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This election could be Republicans’ last chance

poweRob said:
I don't know about that. I think that the next four years is going to see economic rebound, regardless of whose president, that can be a wave to ride in 2016. By 2016 the Eurpean economic crises won't be a yoke around our economic necks and they'll rebound into a stronger purchaser of our goods. IMO... whomever wins in 2012 will be looking rather good in 2016. If Obama wins, the GOP will have no excuses for why the economy turned around after GW Bush and if Romney wins he'll take credit for the economic turn-around that is already happening but will happen even greater in the next four years.



The future is definitely looking brighter for liberty and equality.
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Gave your post a LIKE because you caught me in a rare moment of hope and optimism. I do so hope you are right.

Having said that, I expect the worse as inch, crawl or possible even sprint to corporate fascism.
 
poweRob said:
And who the hell ever said that other than you just now?



Thing is, I never did...

lack of critical thinking....what a conservative concept
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typical libby quibbling. of course you never had the guts to actually say it...like all your ilk, you gutlessly imply it.
 
OscarB63 said:
and everyone knows that ALL whites are racists. :roll:

funny how "you people" are always wetting yourself and squealing about how :2bigcry: "unfair" it is to stereotype all blacks as thugs and criminals due to the actions of a few, yet you have no problem blaming all white people for the attitudes and actions of a few.

hypocrisy...what a liberal concept
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Yep, another example of binary thinking - criticism of some for racist actions and there you go again - conflating "some" into "all" - why is that?
 
This election is the GOP's last chance to vindicate George Dumbya Bush. This is what the election is really about.
 
Somerville said:
With all of the debate, not only in this forum but elsewhere across America, as to whether or not the Republicans are 'playing the race card' in their promotion of various bits of legislation which disproportionately affect minorities, some might actually see that race is a real problem for the GOP. The demographics are changing and some folks don't like it. Whether you think it is racism or not, there are many Americans of European descent who fear living in a nation where they have become the minority. They may not advocate blatant racial discrimination but all too often they remain silent in the face of actions by a more virulent minority of their number.




The question then becomes - Can brown and black work together in opposition to well-funded white groups refusing to cede their place at the top of society, even as the whites become a smaller percentage of the population? Or could we have a situation as during the 'good ol' days' when the powerful elites in the South suppressed the labour movement by promoting racism amongst poor whites and as a result both poor whites and blacks were screwed.
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The highlighted portion of your first sentence is false. Therefore everything that follows in your post is irrelevant because it's based on a false premise.

Sorry, dude...you fail.
 
There losing credibility with the thing's they say and the way they go about their business. They have money but that is all that is going for them. Yes, the white population will eventually lose majority but many whites already don't support the GOP. There isn't really a last chance for Republicans they had there chance and nominated Romney. Part of the GOP will not stand by him or will vote for him because they see him as the lesser evil while Obama supporters are not conflicted.
 
Fiddytree said:
The GOP has been in existence since the 1850s. Certainly we had previous big political parties which had much shorter lifespans, but since the mid-19th century, that has not been the case. In that time, there had been enormous platform evolutions, which to this day, become complicated to explain to people. That is the strength of the Democratic and Republican parties.
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As with the Liberal Party, which had lasted much longer.
 
Paschendale said:
When power is grossly abused, I blame the powerful.
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LMFAO @ power being abused...

there isn't a race out there that is guilt free of past and current abuses...

and there hasn't been a single nation that has done more for the advancement of human rights than the United States of America...

... so how about you actually respond to the rest of the post, instead of clinging to your recycled fortune cookie cliche?
 
Mycroft said:
their promotion of various bits of legislation which disproportionately affect minorities
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The highlighted portion of your first sentence is false. Therefore everything that follows in your post is irrelevant because it's based on a false premise.

Sorry, dude...you fail.
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dude - i do believe denial is not just a river in Egypt

Republican Attorneys General want parts of the Voting Rights Act repealed

Ohio GOP Elections Board Member Admits Desire to Exclude Blacks From Voting

Study: Many Could Face Obstacles In Voter ID Laws

More than 60 family planning clinics forced to close—only 12 belonged to Planned Parenthood. Critics say conservative lawmakers are ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water.’
 
