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Obama's Energy Plan VS Rmoney's Energy Plan

Bobcat said:
that Snopes piece is wrong.

ethanol has been a bust for Brazil, they can't feed their people because all the corn is going into making fuel.
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we could export a lot more coal to china
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I sat down and looked at the feasibility of ethanol as a replacement for gasoline and diesel several years ago. All information needed for this study is easily available by doing a quick google search and the entire thing took about 10 minutes.

I started by looking up the amount of fuel used the previous year in gallons. Next, I looked up the number of bushels of corn required to produce a gallon of ethanol. Then I looked up the average yield per acre for corn.(this one varies quite a bit due to climate but you can still come up with an average that is suitable for this exercise)

Using that basic information I was able to determine that if you just wanted to replace gallons of gasoline/diesel with the same number of gallons of ethanol you would have to have a cornfield that stretched from Minneapolis, MN south to Dallas, TX then west to San Diego, CA north to Seattle, WA and then east back to Minneapolis.

This study doesn't account for the fact that you need to burn about 20% more ethanol to get the same energy as gasoline/diesel and it also doesn't take into consideration the INCREDIBLE amount of fuel it would take to plant, maintain, harvest, process, and transport all of this corn in the first place.

Ethanol is a DEAD END. Why in the hell are we being teased with it in the first place?
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
We have a problem. China is beating us in the green energy industry. The Green Energy race will be to the 21st century what the Arms Race was in the 20th. We all saw how Ronald Reagan outflanked the Soviets by outspending them in the Arms Race, right? Well now we are seeing the Chinese (and Brazil even, and other nations) outflank US in the Green Energy Race.

Investing in Green Energy is VITAL for the US to stay afloat in this new 21st century Global economy. Obama realizes that. Romney doesnt.
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what a crock of ****. sorry pal, but a green energy race has nothing to do with national security. I hope china wins. then we could steal their technology for a change, AND the government can stop wasting my tax money. all green energy does right now is drive regular energy prices UP so that "green" energy can be competitive. Fake arse false capitalism.
 
WHY THE HELL WOULD WE WANT TO EXPORT OUR CHEAP AND ABUNDANT COAL TO CHINA!!!????!!! Leave china to spend 18-20$ per thousand cubic meters of natural gas, and we can keep our cheap coal. MUCH BETTER ON THE ELECTRIC BILLS!!!

Instead, these retarded tree huggers and democrats want us to pay high electric bills, while every other country starts getting our cheap coal. These green energy idiots need to go work on other countries that actually have REAL pollution problems, then they can come back to america and try to take our coal away.
 
ARealConservative said:
I'm really curious what issue you actually agree with conservative dogma regarding?

your lean, and your name say one thing, but the way you carry yourself in a debate says something else entirely.
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He is one of many fake cons in here. They are like the people that call cspan on the rep line and say, "I'm a republican but, and then spout every Dem talking point. They figure if they bash reps as a rep it gives them more credibility. They actually think they are fooling people with this act.
 
From the title, I thought there would be an actual comparrison in the policies, however, not so much.
 
Bronson said:
Obama's Energy Plan has been the biggest disaster in American History

Price of food and gas = skyrocketing

Destroying the coal industry

Wasted billions in failed stimulus dollars trying to create "Green Jobs" Billions handed out to Campaign Bundlers through schemes like Solyndra
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Really? Bigger than Watergate? Bigger that 9/11? Bigger than the Great Depression? Bigger than VIetnam? Bigger than the unfunded, unethical war for oil in Iraq? Bigger than the housing crisis? Bigger than Hurricane Katrina?
Oh the hyperbole!
 
Blue_State said:
I would, but I don't have the power to retitle your thread, "I am in the tank for Obama, so here is another Romney bashing thread by me."
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But you DO have the power to contribute to that which you are griping and moaning about. Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of moping around, griping and moaning that no one is adding to the discussion?
BE the change you want the would to become.

