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Paul Ryan Slams Obama For Not Saving Auto Plant That Closed Under Bush[W:56]

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Deuce said:
I'm not an expert on SEC rules. Would lying to them about being a CEO be a felony?
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If that was the case, the proper authorities would know about it and it would be working it's way through the system. But you are well aware of that, and are also aware that the comments were meant to plant a seed of negativity in the electorate, just like every lie about a politician is. Nothing more.
 
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Deuce said:
Has it occurred to you that if Obama never actually called Romney a felon, it might be possible that some of the other things you base this "big picture" on are also false?
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No it hasn't occurred to me that Obama never actually called Romney a felon, but a close aid did, of which is part of his campaign. Further Obama never denounce it. Just like Obama charged Romney of giving a person cancer after he was gone from Bain for over 6 yrs.
 
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Deuce said:
I'm not an expert on SEC rules. Would lying to them about being a CEO be a felony?
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If that was the case would you not think the authorities would prosecute Romney for committing a felony?
 
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Born Free said:
If that was the case would you not think the authorities would prosecute Romney for committing a felony?
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It's the same thing as the 'taxers' silliness, if the Romney did anything 'wrong' over the past 10 years on his taxes, the IRS would have been all over it. So it's more nonsense from people grasping at anything.
 
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Born Free said:
If that was the case would you not think the authorities would prosecute Romney for committing a felony?
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Under the SEC filings that he signed in 2000, Romney was listed as the Chairman, CEO, and sole shareholder. If Romney was telling the literal truth, when he said that he was not involved in Bain Capital after 1999, then he committed a felony when he signed the SEC filings.

But no serious person actually believes that Romney committed a felony. Romney was in charge of the company, but turned the day to day decision making over to others so that he could focus on the Olympics. This is only an issue because Romney tried to take credit for jobs created after 1999 while simultaneously absolving himself of blame for companies that went bankrupt. You can't have it both ways.

Both sides are being ridiculous on this issue, but that's what happens in an election. If one side goes nutty on an issue, the other side has to follow suit. Otherwise a few percentage of the population will believe the lies and that's all it takes to lose an election. So I'd say the real blame here goes to the legitimate news organizations that allow campaigns to get away with this nonsense and an American electorate that is quite frankly too uneducated to care.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Thread is about Ryan and comments about plant closings and things related to that. Let's save the Romney discussion for one of the many threads on that topic.
 
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Arbo said:
It has nothing to do with 'debate', it has to to do with intellectual integrity and seeing the big picture. That you and so many others wish to be spoon feed things that, if you were actually paying attention, you would already be familiar with, is nobody's problem but your own.
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Intellectual integrity in a debate entails not making up bull****, refuse to back it up and then expect everyone else to prove the negative... which anyone with intellectual integrity knows is an intellectual fallacy.
 
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Crosscheck said:
It isn't worth the effort. Am moving on and just ignoring posters who make up false statements and then go on ad nauseam in skirting the issue.
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yeah, very true. time to move on.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
As pointed out, the decision for the closing came before Obama was elected, Obama was in no way responsible for the closing.

You already accepted the answer for that, and you ask it again....why?
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Is there nothing that this president has done? Was everything done during the failed administration of the Big 0 the direct result of things put in motion by W?
 
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Objective Voice said:
Doesn't the criticism Paul Ryan is now trying to levy against the President for the closure of this auto factory speak contrary to "big government intervention in the free market system" argument Conservative Republicans have constantly been warning against?

Hmmm...

Suddenly the President's belief in "government does have a role to play" starts to make sense...as long as it works to the critic's advantage. :roll:
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If the turkey's already been killed, stuffed and cooked, you might as well try to get a serving. Keeping it from getting beheaded in the first place is no longer an option.
 
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code1211 said:
If the turkey's already been killed, stuffed and cooked, you might as well try to get a serving. Keeping it from getting beheaded in the first place is no longer an option.
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And yet Paul Ryan attempted to lay blame squarely at the President's feet anyway. :roll:
 
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Helix said:
Ryan should have just told the workers not to worry, because wealth will be trickling down directly.
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Gold crumbs are made of gold... mostly.
 
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Objective Voice said:
And yet Paul Ryan attempted to lay blame squarely at the President's feet anyway. :roll:
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Did the plant close?

Were some plants saved?

How were the decisions made?
 
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code1211 said:
Did the plant close?
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Yes, under GW Bush, not Obama.

