Most dishonest ad in political history

Hairytic said:

Seriously? The most dishonest political ad? This ad doesn't even rant in the top 100 more dishonest ads. I haven't seen the ad, so I don't know if it is an ad Obama's campaign is running or a special interest group is running. Currently, the Reomny campaign is running ads lying about Obama robbing medicare to pay for Obama care and a misrepresentation of welfare to work cuts. Romney is trying to paint Obama as a socialist, someone who wants everyone to be on welfare with no plan or path to return to work. Now that is dishonest.

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Seriously... you must be an Obama supporter... I've seen that sort of inaccurate prejudicial commentary style before...

If you don't know... how can you comment? You should've left it right there...

Instead, you pulled an Obama...

"I may be biased, because Skip Gates is a friend of mine, and I haven't seen all the facts of the case, but the Cambridge Police acted stupidly"...

And in Obama's case... he's a lawyer, and should know better than to make statments without knowing all the facts...


One of the major problems with this country and the world society at the moment is we give way too much respect to people whose opinions aren't of a qualified authority to speak on a certain subject...

If you don't know, just simply leave it at "I don't know", or "I haven't seen it"... Why put your worthless opinion on the matter out there, since even YOU know it's not worth a solitary bean... nevermind the hill of them?!?!?!?


For as stupid as a lot of people said Bush and the officials in his administration were, at least most of them knew enough to say "We are still looking into that", "We don't have all the facts yet", "That's not consistent with the information we have, but we aren't conclusive", or, "I'm not current on that topic, to speak about it", and leave it at that...

American said:

Damn shame you had to pick questionable sources, but I read them.

I read through some stuff about this TANF program, and what I'm guessing is that the real fight is over some buried details, because generally leftwing ideology supports dependence. So for someone like me to believe that the left is trying to put more people to work through an apparent increase in "states' rights" (i.e., allowing the states increased control), it would take an exact explanation of the detailed changes that constitute increased flexibility.

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I'm not sure why you think these where questionable sources, however, I am very pleased to heard you read the articles. I find Robert Reich a very credible source as well as the Washinton Post. I tend to seek out sources from as many different points of view as I can and then form my own opinion based on the evidence presented. The welfare to work issue is based on giving states more control over the welfare to work program, which I like because states can find better solutions on issues like this than a one size fits all Federal program. The ideology here is not a left one, but a more moderate one.

IndepCentristMA said:

Seriously... you must be an Obama supporter... I've seen that sort of inaccurate prejudicial commentary style before...

If you don't know... how can you comment? You should've left it right there...

Instead, you pulled an Obama...

"I may be biased, because Skip Gates is a friend of mine, and I haven't seen all the facts of the case, but the Cambridge Police acted stupidly"...

And in Obama's case... he's a lawyer, and should know better than to make statments without knowing all the facts...


One of the major problems with this country and the world society at the moment is we give way too much respect to people whose opinions aren't of a qualified authority to speak on a certain subject...

If you don't know, just simply leave it at "I don't know", or "I haven't seen it"... Why put your worthless opinion on the matter out there, since even YOU know it's not worth a solitary bean... nevermind the hill of them?!?!?!?


For as stupid as a lot of people said Bush and the officials in his administration were, at least most of them knew enough to say "We are still looking into that", "We don't have all the facts yet", "That's not consistent with the information we have, but we aren't conclusive", or, "I'm not current on that topic, to speak about it", and leave it at that...

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I hope you feel better after having your rant. I was making a comment on the post, not the ad itself. I simply said I had not seen it, but based on what was stated in the post, it would be a far cry from the most dishonest political ad in history.

joko104 said:

Democrats are now running THE most dishonest lying political ad in US history.

Showing pictures of Romney, the ads has Romney in his voice giving a speech saying that he and Ryan promise to lower taxes for the rich and for the purpose of the rich walking all over the middle class.

In fact, it is not Romney's voice and he never said what they claim is he in his voice saying it.

It would be essentially impossible to run a more dishonest, lying add than to totally make up a quote and declare it is the candidate in his own voice saying it as proof. NOWHERE during the ad does it hint that it really is not Romney's voice. Total, 100% dishonestly to the most extreme possible.

I suppose Republicans should now run ads with Obama in his own voice calling Hispanics "wetbacks" and claiming they are so stupid they'll vote for him no matter how much he trashes them, with Obama going on to say that those "wetbacks are so ignorant they'll vote for me even though I've deported more of those Mexicans than Bush ever did" and promising after the election he'll "run all those damn Mexicans out of my country."

