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Romney's tale about Bain, not adding up: [W:37]

CONSagainROMNEY

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Mitt Romney Bain Capital Claims Don't Hold Up To Evidence

Oh-oh, more lies...

In a federal disclosure form filed last August as part of his presidential bid, Romney said he "retired" from the company on Feb. 11, 1999, and since then "has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way." That date has been repeated by Romney and his team throughout the presidential campaign.

But a growing pile of evidence shows that Romney was involved in Bain's dealings far longer than he claims. From signatures on Securities and Exchange Commission filings to his own sworn testimony, this body of proof reveals how Romney's fingerprints lingered on Bain transactions well into 2002, even while he was managing the Olympics.
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Do you think that the American people care about that issue when everyone focus is on the economy?
 
Hasnt it been stated that Romney was still somehow involved with Bain for a couple years after retirement repeatedly already? I could be mistaken but I dont think this is news.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
This is going to be a story with legs, especialy once the debates come and everyone starts talking about Romney's time and Bain and ROmney's tax returns.
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Only among those voting for the other guy no matter his record. Tempest in a tea cup.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
This is going to be a story with legs, especialy once the debates come and everyone starts talking about Romney's time and Bain and ROmney's tax returns.
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Your pathetic and frantic attempts to constantly whine about Romney prove two things

1) your posts ooze POE

2) you are hard core OBAMA supporter

so take your faux conservative nonsense someplace else. the real conservatives who don't like Romney are far more likely to bash Obama too. The obama POES are spewing the stuff you do
 
TurtleDude said:
Your pathetic and frantic attempts to constantly whine about Romney prove two things

1) your posts ooze POE

2) you are hard core OBAMA supporter

so take your faux conservative nonsense someplace else. the real conservatives who don't like Romney are far more likely to bash Obama too. The obama POES are spewing the stuff you do
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OMG, that thought never crossed my mind.

Edit: Seriously.
 
clownboy said:
Only among those voting for the other guy no matter his record. Tempest in a tea cup.
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THere are alot of folks who have active lives and cant be bothered by the day to day nonsense of politics - not until the debates anyways. THese foks see blurbs here and there on the late night shows and what not, but they will really get their first look at the candidates whenthey go head to head in the debates. Btw, has Obama and ROmney ever actually met in person before? Or will the debates be the first?
Anyhow, this is when the candidates will be defined by these Independent and Undecided voters. And this is when ROmney's sinister experience at Bain capital
and his refusal to release his tax returns will hit critical mass! Just watch and see.
 
I have noticed something weird. I know it is potentially damaging to him to show proof of what we already know. We know he used every legal loophole and government welfare for the rich program he could. It is all legal, and what anyone could expect from a person in his position at Bain. It is even legal for him to attempt to change tax laws to benefit him and other rich people while putting the burden on the poor. That has all been argued before, and it is getting pretty old.

there is an odd thing that came to my mind when he made his last excuse. When he claimed he did not want to show his religious donations, but has done a number of claims regarding his dedication and high place in the mormon religion I realized why he might not want his private tax records going public. It is not actually us that he is worried about. He already brags of his religion and his donations. His history shows he has gotten many benefits from being mormon, including help in getting his wealth. No, I bet there are a few powerful and rich members of the mormon church who have backed him all of his life, and they may not be happy when they find out how Mittens has kept his income from the religion which has carried him all of his life. Not that I care too much how often he tithed or did not. I really don't think the rest of america is going to change their mind one way or another based on his "charitable" contributions. I only put charitable in quotes because I have seen many things which say the mormon church is close to scientology in their compliance with tax free charities and religions under US tax code. About the only people I could see caring whether he donates enough, or not enough would be the people who feel he owes them for their help.