Were some plants saved?
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Here's a list of GM plants that closed effective December 2010. After a quick search for GM plants reopened since then, I found one proposed for reopening (Janseville, FL) and one that did reopen in 2011 (Saturn plant in Spring Hill, TN; though it's doubtful they will make Saturn or GM cars there. :( )

How were the decisions made?
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Not sure; wasn't sitting in on those board room meetings.

So, what was your point w/the above inquiries?
 
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Objective Voice said:
Yes, under GW Bush, not Obama.


Here's a list of GM plants that closed effective December 2010. After a quick search for GM plants reopened since then, I found one proposed for reopening (Janseville, FL) and one that did reopen in 2011 (Saturn plant in Spring Hill, TN; though it's doubtful they will make Saturn or GM cars there. :( )


Not sure; wasn't sitting in on those board room meetings.

So, what was your point w/the above inquiries?
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Just wondering.

Was W President in 2009?
 
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code1211 said:
Just wondering.

Was W President in 2009?
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Irrelevent question considering the thread isn't about when the automotive plant closed but rather could it have been saved or reopened based on then Sen. Obama's suggestion that providing federal funding could have done so. Clearly, the plant in the OP wasn't saved but to suggest that it was within Pres. Obama's responsibility to reopen it or that it was within his sole power to save it is ridiculous.

Just as Congressman Paul Ryan secured stimulus dollars for his constituents (when it was convenient for him to do so mind you), he could have done the same to save this plant. That's what Congressmen and Senators are for.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Irrelevent question considering the thread isn't about when the automotive plant closed but rather could it have been saved or reopened based on then Sen. Obama's suggestion that providing federal funding could have done so. Clearly, the plant in the OP wasn't saved but to suggest that it was within Pres. Obama's responsibility to reopen it or that it was within his sole power to save it is ridiculous.

Just as Congressman Paul Ryan secured stimulus dollars for his constituents (when it was convenient for him to do so mind you), he could have done the same to save this plant. That's what Congressmen and Senators are for.
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It's only relevent because you just said that it closed under Bush. It closed in 2009.
 
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code1211 said:
It's only relevent because you just said that it closed under Bush. It closed in 2009.
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The decision to close was made in 2008 or even earlier, since Candidate Obama was talking about it in his Jan 2008 visit, Production ceased in 2008, the workers still in the plant in 2009 were there to remove usable equipment and move it to other GM facilities.
 
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code1211 said:
It's only relevent because you just said that it closed under Bush. It closed in 2009.
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I said nothing of the sort. The OP affirmed the plant's closing.

Paul Ryan slammed President Obama on Thursday for failing to rescue an auto factory in his Wisconsin district — one that closed in 2008, under President George W. Bush.
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Reading comprehension...:roll:
 
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Janesville GM Assembly Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end.
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Work continued at the Janesville Assembly through June, 2009, completing the Janesville/Isuzu light truck contract.
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it's difficult to argue that this was the fault of a President who had not yet taken office when the decision was made to close the plant.
 
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Obama all in all saved the American Car Industry, and certainly saved Detroit's economy from getting any worse then it already is. I'm not saying the guy is a saint, but you have to give him credit where it is warranted.
 
Crosscheck said:
The guy is turning out to be one of the biggest liars out there. Good pick Mitt.





Paul Ryan Slams Obama For Not Saving Auto Plant — In 2008 | TPM2012
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This guy clearly lies. He is a demagogue of the worst stripe. He fits right in with the last GOP VP nominee and their speech.

I am still searching for the "inner cities" that he claimed to represent when he accepted the Romney selection in from of that ship a few weeks ago.

It seems the way you tell this guy is lying is if his lips are moving.
 
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Helix said:
Janesville GM Assembly Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it's difficult to argue that this was the fault of a President who had not yet taken office when the decision was made to close the plant.
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He did not blame Obama for the plant closing. What he did was point out that Obama came to the plant, told the workers (and all who caught the speech in other ways) that it was the job of government to keep plants like that from closing. Then he became President, and the plant closed regardless. And as we see with the blogs, the actual closing date has been mis-stated by the liberals.

Ryan also noted that the auto-bail-out did not reach to the two plants in his district. He also noted that higher gas prices, having risen under Obama, made those plants production SUV's less competititve. That is also true.

Folks can infer whatever they want. But Ryan told the truth. Obama also did throw tens of billions at GM. Just did not help that part of WI very much
 
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