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It's been over a day now since you posted this. It seems to me that you could post a link to this Democratic ad if there really is one. Please provide a link to the ad or acknowledge that you have nothing.

Hairytic said:

I hope you feel better after having your rant. I was making a comment on the post, not the ad itself. I simply said I had not seen it, but based on what was stated in the post, it would be a far cry from the most dishonest political ad in history.

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First off... you still havent changed the fact that you have not seen the ad, and shouldn't comment on it... saying commenting on the post and not the ad doesn't change the fact that you venture and opinion of the ad without having seen it...

Then you go and distort and misstate "Roemny"s positions as well... Obama already did take from Medicare to cover the added costs of ObamaCare... Many people do classify Obama as a socialist, he has no plan to get people working again other than give away more money (that we don't have to spend) and he has increased the number of welfare recipients for the first time since 1996 when welfare was reformed under Clinton... So Romney would be right on all of those accords... However, I've never seen a single thing where Romney called Obama a socialist... that there would be your dishonesty...

really batting a thousand there...

IndepCentristMA said:

First off... you still havent changed the fact that you have not seen the ad, and shouldn't comment on it... saying commenting on the post and not the ad doesn't change the fact that you venture and opinion of the ad without having seen it...

Then you go and distort and misstate "Roemny"s positions as well... Obama already did take from Medicare to cover the added costs of ObamaCare... Many people do classify Obama as a socialist, he has no plan to get people working again other than give away more money (that we don't have to spend) and he has increased the number of welfare recipients for the first time since 1996 when welfare was reformed under Clinton... So Romney would be right on all of those accords... However, I've never seen a single thing where Romney called Obama a socialist... that there would be your dishonesty...

really batting a thousand there...

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I have not seen the ad because I can't find it. Post a link to it, then I can see it. You have yet to produce a link to the ad, even though the request has been made more than once. I didn't distort Romney's position. He does that all by himself. In fact, it is hard to know Romney's position on anything. He flip flops too much. Next, just because some people call Obama a socialist does not make him one. The socialists call Obama a moderate at best. Obama has not taken money out of medicare to pay for Obamacare. This is a distortion of the truth. The amount of money Romney claims Obama has taken out of medicare to pay for Obamacare is really the amount of money that Obamacare saves in medical care. Get your facts right. Obama has had many plans to create jobs, which the republicans blocked and spent their time on Anti-abortion legislation instead. THe reason people are on welfare more now is because of the lack of jobs, which was not a plan of Obama's to make people dependent on the government. It is the condition of a poor economy. Romney's idea of fixing the poor economy is to give the rich more tax breaks. Honestly, you don't sound like a centerist.

Hairytic said:

I have not seen the ad because I can't find it. Post a link to it, then I can see it. You have yet to produce a link to the ad, even though the request has been made more than once. I didn't distort Romney's position. He does that all by himself. In fact, it is hard to know Romney's position on anything. He flip flops too much. Next, just because some people call Obama a socialist does not make him one. The socialists call Obama a moderate at best. Obama has not taken money out of medicare to pay for Obamacare. This is a distortion of the truth. The amount of money Romney claims Obama has taken out of medicare to pay for Obamacare is really the amount of money that Obamacare saves in medical care. Get your facts right. Obama has had many plans to create jobs, which the republicans blocked and spent their time on Anti-abortion legislation instead. THe reason people are on welfare more now is because of the lack of jobs, which was not a plan of Obama's to make people dependent on the government. It is the condition of a poor economy. Romney's idea of fixing the poor economy is to give the rich more tax breaks. Honestly, you don't sound like a centerist.

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I don't even know that the ad exists... I think you've lost track of your own argument... someone else posted the story...

I'm the one who pointed out how ridiculous it was to be talking out of the thing that you sit on and occasionally release excrement from... best to stop while its only coming out of your head...

Romney has a proven record, you can refer to it if you want to know what his position is... His position is clearly balancing a budget, creating growth, creating jobs, completing large scale construction projects, and doing all those things Obama is unable to do... not just once... but every single time he has been the chief executive of a large organization...

Obama's position doesn't matter, because he is completely ineffective as a leader... so what he says is meaningless, he can't get it done...

Romney is right, Obama stole money from Medicare to pay for ObamaCare... Romney is right, Obama has no ideas to create jobs, Obama put a plan to spend more government money, that's not creating a job, that's creating a crutch funded by taxpayers... that's not real growth, that's the kind of growth that causes retraction once the funds run out, as we are seeing now..

