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Gun Owners should be scared of Romney

Fishstyx said:
So you honestly believe that not one senator would object? Thats more unrealistic than getting 60 to invoke cloture.

Not hoping, I know they would. You couldn't even get more than 70% (thats being generous too) of Democrat Senators to go along with this right now. Do you Mary Landrieu, Joe Manchin or any other Democrat Senator not from a dark blue state would go along with this? Unlikely.

Link to that poll? Not an article on the poll, the actual poll with crosstabs, polling sample,etc.
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Ignoring a unanimous consent motion, is different then voting for/against something, A hard case can claim, "I voted against that bill", who is gonna call them out for letting debate end, and taking a vote? I'm thinking Mittens could sweeten the deal for any holdouts anyway... Do you think republicans are more passionate about tax cuts or gun control? My experience is Tax Cuts trump all...


Guns

"A ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47"

Favor: 57
Oppose: 42
Unsure: 1
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you can shed that "independent label" with the Mittens comment but those of us who really understand the gun issue know several things and won't fall for this paid Obama propaganda trying to convince gun owners to vote for Obama Biden

1) Judges-the GOP picks most of the judges if Romney wins just as Senators like Sherrod Brown picks the District and appellate judges who sit in Ohio. The GOP judges are on the whole, far far more pro gun than people like Sotomayor

2) Biden has 3+ Decades of anti gun votes on record. Biden has voted for every gun restriction possible. he was the MAIN SENATE leader behind the clinton gun ban. the only thing that has kept Obama Biden in check is the political reality of what happened in 1994, the Heller decision and Harry Reid's refusal to let anti gun bills make it to the senate floor because Reid is smart enough to know he would get destroyed in his home state if he allowed a gun ban to pass

3) the Obama administration is full of anti gunners. Rahm Emanuel is one of the biggest gun haters alive. No such gun haters are in Romney's inner circle
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Mittens is a proven anti gun moderate. He expressed so as recently as 2007. He has not had a "change of heart", and he would sign it if it reached his desk, as would Obama. The DIFFERENCE being, Obama unifies the Republicans against Obama, so no such legislation would EVER reach Obama's desk. Mittens could broker a bipartisan deal to get his tax cut, one of the possible thing he could offer the Dems in exchange for cooperation is gun control. I think you guys underestimate Romneys desire to get his tax cut passed into law, that is probably the only agenda item he is passionate about.

Yes, i've pretty much written off Mittens as a presidential candidate. But i'm not a democrat, and I love my guns. What really bothers me about Mittens, is he flat out lies about his position on guns. Obama is at least honest. I'd rather know who I need to watch, rather than let my guard after electing a so called conservative. Remember guys, these dolts in congress gave W pretty much everything he asked for, including the largest entitlement program since M'Care.... I bet there were Contards saying oh, congress would NEVER pass a new entitlement back in 2000. They probably kept on saying that right up until it happened.

Obama in White House ensures Grid Lock... Grid lock is good.
 
avusbluem5 said:
Mittens is a proven anti gun moderate. He expressed so as recently as 2007. He has not had a "change of heart", and he would sign it if it reached his desk, as would Obama. The DIFFERENCE being, Obama unifies the Republicans against Obama, so no such legislation would EVER reach Obama's desk. Mittens could broker a bipartisan deal to get his tax cut, one of the possible thing he could offer the Dems in exchange for cooperation is gun control. I think you guys underestimate Romneys desire to get his tax cut passed into law, that is probably the only agenda item he is passionate about.

Yes, i've pretty much written off Mittens as a presidential candidate. But i'm not a democrat, and I love my guns. What really bothers me about Mittens, is he flat out lies about his position on guns. Obama is at least honest. I'd rather know who I need to watch, rather than let my guard after electing a so called conservative. Remember guys, these dolts in congress gave W pretty much everything he asked for, including the largest entitlement program since M'Care.... I bet there were Contards saying oh, congress would NEVER pass a new entitlement back in 2000. They probably kept on saying that right up until it happened.