Bobcat said:
Solar is great for some applications. But please do not book me on the first night flight in a solar airplane.
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Solar energy is stored in cells. The sun does not have to be shining in order for things to work on solar energy. Also, solar cell satelittes are capable of receiving and transmitting solar energy 24/7
 
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CONSagainROMNEY said:
But you DO have the power to contribute to that which you are griping and moaning about. Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of moping around, griping and moaning that no one is adding to the discussion?
BE the change you want the would to become.
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In 26 days, you have started about 35 Threads attacking Romney. Talk about not adding something constructive.

I typically come here to read data. Your thread title was misinforming. My account does not require me to "add" to the discussion.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
We have a problem. China is beating us in the green energy industry. The Green Energy race will be to the 21st century what the Arms Race was in the 20th. We all saw how Ronald Reagan outflanked the Soviets by outspending them in the Arms Race, right? Well now we are seeing the Chinese (and Brazil even, and other nations) outflank US in the Green Energy Race.

Investing in Green Energy is VITAL for the US to stay afloat in this new 21st century Global economy. Obama realizes that. Romney doesnt.
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Until we have a viable source of "Green" energy, let's use the 3,000,000,000,000 barrels of oil (75% of which is on federal land and just the royalties of which would end our debt outright) to power our own economy, and use some of the excess money that come from no longer being $16,000,000,000,000.00 in debt (debt service of 323,050,646,977.43 would do a lot for R&D in green energy right ?)

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
 
Blue_State said:
In 26 days, you have started about 35 Threads attacking Romney. Talk about not adding something constructive.

I typically come here to read data. Your thread title was misinforming. My account does not require me to "add" to the discussion.
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It doesn't require you to gripe and moan about my threads either, does it?

Look, I'm not here to spend my time and energy critiquing the threads people post. I'm here for political discussion. If you have something to add to that discussion, then let's hear it!!!
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
It doesn't require you to gripe and moan about my threads either, does it?

Look, I'm not here to spend my time and energy critiquing the threads people post. I'm here for political discussion. If you have something to add to that discussion, then let's hear it!!!
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My comment was you have a misinforming title. I came here to actually find the differences in policies. They are not here. Did you put the bad thread title to increase views or something?
 
Schutzengel said:
Until we have a viable source of "Green" energy, let's use the 3,000,000,000,000 barrels of oil (75% of which is on federal land and just the royalties of which would end our debt outright) to power our own economy, and use some of the excess money that come from no longer being $16,000,000,000,000.00 in debt (debt service of 323,050,646,977.43 would do a lot for R&D in green energy right ?)

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
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We DO have a viable source of Green Energy though Schutzengel. Green Energy is really the key fast-growing Industry in the World right now. At this moment it has the ability to provide jobs and revenue that will leave the Bush/Cheney recession in the dust! The only thing preventing this is the Big Oil and Energy companies who have the Party of No Obstructionists in their back pocket.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
But you DO have the power to contribute to that which you are griping and moaning about. Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of moping around, griping and moaning that no one is adding to the discussion?
BE the change you want the would to become.


Solar energy is stored in cells. The sun does not have to be shining in order for things to work on solar energy. Also, solar cell satelittes are capable of receiving and transmitting solar energy 24/7
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Solar energy is stored in BATTERIES, not cells. Batteries are big, heavy, and full of toxic materials. I think solar is great and should be used as a backup to traditional energy sources. But lets not be so naive as to think that a solar panel on a sattelite will ever power something on earth.

There will never be a solar airplane, train, 18 wheeler, or car. There will never be a wind powered airplane, train, 18 wheeler, or car. Try to insert just a little reality into your rants.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
We DO have a viable source of Green Energy though Schutzengel. Green Energy is really the key fast-growing Industry in the World right now. At this moment it has the ability to provide jobs and revenue that will leave the Bush/Cheney recession in the dust! The only thing preventing this is the Big Oil and Energy companies who have the Party of No Obstructionists in their back pocket.
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We do??? please tell us when this available viable source of energy will be available at all of our local gas stations. Will it work in all the cars and trucks on the road today?
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
We DO have a viable source of Green Energy though Schutzengel. Green Energy is really the key fast-growing Industry in the World right now. At this moment it has the ability to provide jobs and revenue that will leave the Bush/Cheney recession in the dust! The only thing preventing this is the Big Oil and Energy companies who have the Party of No Obstructionists in their back pocket.
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You are a conservative like I am gay, LMAO
 
Bobcat said:
Solar energy is stored in BATTERIES, not cells. Batteries are big, heavy, and full of toxic materials. I think solar is great and should be used as a backup to traditional energy sources. But lets not be so naive as to think that a solar panel on a sattelite will ever power something on earth.