Aside from that i think most america has made up their mind regarding his taxes. I cannot even see his dishonesty making much of a difference anymore. It is not like the guy has been a reliable and consistent person in regards to any of his ideas. Even republicans are admitting the guy has taken flip flopping to an art form. it is not an argument that phases the anyone but obama crowd, and everyone else knows who he is in regards to sticking to his word. You just simply cannot ruin the reputation of a liar by proving he lies.
 
tererun said:
I have noticed something weird. I know it is potentially damaging to him to show proof of what we already know. We know he used every legal loophole and government welfare for the rich program he could. It is all legal, and what anyone could expect from a person in his position at Bain. It is even legal for him to attempt to change tax laws to benefit him and other rich people while putting the burden on the poor. That has all been argued before, and it is getting pretty old.

there is an odd thing that came to my mind when he made his last excuse. When he claimed he did not want to show his religious donations, but has done a number of claims regarding his dedication and high place in the mormon religion I realized why he might not want his private tax records going public. It is not actually us that he is worried about. He already brags of his religion and his donations. His history shows he has gotten many benefits from being mormon, including help in getting his wealth. No, I bet there are a few powerful and rich members of the mormon church who have backed him all of his life, and they may not be happy when they find out how Mittens has kept his income from the religion which has carried him all of his life. Not that I care too much how often he tithed or did not. I really don't think the rest of america is going to change their mind one way or another based on his "charitable" contributions. I only put charitable in quotes because I have seen many things which say the mormon church is close to scientology in their compliance with tax free charities and religions under US tax code. About the only people I could see caring whether he donates enough, or not enough would be the people who feel he owes them for their help.

Aside from that i think most america has made up their mind regarding his taxes. I cannot even see his dishonesty making much of a difference anymore. It is not like the guy has been a reliable and consistent person in regards to any of his ideas. Even republicans are admitting the guy has taken flip flopping to an art form. it is not an argument that phases the anyone but obama crowd, and everyone else knows who he is in regards to sticking to his word. You just simply cannot ruin the reputation of a liar by proving he lies.
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THere is a story out there that a mormon group worked hard at trying to get the gay marriage law in California denied. It is also out there that Romney threw alot of money their way. Now this group has morphed into part of Romney's campaign. So the question is, was that money he donated part of his tithing??? Was he making charitable donations to poltical organizations that were putting forth his agenda? If that is the case, then were they really charitable donations? Because if they were not, if they were investments in his campaign, then he has to pay taxes on them.

So you may be right. He refusal to release his taxes could very likely implicate his faith in some of his wrong-doing. And he would never throw his religion under the bus.
 
TurtleDude said:
Your pathetic and frantic attempts to constantly whine about Romney prove two things

1) your posts ooze POE

2) you are hard core OBAMA supporter

so take your faux conservative nonsense someplace else. the real conservatives who don't like Romney are far more likely to bash Obama too. The obama POES are spewing the stuff you do
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It makes sense for old school conservatives and republicans to bail on the modern republican party. if you are a fiscal conservative neither the republicans or democrats represent your views. They both spend tons of money and waste taxes. How much money and time has been wasted trying to revoke obamacare? How much time and money has been wasted trying to stop gays from marrying? How much time and money has been wasted on illegal immigrants and new fail laws regarding them? It is just a difference of where they overspend, and not about cleaning up the waste. The neo-con and modern republican parties are very wasteful, and the old ideas of fiscal responsibility and valuing hard work and good values are completely gone from the republican party. Seriously, mitt has never ever worked a hard day in his entire life. His big success was a company which has the purpose of buying and selling other companies for profit. bain did not make anything themselves. they did not invent anything themselves. They made money by shifting money around and destroying other real companies for the few dollars they could make doing it. At least GWB pretended to do yard work. mitt watches horse ballet. If you had a hard day of real work to do would you take Mitt out to do it with you? He would not only be useless, he would set you back.

So yeah i can see why some old school conservatibes and republicans would be quite bothered with the representatives they have been offered.
 
Some us ARE from the generation you would call old school (the ancient time called the 50s) and we're bothered by the whole damn thing. But bothered by Romney? Not even a remote chance when Obama is waiting to take another term. It's relative and we all live, pay taxes (well, some of us) and vote in the present. We older conservatives still only have the choice between Romney and Obama. Those of us who fell for Obama's line of crap last time won't vote for him again.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
THere is a story out there that a mormon group worked hard at trying to get the gay marriage law in California denied. It is also out there that Romney threw alot of money their way. Now this group has morphed into part of Romney's campaign. So the question is, was that money he donated part of his tithing??? Was he making charitable donations to poltical organizations that were putting forth his agenda? If that is the case, then were they really charitable donations? Because if they were not, if they were investments in his campaign, then he has to pay taxes on them.