Obama in White House ensures Grid Lock... Grid lock is good.
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Obama in the white house means more justices who hate guns. Kennedy and scalia are both over 75.

Biden is more anti gun than Romney

Obama is more anti gun than Romney and Ryan is hard core pro gun

Biden has voted for more anti gun laws than the GOP ticket combined.

remind me how Sotomayor voted on the gun issue that came before her
 
winston53660 said:
What are you talking about?
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the op tries to convince gun owners that Romney is the anti gun candidate

I was asking how Obama's selection to the supreme court voted on gun issues

she was against gun rights in a 5-4 decision. One of the five dies or resigns in the next four years, the guy who wins in 66 days or so will replace that justice. One more like Sotomayor means that gun rights can be terminated.

we don't know how A Romney nominee will vote but given who the most likely candidates are, I can tell you they are far more pro gun than the also rans who were in contention for the Kagan and Sotomayor posts are on guns and its not good
 
TurtleDude said:
Obama in the white house means more justices who hate guns.
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Romney hates guns. What makes you think he would appoint pro-gun justices?
 
TurtleDude said:
the op tries to convince gun owners that Romney is the anti gun candidate

I was asking how Obama's selection to the supreme court voted on gun issues

she was against gun rights in a 5-4 decision. One of the five dies or resigns in the next four years, the guy who wins in 66 days or so will replace that justice. One more like Sotomayor means that gun rights can be terminated.

we don't know how A Romney nominee will vote but given who the most likely candidates are, I can tell you they are far more pro gun than the also rans who were in contention for the Kagan and Sotomayor posts are on guns and its not good
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Romney is Anti Gun... His own words.

There are no good options, as you have two candidates to choose from, both are anti gun moderates. I see no difference in how either would choose a Justice on this issue. I don't care about Gay Marriage, Abortion, or any of that BS social agenda the Republicans promote, so I'm not swayed by that junk.

I think the more immediate concern is new legislation. The supreme court isn't going to enact a new assault weapons ban, but Mitt could sneak it through, if that is what it took to get his tax cut.
 
TurtleDude said:
the op tries to convince gun owners that Romney is the anti gun candidate

I was asking how Obama's selection to the supreme court voted on gun issues

she was against gun rights in a 5-4 decision. One of the five dies or resigns in the next four years, the guy who wins in 66 days or so will replace that justice. One more like Sotomayor means that gun rights can be terminated.

we don't know how A Romney nominee will vote but given who the most likely candidates are, I can tell you they are far more pro gun than the also rans who were in contention for the Kagan and Sotomayor posts are on guns and its not good
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I stilll don't know what you are talking about.
 
avusbluem5 said:
Ignoring a unanimous consent motion, is different then voting for/against something, A hard case can claim, "I voted against that bill", who is gonna call them out for letting debate end, and taking a vote? I'm thinking Mittens could sweeten the deal for any holdouts anyway... Do you think republicans are more passionate about tax cuts or gun control? My experience is Tax Cuts trump all...


Guns

"A ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47"

Favor: 57
Oppose: 42
Unsure: 1
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Tax cuts do not trump all. I know thats a common narrative, but where the rubber meets the road, there is no way this passes with unanimous consent. Off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen Senators right off the bat that wouldn't go with it. Demint being on top.

As far as the poll, what is the break down of the sample as you didn't provide it with your link, i.e. sample was xx% Dem, xx% Rep, xx%Ind, etc.
 
Fishstyx said:
Tax cuts do not trump all. I know thats a common narrative, but where the rubber meets the road, there is no way this passes with unanimous consent. Off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen Senators right off the bat that wouldn't go with it. Demint being on top.

As far as the poll, what is the break down of the sample as you didn't provide it with your link, i.e. sample was xx% Dem, xx% Rep, xx%Ind, etc.
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Same guys who rubber stamped W's M'Care prescription drug plan, whose cost is not expected to exceed $1 Trillion over the next 10 years. Gee, I feel so much better now... 0_0

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/08/09/rel7a.pdf

From this it appears Republicans are split almost 50/50 on assault weapons ban.

Favor = 49%
Oppose = 50%
 
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