There will never be a solar airplane, train, 18 wheeler, or car. There will never be a wind powered airplane, train, 18 wheeler, or car. Try to insert just a little reality into your rants.
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Actually, there have been a number of solar-powered cars. But these are not production machines. I think it's fair to say that we won't see 18-wheelers with a windmill sticking out the top or powered strictly by the solar cells covering it's trailer. That's pretty much a no-brainer. On the other hand it's perfectly reasonable to expect electric-only trucks with batteries charged up with windmills and/or solar power. We may see this within 10 years. It's entirely plausible.

Solar airplane: SOLAR IMPULSE - AROUND THE WORLD IN A SOLAR AIRPLANE
Solar car: Solar vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
BATTERIES?!?

**le sigh**

Good Lord. Okay, for those of you who obviously have NO IDEA whatsoever in regards to how solar energy works, here, please educate yourselves so we can have an intelligent discussion:

SPECMAT

How A Photovoltic Cell Work

Solar Cells: How They Work

And for those of you who dont have the capacity to actually read, here is the corporate consumer "dumbed-down" basics on VIDEO:

Solar 101- How Solar Panels Work - YouTube

Solar Energy Panels - How They Work - YouTube
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Photovoltaic cells turn narrow bands of the Electromagnetic spectrum into electrical energy at about 25% efficiency and the electricity produced must be stored instantly or used immediately. Currently, batteries are the best storage medium for the electricity produced. The solar cells store nothing. Nothing.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
Today RINO is giving a "major policy speech" in regards to his Energy policy.

Romney energy plan aims to expand drilling on federal land | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Basiclly it is the same "Drill baby drill" plan that McCain unsucessfully peddled in 2008. It is more kowtowing to the Big Oil cronies who are funding his campaign.
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Energy is a big issue to me. You can't seperate it from the economy. What I am hearing/seeing is that Romney wants to 'stay the course' will the failed Energy policy of the last 40 years. Obama is looking toward the future, a Green Energy future.
 
A stimulas package like the American Jobs Act is only justifiable if it is going to absolutely save the economy OR if it is going to greatly raise the american standard of living to such a degree that there will be a large boom in revenue. I like to site the example of Eisenhowers programs to build the American highway system as a clear illustration of this point.

After Obama wins the November election he will have enough political capital to put forth another version of the American Jobs Act. But this next version will have to be even bolder. It would have to have SIGNIFICANT measures which involve the creation of a Green Energy Infrastructure throughout the entire country.

Building A Green Energy Infrastructure is the key to this nation's future.
Right off the bat, building a Green Infrastructure would literally create millions of NEW jobs. The revenue from that alone would be able to equalize budget deficits and begin to pay off the national debt. But the beneifts of a Green Infrastructure go way beyond just job creation.

A Green Infrastructure also creates a cleaner standard of living. It means that we have less people dying from the toxins of dirty energy pollution, which in turns saves the American people untold billions in medical costs. It improves the quality of life.

A Green Infrastructure would also cure our great nation of our delirious addiction to foreign oil. The end of this addiction would mean we would no long waste TRILLIONS of dollars for unethical wars for oil in the middle east. We also immediately no longer even have the headache of trying to keep the peace in the middle east soley for geo-political neccessity. Of course we will encourage peace in the middle east, but quite honestly if those dipshlts want to blow the tarnations out of each other, then it will be no skin off our peckers now, will it?

A Green Infrastructure also means no more multi-billion dollar oil spill clean-ups that reek untold havoc on the tourism of the gulf - or wherever such a disaster would occur.

The upside on this is so great, that to not invest it in - and to continue on the failed "addiction to foreign oil" energy policy that our nation has been on for the last 40 years is akin to 21st century suicide!!!
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