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Pentagon denounces new swift-boating of Obama

Another Lurker said:
Hmmm ... two swift boats (Patrol Craft Fast 23 and 94), each with a crew of 6 (One officer, five enlisted), from CTF-115.

My fuzzy math says 12 ... YOUR fuzzy math says 25.

I think I'll stick with my fuzzy math since the record supports my numbers.

How many free bar drinks have you picked up with this "I was there story"?

Adios.

A L
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Nice try, but flat out wrong.

There were THREE boats. You forgot the 43 boat, with Don Droz as the commander.

One of the boats had myself and two other Army advisors (the 23 boat, commanded by Bill Rood). Kerry's boat had a fairly new officer (LtJg. Charles Gibson) on board for training. Kerry also had LtJg. Peter Upton, a UDT guy, and two of his people. 6 + 6 + 6 + 3 + 4 = 25.

It's all in the records. The real records, not your made up records.

Doug Reese
 
disneydude said:
'Swift-Boating' Obama? Pentagon denounces politics of attack ad - Yahoo! News

The swift-boat liars disgraced the uniform with their lies and propoganda in 2004. Kudos to the Pentagon and the military for standing up for the military and preventing these new swift-boaters from bringing dishonor and shame to the uniform.
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You didn't read or understand your own link did ya? They're not denouncing the content, what these former SpecOps folks have to say about Obama leaking, they're objecting to SpecOps being dragged into a political dustup.

As for the Swift Boaters, they were right on the money and NEVER changed their story - they were saying the same thing in 1971 when Kerry was trying to use his service to gain his first political seat. Kerry told lie after lie and dishonored the uniform and the service with regularity.

It's strikingly obvious you weren't there and are speaking strictly from an politically partisan, uneducated, level.
 
"They", in 1971 were just one person -- John O'Neill. He wasn't in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry. He did not attack Kerry's service back then, but went after him about his anti-war comments.

There was no Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" until May of 2004.

Doug Reese
 
DougReese said:
Nice try, but flat out wrong.

There were THREE boats. You forgot the 43 boat, with Don Droz as the commander.

One of the boats had myself and two other Army advisors (the 23 boat, commanded by Bill Rood). Kerry's boat had a fairly new officer (LtJg. Charles Gibson) on board for training. Kerry also had LtJg. Peter Upton, a UDT guy, and two of his people. 6 + 6 + 6 + 3 + 4 = 25.

It's all in the records. The real records, not your made up records.

Doug Reese
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I'll use your very own "nice try".

The citation to accompany the SS does not mention the "43 boat".

Go back to the bar.

A L
 
Another Lurker said:
I'll use your very own "nice try".

The citation to accompany the SS does not mention the "43 boat".

Go back to the bar.

A L
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Doesn't mention the 43 boat? Of course not -- why should it. The citation is for Kerry, not Droz.

The info regarding who was present, the details of all that happened would be in the after-action report. The Navy uses the term "spot report".

Go the #4 on page one, and you'll see all three boats listed.

Read further, and you'll see a mention of "Cai Nuoc", which is where we advisors lived.

http://www.kerryvietnam.org/PDFs/SeaLords270.pdf

Doug Reese

PS. I don't drink.
 
DougReese said:
Doesn't mention the 43 boat? Of course not -- why should it. The citation is for Kerry, not Droz.

The info regarding who was present, the details of all that happened would be in the after-action report. The Navy uses the term "spot report".

Go the #4 on page one, and you'll see all three boats listed.

Read further, and you'll see a mention of "Cai Nuoc", which is where we advisors lived.

http://www.kerryvietnam.org/PDFs/SeaLords270.pdf

Doug Reese

PS. I don't drink.
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I looked at this. I think you may have heard of a fellow named Westmoreland. You may have also heard of "body count".

You like to be dismissive of facts because you claim you were there ... okay, so be it. But for your perusal I have these links for your reading pleasure:

Craig Roberts -- John Kerry's Silver Star
Craig Roberts -- John Kerry's Silver Star


JOHN KERRY'S SILVER STAR. Craig Roberts October 28, 2004 NewsWithViews .com. I just read John Kerry's Silver Star citation and almost fell out of my chair.

FrontPage Magazine - John Kerry's Puzzling Silver Star Citations
FrontPage Magazine...

John Kerry's Silver Star
John Kerry's Silver Star

Questions swirl around Kerry's Silver Star
Questions swirl around Kerry’s Silver Star

Since you claim that you were at the 'event', were you also at the photo shoot?

I wonder why there is such a discrepancy between the AAR and all of k's citations. Your numbers don't add up (what happened to the 30 troops on each vessel?) and you have a fantastic memory when it comes to the names of the folks on k's boat. Killing a fleeing loin-cloth girded VC who was already wounded by an M-60 bullet is hardly SS material ... ooops, I forgot ... that disappeared from subsequent citations. Do you happen to know what the caliber of a M-60 is? Do you happen to know what happens to a human body part when it is hit with that caliber weapon (not to mention the rest of the body)?

The 28 Feb report says the uniforms were found a mile inland. The 1 Mar report does not mention that distance. Oh, and by the way, I thought abandoning your vessel was a courts-martial offense for a Naval Officer. Does a SS AWARDED two days after the event keep that from happening?

All of this is only a part of the jfk "incredible" story. Only YOU actually know if you were there when all this happened. Personally I doubt it. You claim you don't drink ... good enough ... go to the bar and have someone buy you a pepsi.

I don't think there is much more for us to intercourse about.

A L
 
"Your numbers don't add up (what happened to the 30 troops on each vessel?) and you have a fantastic memory when it comes to the names of the folks on k's boat."

Huh? Those troops were Vietnamese. The 25 guys I referred to were the Americans present.

Oh, and Westmoreland and "body count"? What in the world are you talking about?

As to the damage done by an M-60, having spent 17 months in Vietnam, all in a combat position, I am well aware of what damage it can cause. You are aware of what the anti-Kerry people tell you, as I am sure you have never been in combat. The fact is, the guy was wounded, as mentioned in the AAR. But he was quite able to run, and he was quite able to fire the loaded B-40 he was carrying, if in fact he was going to try. Kerry killed him before he had a chance.

Your links are full of falsehoods and misrepresentations. They are short on facts. But you are right, we don't have much to talk about, since you are so full of hate for Kerry you believe every piece of anti-Kerry crap put out there.

Doug Reese

PS. Photo shoot? After everything died down, we were there for a while. A number of guys took photos, Kerry included, with his 8mm movie camera. Big deal. So?
 
Bronson said:
Jimmy Carter would have given that order

Stop acting like Obama is Rambo or something. Like he led the raid with guns ablaze. It's embarrassing.
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