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Paul Ryan Sponsored Fetal Personhood Bill, Opposes Family Planning Funds

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I don't know if Ryan is considered a social conservation, but it seems his views on abortion is way out of the mainstream...


Paul Ryan Sponsored Fetal Personhood Bill, Opposes Family Planning Funds

Despite Mitt Romney's efforts to court women voters ahead of November, he chose a running mate who is far outside the mainstream on women's health issues. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) cosponsored a bill that would give fetuses full personhood rights from the moment of fertilization, which was even rejected by voters in the socially conservative state of Mississippi. He voted to defund federal family planning programs, authored a budget that dismantles Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, all of which disproportionately aid and employ women, and voted multiple times to prevent women in the military from using their own money to pay for abortions at military hospitals.

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Sooooo, what's the problem?
 
MarineTpartier said:
Sooooo, what's the problem?
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I think its an extreme position to take since if such a law was passed it outlaw all abortions. You may think that's a good thing, but I don't think a majority of Americans would agree with you.
 
MarineTpartier said:
You don't think they would, but, they do.
Why a 'record low' number of Americans are 'pro-choice': 5 theories - The Week
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From your link:

When you look past the headline numbers, our views on the legality of abortion are pretty much unchanged: 25 percent say it should always be legal, 20 percent say it should never be legal, and 52 percent say it should be legal sometimes. Those "fundamental views matter more than vague buzzwords."
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Doesnt support the point youre trying to make. :)
 
MarineTpartier said:
You don't think they would, but, they do.
Why a 'record low' number of Americans are 'pro-choice': 5 theories - The Week
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Those polls are inaccurate because they phrased the question wrong. They should of asked if you favor back alley, knitting needle abortions or safe hospital abortions? That is the real question. If a woman is in need of an abortion she will find some way to get it. Even if it is dangerous to her life. Is that really going to make you happy? God happy?
 
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iguanaman said:
Those polls are inaccurate because they phrased the question wrong. They should of asked if you favor back alley, knitting needle abortions or safe hospital abortions? That is the real question. If a woman is in need of an abortion she will find some way to get it. Even if it is dangerous to her life. Is that really going to make you happy? God happy?
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Yeah... Gallup doesn't know crap about how to write a poll question. Yours isn't leading at all...
 
cAPSLOCK said:
Yeah... Gallup doesn't know crap about how to write a poll question. Yours isn't leading at all...
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I know dude. Gallup is brand new to polling. Apparently they should hire some people from this website to revamp their operation.:2razz:
 
iguanaman said:
Those polls are inaccurate because they phrased the question wrong. They should of asked if you favor back alley, knitting needle abortions or safe hospital abortions? That is the real question. If a woman is in need of an abortion she will find some way to get it. Even if it is dangerous to her life. Is that really going to make you happy? God happy?
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I doubt its inaccurate. If you read, the poll doesnt say what Marine seems to think it says.

It says only 41% of Americans identify as pro-choice; it also says 72% of Americans think abortion should be legal at least some of the time. Only 20% think it should be illegal in all cases. :) I dont find those statistics hard to believe; there is a difference between self-identification by terms and actual beliefs. Its like people identifying as small-government conservatives and wanting to ban SSM and abortion - self-identification and actual beliefs have little to do with eachother.

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theseki said:
I doubt its inaccurate. If you read, the poll doesnt say what Marine seems to think it says.

It says only 41% of Americans identify as pro-choice; it also says 72% of Americans think abortion should be legal at least some of the time. Only 20% think it should be illegal in all cases. :) I dont find those statistics hard to believe; there is a difference between self-identification by terms and actual beliefs. Its like people identifying as small-government conservatives and wanting to ban SSM and abortion - self-identification and actual beliefs have little to do with eachother.

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What this poll says is that most Americans believe we shouldn't be able to kill a baby for whatever reason we want.
 
Personhood amendment means 17 year old get to vote and 20 year olds get to buy alcohol, right?
 
Good... I don't see the problem with this... I'm glad he did...

I'm not even a social conservative, and think most of that religious crap belongs nowhere near politics...

But how can you support killing a living creature... and promote sexual irresponsibility...