So you may be right. He refusal to release his taxes could very likely implicate his faith in some of his wrong-doing. And he would never throw his religion under the bus.
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further proof that ROmney is trying to protect the Mormon church is that Harry Ried is a morman and so is Johh Huntsman Sr - who both sem to know that ROmney has very good reason not to release his taxes...
 
"Focus on the economy!" Screams the right wing. "This is all just political BS trying to distract the voters!"

"Now here's a list of Obama's lies, his childhood history and that one crazy pastor guy and say did you know he pals around with terrorists KENYAN MARXIST by the way his wife is just so snooty for suggesting kids eat healthy 57 states death panels global warming hoax gay agenda taking our guns..."

"Oh, and the National Hurricane Center has a liberal bias"
 
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CONSagainROMNEY said:
THere are alot of folks who have active lives and cant be bothered by the day to day nonsense of politics - not until the debates anyways. THese foks see blurbs here and there on the late night shows and what not, but they will really get their first look at the candidates whenthey go head to head in the debates. Btw, has Obama and ROmney ever actually met in person before? Or will the debates be the first?
Anyhow, this is when the candidates will be defined by these Independent and Undecided voters. And this is when ROmney's sinister experience at Bain capital
and his refusal to release his tax returns will hit critical mass! Just watch and see.
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Sinister lol. Do you honestly believe that anyone is going to flee from Romney because he had a few minor dealings with his old company after he voluntarily retired? You need to get out more. This issue will sway exactly ZERO votes.
 
Fletch said:
Sinister lol. Do you honestly believe that anyone is going to flee from Romney because he had a few minor dealings with his old company after he voluntarily retired? You need to get out more. This issue will sway exactly ZERO votes.
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This issue will contribute to the growing mound of evidence that not only is Romney a flip flopper, but he is also a straight up LIAR. He could also be a criminal, since he signed federal documents that were false. He claimed he was no longer working for Bain - retired, yet the mounting evidence shows he was not.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
This issue will contribute to the growing mound of evidence that not only is Romney a flip flopper, but he is also a straight up LIAR. He could also be a criminal, since he signed federal documents that were false. He claimed he was no longer working for Bain - retired, yet the mounting evidence shows he was not.
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Yes, conservatives will be so outraged by this horrendous 'lie' that they will not vote for him. Meaning another 4 years of Obama. Right. Not sure who you think you are fooling with this stuff, but keep it up,it is entertaining.
 
Fletch said:
Sinister lol. Do you honestly believe that anyone is going to flee from Romney because he had a few minor dealings with his old company after he voluntarily retired? You need to get out more. This issue will sway exactly ZERO votes.
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Hard core leftists like ConsagainsRomney are pretending to be conservative because being a liberal in support of Obama is a brain dead given.
 
TurtleDude said:
Hard core leftists like ConsagainsRomney are pretending to be conservative because being a liberal in support of Obama is a brain dead given.
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You mean ConsagainstRomney isnt really a conservative but a leftist in disguise???? Who would have guessed:lol: But it is funny to see a person, shall we say, being less than honest about their true political leanings denouncing Romney as a liar.
 
Fletch said:
You mean ConsagainstRomney isnt really a conservative but a leftist in disguise???? Who would have guessed:lol: But it is funny to see a person, shall we say, being less than honest about their true political leanings denouncing Romney as a liar.
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He's a hard core welfare socialist
 
TurtleDude said:
He's a hard core welfare socialist
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If honesty were as important to him as he claims it is, you would think he would just come out and admit that. But there is just no way to take seriously a dishonest person who questions another mans honesty.
 
For those who so casually dismiss Romney's on-going association w/Bain after he reportedly left the company, I wonder how many of you actually reviewed the slide-show presentation at the bottom of the OP article or even tried to research or review any of the other articles referenced in the story? Something tells me there may be more to the Romney-post-Bain Captial association than meets the eye.

I characterized Romney's post-affiliation w/Bain as "loose" because it's not so much that he ran day-to-day operations of Bain Capital, Inc. directly or indirectly that's troubling. It's his dealings with the investment arms, i.e., Bain Capital Investments and other investment entities that came under the BCIP umbrella, that are questionable.
 
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