I also didn't say Obama is a socialist because many people say it... I said many people feel it to show that you're making a judgement on an subjective matter, not an objective one... Many people feel Obama is a socialist, and they have the right to feel that way based off of many of his actions, his statements, his social connections and his political influences... So if Mitt Romney said it, it wouldn't be a lie, it would be advancing a commonly held position... However, as I've said, I've seen nothing where Romney has called Obama a socialist... so if you got some sort of evidence, show it... Otherwise, you blatantly lied...

The reason MORE people are on welfare now than ever before, is because Obama included it in ARRA...

I didn't ask you what I sound like... nor whether you think I am a "centerist" or not... That has nothing to do with your inability to defend your inaccurate positions effectively... My advice would be to start by not taking such inaccurate postions to begin with

I know what I am and how I've voted... You said, yourself, Romney is a moderate... and, as a big Romney supporter, I, too, am center-right... I am not a Republican... and I have voted for both major parties, third party, independent, and written in candidates for several positions in several elections...

However, the Democratic Party as it stands today is lost as to what is truly the right course of action... and their supposed leaders have done nothing in life to warrant approval... they're just talkers... advancing empty rhetoric and faulty theories...

Obama railed against Bush and his generals for using a surge tactic... then came into office and used a surge tactic, with AFPAK
Obama railed against Bush for causing two wars... then massively expanded troops in Afghanistan and sent air strikes into Libya
Obama railed against Bush for not withdrawing from Iraq... then came into office, and left Bush's withdrawal timetable
Obama railed against Bush for pre-emptive strike (Biden even said it should result in impeachment)... yet Obama used pre-emptive strikes in Libya
Obama railed against Bush for keeping GITMO open... but as president has kept Guantanamo open
Obama railed against Bush for the Bush Tax Cuts... then extended them, and has had 4 years of tax rates, and they've been exactly the same

So either, he was BSing, is Bush in costume, flip-flopped all his positions, or just simply can't be counted on to accomplish anything...

In that case... it's time to "change" the person in the position...

IndepCentristMA said:

Romney has a proven record, you can refer to it if you want to know what his position is... His position is clearly balancing a budget, creating growth, creating jobs, completing large scale construction projects, and doing all those things Obama is unable to do... not just once... but every single time he has been the chief executive of a large organization...

Obama's position doesn't matter, because he is completely ineffective as a leader... so what he says is meaningless, he can't get it done...

Romney is right, Obama stole money from Medicare to pay for ObamaCare... Romney is right, Obama has no ideas to create jobs, Obama put a plan to spend more government money, that's not creating a job, that's creating a crutch funded by taxpayers... that's not real growth, that's the kind of growth that causes retraction once the funds run out, as we are seeing now..

I also didn't say Obama is a socialist because many people say it... I said many people feel it to show that you're making a judgement on an subjective matter, not an objective one... Many people feel Obama is a socialist, and they have the right to feel that way based off of many of his actions, his statements, his social connections and his political influences... So if Mitt Romney said it, it wouldn't be a lie, it would be advancing a commonly held position... However, as I've said, I've seen nothing where Romney has called Obama a socialist... so if you got some sort of evidence, show it... Otherwise, you blatantly lied...

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Yes, Romney has a proven record for supporting Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. He has a proven record for creating jobs outside of the US. He has a proven record for telling lies, like he was a resident of Massachusetts when he was actually a resident of Utah according to his tax returns. He has a proven record of killing more jobs in the US than he created. He has a proven record of having think skin when it comes to anyone saying anything bad about him and his record. He has a proven record of accepting corporate welfare while supporting cuts to programs that help the elderly and children as well as all the poor. He is not a proven leader. His campaign is falling apart, so he can't even lead that correctly. Romney has no clear plans to do anything. That is the problem, He won't give details on any of his plans for this country.
Obama is a proven leader who has stablized the economy and brought it into recovery. He got Bin Laden. He has improved the US reputation around the world. He has proposed many job creating bills that the GOP in congress has blocked because they are too busy trying to pass anti-abortion and anti-womens health bills. If you do the research, you would know that Romney is lying when he says that Obama took money from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. ROmney also lied when he said Obama cut the welfare to work program.
No matter which way you slice it, government money will have to be spent to create jobs.
My vote goes to Obama, the proven leader with thick skin that doesn't cry everytime someone says something bad about him.