unions

americans are on to him

gallup today reports that americans find public school the WORST place to send their kids---and by a wide margin

home schooling is almost three times more popular

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

still 83% are trapped in these neighborhood institutions of paralysis known as public schools

and if you're in chicago you're lucky to get home after class alive

finally, even the kids aren't showing up---obama drew 12,000 at the uva on the eve of the offyear congressionals in 2010 (the election where he got shellacked)

only 6500 listened to him today as he acknowledged the difficulty of now but assured our kids that their long term prospects are "great"

sure, and the private sector is doing just fine

69 days...
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1) Too many lawyers already
2) He took out the student loans, he knew the economy, he made his bed
3) Obama already reformed a lot of student loans and paybacks
4) It's not incorrect to state that things cannot be instantaneously fixed. In fact, nothing and the Rock means nothing can be fixed infinitely fast. To properly fix the economy (not that it's what we're doing) it is LONG TERM. I know some of you don't understand that, but there is so much wrong with the rules and regulations that to fix it would require scraping a lot of the crumbling infrastructure and replacing it with proper regulation and oversight. It would take some time.

That being said, Obama is not working to fix the situation, Romney would do no different. They're bleeding as much money out of the middle class (which is why the middle class is shrinking and poorer than ever) to benefit the super rich and the corporations. The Republocrats goals are the establishment of a new aristocracy, and that is the direction we're moving towards.
 
Hairytic said:
You say Obama hasn't helped students, but the little he did help he will undo once he is elected. Obama worked too hard to overhaul the student loan system, why would he recerse it? I don't see where you're coming from on this point. I know basic economics. Looking back at history, it is a proven fact that government creating more public sector jobs during bad economic times leads to private sector job creation. At the end of the great depression, the government put people to work on the infrastructure. This created private sector jobs that supported the construction. We currently need infrastructure work done and Obama has proposed spending money on this. Laying public workers off during an economic recovery is stupid.
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He is not helping students by pushing "cheap" loans on them unless there is a job market for them to move in to. As it is millions of people are now able to express their disappointment in bigger words. A college education is not required to sit in your parent's basement. And he didn't just propose infrastructure spending, he did it.. in the trillions of dollars. So where are the jobs?
 
The Prof said:
from paul ryan's acceptance speech tonite: our kids should not have to spend their 20's living in their childhood bedroom, staring at faded obama posters on the wall and wondering when their lives can begin

ej dionne on msnbc immediately after---one of the most effective convention speeches i have ever seen

lawrence o'donnel---duplicitous and extremely effective, this is not what obama wants to deal with

chris matthews was largely in accord

as if anyone cares, no one watches msnbc

it's only value is as measure of the opposition's argument

good luck replicating that youth vote, obamites

it's hard not to know how bad things are when you're completely without prospects

obama depends on the uninformed and there aren't many left

and please enjoy your abortion palooza in charlotte, it's gonna be wild

obama has devoted his convention to extremely divisive social issues, and it's too late to change

sandra fluke is already scheduled, as are naral, planned parenthood, caroline kennedy, tammy baldwin...

and when you're watching the jumah prayer at charlotte be sure to face east and stick your butt up in the air

cuz that, more than anything, is what today's youth are most interested in
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I think you should read upsideguy's post. It says it all!!
 
The student loan debt issue is the result of the private nature of our higher education. More people demand schooling, the cost goes up. The interest rates on student loans is a private sector problem, since it is private banks that are earning the interest.

Not finding jobs for these graduates is also a private sector problem. It is not the government's job to find someone a job, and high taxes are not preventing law firms from hiring people. Remember, business taxes are assessed on taxable income, which is the remaining income after all of the business' operating expenses have been paid. While a company might pay a 30% tax rate, its actually only a very small fraction on the company's revenue (all of my former clients had taxes of 2% - 5% of their revenue). Hiring people would actually serve to reduce taxes, as it would reduce operating income, and taxable income.

Imagine how low personal taxes would be if we only paid taxes on our left over money after we've paid our mortgage, car payments, clothing, food, etc.
 
There is no shortage of lawyers in the USA. People going into law school think they'll get rich when they get out, as tens of thousands of new lawyers are rolled out every year. There are 1,128,729 lawyers in the USA. That should be plenty already.
 
I feel sorry for the kid's plight, but let's get real. He signed on to expensive tuition and student loans at the height of the recession, when the country was crumbling around him.
 
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