 
Somerville said:
dude - i do believe denial is not just a river in Egypt

1. Republican Attorneys General want parts of the Voting Rights Act repealed

2. Ohio GOP Elections Board Member Admits Desire to Exclude Blacks From Voting

3. Study: Many Could Face Obstacles In Voter ID Laws

4. More than 60 family planning clinics forced to close—only 12 belonged to Planned Parenthood. Critics say conservative lawmakers are ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water.’
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These links illustrate the problem a lot of liberals and their ilk have when issuing blanket statements and then trying to justify them: They don't think.

1. Attorneys-Generals?? I didn't know they enacted legislation. For sure, they aren't enacting anything in this case. They are making their opinion known to the Court, though. Now, the "article" (can't really call it an article...it's more of a liberal spouting off with lots of implication, a bunch of innuendo and very little substance) is really useless from an information point of view...it's more along the lines of a campaign ad. It certainly doesn't support your claim.

2. Again, no legislators involved...but lots of misdirection and spin on the part of the writer. Still no support for you.

3. Now this one "could" be applicable, until you look a little deeper than the surface of the story. It cites a study from the Brennen Center for Justice. Who is this Center and what is their stand? They are a left wing organization aligned with Soros, are proponents of the idea of a "living constitution", among other left-wing attitudes and causes. Kind of puts a damper on any thoughts of impartiality of THEIR studies. Oh, well...no help for you.

4. And here's another hit piece that seems serious...if you don't look beneath the surface. It talks about how the Texas legislature cut funding and made things harder for lots of health clinics. It even mentions funding being restricted to Federally Qualified Health Centers. But someone thinking instead of reacting might ask, "What is a Federally Qualified Health Center?". The answer can be found from good old Wiki:

A Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC) is a reimbursement designation from the Bureau of Primary Health Care and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services of the United States Department of Health and Human Services. This designation is significant for several health programs funded under the Health Center Consolidation Act (Section 330 of the Public Health Service Act).

Health programs funded include:
Community Health Centers which serve a variety of Federally designated Medically Underserved Area/Populations (MUA or MUP).
Migrant Health Centers which provide culturally-competent and primary preventive medical care to migrant and seasonal agricultural workers,
Health Care for the Homeless Programs which reach out to homeless individuals and families and provide primary and preventive care and substance abuse services, and
Public Housing Primary Care Programs that serve residents of public housing and are located in or adjacent to the communities they serve.[1]

FQHCs are community-based organizations that provide comprehensive primary care and preventive care, including health, oral, and mental health/substance abuse services to persons of all ages, regardless of their ability to pay or health insurance status. Thus, they are a critical component of the health care safety net.[2] FQHCs are called Community/Migrant Health Centers (C/MHC), Community Health Centers (CHC), and 330 Funded Clinics.
Federally Qualified Health Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Now...Texas is number 2 in the amount of FQHC's. California is first. The Federal Government spends over $2 billion a year on them. When a State, facing a deficit, must cut expenses...it stands to reason that those health clinics that are unable to achieve FQHC status would be first to go. So it appears that Texas has taken a commendable course.


Now, Somerville, I can understand you, a socialist, disagreeing with Republican directions. But I encourage you to at least think and read...apply a little critical reasoning...before you post stupid stuff to this forum.
 
Mycroft said:
These links illustrate the problem a lot of liberals and their ilk have when issuing blanket statements and then trying to justify them: They don't think.

1. Attorneys-Generals?? I didn't know they enacted legislation. For sure, they aren't enacting anything in this case. They are making their opinion known to the Court, though. Now, the "article" (can't really call it an article...it's more of a liberal spouting off with lots of implication, a bunch of innuendo and very little substance) is really useless from an information point of view...it's more along the lines of a campaign ad. It certainly doesn't support your claim.

2. Again, no legislators involved...but lots of misdirection and spin on the part of the writer. Still no support for you.

3. Now this one "could" be applicable, until you look a little deeper than the surface of the story. It cites a study from the Brennen Center for Justice. Who is this Center and what is their stand? They are a left wing organization aligned with Soros, are proponents of the idea of a "living constitution", among other left-wing attitudes and causes. Kind of puts a damper on any thoughts of impartiality of THEIR studies. Oh, well...no help for you.