Also, I don't see this bill passing without some form of exception for cases of harm to the mother, rape, incest, etc. (which would fall under any self-defense clause)...

Eliminating the killing of innocent children (or at least you have to admit its a living creature, because killing innocent animals would be animal cruelty as well) because "i dont want to", or "it would be hard to raise them", or "what would my parents think", "I don't know who the father is", etc. should no longer be permissible... and it if isn't, people will become a lot more responsible about knowing who the father is, being more careful if they can't afford it, and all the other things that have been soncerns for centuries prior to abortion, which kept societies responsibly in check... on both the men and women who were involved...
 
Not only do "personhood bills" ban virtually all abortions with no exceptions, but they would also criminalize several common forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization. These kind of laws are the extremist fringe of pro-life politics. Even in uber-conservative Mississippi, voters rejected a personhood amendment by double-digit margins. In more moderate Colorado, voters twice rejected it by 40+ points.
 
pbrauer said:
I don't know if Ryan is considered a social conservation, but it seems his views on abortion is way out of the mainstream...


Paul Ryan Sponsored Fetal Personhood Bill, Opposes Family Planning Funds

Despite Mitt Romney's efforts to court women voters ahead of November, he chose a running mate who is far outside the mainstream on women's health issues. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) cosponsored a bill that would give fetuses full personhood rights from the moment of fertilization, which was even rejected by voters in the socially conservative state of Mississippi. He voted to defund federal family planning programs, authored a budget that dismantles Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, all of which disproportionately aid and employ women, and voted multiple times to prevent women in the military from using their own money to pay for abortions at military hospitals.

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How is this view outside the Mainstream? 60% of America think Abortion is wrong and that ROe V Wade is outdated. The free loving 60s are over and the younger generation is more responsible when it comes to sex than their parents were. Abortion is the killing of a human life. Teens should be taught this so that if they are even in a position where they are to have a baby, then they will realize that Aborting that baby is akin to killing a human life and that it will be somethin that they will regret forever!
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
How is this view outside the Mainstream? 60% of America think Abortion is wrong and that ROe V Wade is outdated. The free loving 60s are over and the younger generation is more responsible when it comes to sex than their parents were. Abortion is the killing of a human life. Teens should be taught this so that if they are even in a position where they are to have a baby, then they will realize that Aborting that baby is akin to killing a human life and that it will be somethin that they will regret forever!
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Ain't that the truth?
 
theseki said:
Yes; most people agree with that. Most people also agree that abortion should be legal at least some of the time.
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Any logical person is going to say that if the mother is definitely going to die, or the baby is going to be so deformed that it couldn't live, that an abortion is okay. I find no fault with that either. Though I didn't see where the poll said so, I believe those are the circumstances most would be speaking when they say it's okay sometimes. My point is that the majority of people don't believe a woman should be able to kill a baby because they don't like the sex, don't feel like they can handle it, etc.
 
theseki said:
Yes; most people agree with that. Most people also agree that abortion should be legal at least some of the time.
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I think most of us who are against abortion except in cases of rape, life threatening situations for the mother, or relatively definitive non-viability of the fetus would identify as Pro-Life. Even strongly so.
 
cAPSLOCK said:
I think most of us who are against abortion except in cases of rape, life threatening situations for the mother, or relatively definitive non-viability of the fetus would identify as Pro-Life. Even strongly so.
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That's not Pro-Life. If you're for aborting fetuses in certain cases, you're for abortion, not against it.
 
Das Sozialist said:
That's not Pro-Life. If you're for aborting fetuses in certain cases, you're for abortion, not against it.
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I find your semantic attempt to lump me in with Pro-Choice folks because I can make a exception in the vast minority of cases to be dishonest.
 
cAPSLOCK said:
I find your semantic attempt to lump me in with Pro-Choice folks because I can make a exception in the vast minority of cases to be dishonest.
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I'm not putting you in either group, I'm just telling you your stance is not technically a Pro-Life one.
 
Deuce said:
Personhood amendment means 17 year old get to vote and 20 year olds get to buy alcohol, right?
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no. 83rd trimester fetuses are not people, and therefore have no business purchasing alcohol.
 
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