4. And here's another hit piece that seems serious...if you don't look beneath the surface. It talks about how the Texas legislature cut funding and made things harder for lots of health clinics. It even mentions funding being restricted to Federally Qualified Health Centers. But someone thinking instead of reacting might ask, "What is a Federally Qualified Health Center?". The answer can be found from good old Wiki:



Now...Texas is number 2 in the amount of FQHC's. California is first. The Federal Government spends over $2 billion a year on them. When a State, facing a deficit, must cut expenses...it stands to reason that those health clinics that are unable to achieve FQHC status would be first to go. So it appears that Texas has taken a commendable course.


Now, Somerville, I can understand you, a socialist, disagreeing with Republican directions. But I encourage you to at least think and read...apply a little critical reasoning...before you post stupid stuff to this forum.
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Thank you for your well reasoned attack on a few quick links I posted. I didn't and don't at this time have the time to answer more fully your criticism - the ad hom attacks are duly noted --- oooh! Soros! ---
 
Somerville said:
Thank you for your well reasoned attack on a few quick links I posted. I didn't and don't at this time have the time to answer more fully your criticism - the ad hom attacks are duly noted --- oooh! Soros! ---
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Ahhh...

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why you posted those links.

And, yeah...anything that is connected to Soros tweaks my anti-liberal radar and gets maximum suspicion from me.

Anyway, instead of answering my criticism, I suggest you research and find links to support your previous claim. Your time would be better spent that way. And please...think before you post, eh?
 
OscarB63 said:
typical libby quibbling. of course you never had the guts to actually say it...like all your ilk, you gutlessly imply it.
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So your style of debate is regular whining and crying about liberals and tossing around generalities and off topic insults? Got anything else?
 
Somerville said:
The question then becomes - Can brown and black work together in opposition to well-funded white groups refusing to cede their place at the top of society, even as the whites become a smaller percentage of the population? Or could we have a situation as during the 'good ol' days' when the powerful elites in the South suppressed the labour movement by promoting racism amongst poor whites and as a result both poor whites and blacks were screwed.
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It's called the GOP southern strategy.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Marc Thiessen: Romney’s play for Michigan - The Washington Post
Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa? Southwestern indeed. If Chicago werent ****ing up the Illinois election process, it would be in play, too.
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Those pesky people in a democracy getting in the way of you getting your way. darn!

OpportunityCost said:
As for selling out the future, I know which group of people is tackling the problem of unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security and which people are not doing so. The responsible adults in the room seem to belong to the GOP and not the dems. Remind me, when was the last time the Dems even tried to pass a budget?
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Had you said Libertarians instead of GOP you might have a point because they actually front policies instead of platitudes. The GOP is just as up old people's butts even though they are lying to them about what they'd do to medicare. The GOP is merely about abortion to rally the base and giving kickbacks in the form of tax-cuts and deregulation to their corporate donors so they'll keep their campaign cash flowing. That's not actually being the responsible adults in the room.
 
Taylor said:
We've had 50 years of this "help" - where has it gotten us? If the goal is to make "race not an issue," I'd recommend that white people concentrate on trying to educate themselves, thank you very much.
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more dependence and worse-a much larger sense of entitlement. Things are going to get ugly when the public teats start running dry
 
haymarket said:
Gave your post a LIKE because you caught me in a rare moment of hope and optimism. I do so hope you are right.

Having said that, I expect the worse as inch, crawl or possible even sprint to corporate fascism.
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Probably still headed to more corporatism... but the economy will recover in spite of it, not because of it.
 
poweRob said:
So your style of debate is regular whining and crying about liberals and tossing around generalities and off topic insults?
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my "style" is to call a gutless wonder, a gutless wonder

Got anything else?
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just some old photos of you performing felatio on an Obama blow-up doll
 
Fiddytree said:
Stupid premise. It's almost never "the last chance" for a political party with as much strength as the GOP.
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That's not all that makes the premise bad. I'm bored by the continual insinuations of racism, period.
 
nota bene said:
That's not all that makes the premise bad. I'm bored by the continual insinuations of racism, period.
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When you have no argument.....squeal "racism". Typical tactic of feebleminded crybabies
 
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