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Colin Powell and other people who have Endorsed Barack Obama [W:77]

I don't object. It sure is a crap-shoot though.

To be fair about it, at my age, it won't matter too much to me. However, I'll bet you'll find little change and you'll see the same Geithners and Bersnakeys handling the money.

Hell, I would have voted for RP just to see what a complete change of course would do.

Should Romney win (doesn't really seem possible), I can only hope he'll be a real President and not spend his efforts undoing the few good things Obusha has done.

Your SCOTUS concerns are not valid. Who do you expect to see retire? Since SCOTUS has become a partisan tool instead of a real court, the current balance is as safe as possible. It was 5/4 GOP when Obusha came into office and it is still 5/4.



Bobcat said:
well, we know what 4 more years of obama will give us: more debt, bigger deficits, full blown obamacare, 2 or 3 more liberals on SCOTUS, more socialism, more govt intervention into our lives, weaker currency, weaker military.

seems like we should book the obama failures into the past and give the next guy a try.
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Bobcat said:
Geez, man, pay attention. Voting for someone because you share his race does not make you a racist. the 2008 election was not about racism.

I guess the thought process is just too much for you. lets move on.
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You said it was the case for Powell, you show nothing to prove this. You infer it for the larger black population, you get callled on it, now you back away.....but that still leaves the accusation that Powell is guilty of racism because of his endorsement.

You were tired, you rested, you came back....but you now want to walk away again and not support your accusations. That's fine....so go ahead, leave this discussion.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Show your math, tiger.
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52/48. blacks make up about 16% of US voters in 2008. 98% of 16% is 15.6%. So 15,6% of 52% was the black vote for obama. got it so far?

now if 90% of 16% voted for obama, then 14.4% of 52% would have been the black vote for obama. 15.5% - 14.4% = 1.1% so the 52/48 would have been 50.9/49.1 a virtual tie on the popular vote. that could have changed the electoral college enough for McCain to win or put the election to the house.

Now if we say only 85% of voting blacks chose obama, then McCain wins easily.

Its all conjecture of course.

what % of black voters do you expect to vote for obama this time?

I think he lost the evangelical blacks with his gay marriage stand, what to you think?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You said it was the case for Powell, you show nothing to prove this. You infer it for the larger black population, you get callled on it, now you back away.....but that still leaves the accusation that Powell is guilty of racism because of his endorsement.

You were tired, you rested, you came back....but you now want to walk away again and not support your accusations. That's fine....so go ahead, leave this discussion.
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I said that Powell's endorsement of a democrat appears to have been based on race. Thats my opinion, this is an opinion forum. I can't get in the man's head to know for sure and neither can you.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You said it was the case for Powell, you show nothing to prove this. You infer it for the larger black population, you get callled on it, now you back away.....but that still leaves the accusation that Powell is guilty of racism because of his endorsement.

You were tired, you rested, you came back....but you now want to walk away again and not support your accusations. That's fine....so go ahead, leave this discussion.
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Has Powell, prior to his Obama endorsement, ever endorsed a liberal/progressive Democrat for anything? If so, then it is clear that race played no part in the endorsement. If not, well...
 
specklebang said:
I don't object. It sure is a crap-shoot though.

To be fair about it, at my age, it won't matter too much to me. However, I'll bet you'll find little change and you'll see the same Geithners and Bersnakeys handling the money.

Hell, I would have voted for RP just to see what a complete change of course would do.

Should Romney win (doesn't really seem possible), I can only hope he'll be a real President and not spend his efforts undoing the few good things Obusha has done.

Your SCOTUS concerns are not valid. Who do you expect to see retire? Since SCOTUS has become a partisan tool instead of a real court, the current balance is as safe as possible. It was 5/4 GOP when Obusha came into office and it is still 5/4.
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Ginsberg, Kennedy, and possibly Breyer could retire in the next 4 years. Kennedy has been the tie breaker many times. if he is replaced with a liberal the balance shifts.

I think Romney has a good chance to unseat obama. the obama mistique is gone.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Has Powell, prior to his Obama endorsement, ever endorsed a liberal/progressive Democrat for anything? If so, then it is clear that race played no part in the endorsement. If not, well...
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Um, the "proof" that Powell is a racist would be statements or/and actions showing his hatred for a particular race. The burden of proof is upon tiger, or anyone else, making that argument.
 
gimmesometruth said:
um, the "proof" that powell is a racist would be statements or/and actions showing his hatred for a particular race. The burden of proof is upon tiger, or anyone else, making that argument.
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no one is claiming that powell is a racist, we are saying that his support of obama was based on race--that does not make him a racist.
 
Bobcat said:
I said that Powell's endorsement of a democrat appears to have been based on race. Thats my opinion, this is an opinion forum. I can't get in the man's head to know for sure and neither can you.
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The burden of proof is upon you, if you cannot show direct evidence then your opinion is without standing.....it is a worthless smear.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The burden of proof is upon you, if you cannot show direct evidence then your opinion is without standing.....it is a worthless smear.
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I have to prove my opinion??????? are you out of your mind? I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else, what is said is my opinion based on looking at the people and circumstances involved.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the "proof" that Powell is a racist would be statements or/and actions showing his hatred for a particular race. The burden of proof is upon tiger, or anyone else, making that argument.
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I didn't read where anyone accused Powell of being a racist. It was posted that Powell's endorsement of Obama was based on race. Based on the fact that I cannot find one instance where the General has endorsed a politician with an ideology similar to the President's, what other reasonable conclusion is there?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I didn't read where anyone accused Powell of being a racist. It was posted that Powell's endorsement of Obama was based on race. Based on the fact that I cannot find one instance where the General has endorsed a politician with an ideology similar to the President's, what other reasonable conclusion is there?
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liberal heads are exploding --------- I can hear them ----------- boom, boom, crack, crack
 
Bobcat said:
I said that Powell's endorsement of a democrat appears to have been based on race. Thats my opinion, this is an opinion forum. I can't get in the man's head to know for sure and neither can you.
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No, that is not what you said. You are lying son. Here is what you said:

Bobcat said:
Powell supported Obama out of racial pride, to say otherwise is to deny reality.

Black pride and white guilt put the worst president in history in the whitehouse.
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Then after I pointed out that you a racist you said this:

Bobcat said:
No, I am not. But its quite clear that Obama and Powell are.
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So please stop your lying. You DID call Powell a racist. Being a liar is no better than being a racist. Sad and pathetic and a DISGRACE to true conservatives everywhere. It is racist that give Conservatives a bad name.
 
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Diogenes said:
I'm not sure that the "transformational figure" transformed in the right direction. I haven't seen Powell endorse him this time, but I wouldn't put any faith in his endorsement anyway.
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Powell was a great General but he is a RINO when it comes to politics...........
 
Navy Pride said:
Powell was a great General but he is a RINO when it comes to politics...........
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I've met General Powell in person through my work with charitble organizations. He is a man of integrity. The kind of AMerican that true COnservatives can be proud of. Romney is the RINO, a spineless flipp flopper with no backbone, no character and no integrity. He is a poltician who will say anything to get elected then turn around and do the exact opposite.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
No, that is not what you said. You are lying son. Here is what you said:



Then after I pointed out that you a racist you said this:



So please stop your lying. You DID call Powell a racist. Being a liar is no better than being a racist. Sad and pathetic and a DISGRACE to true conservatives everywhere. It is racist that give Conservatives a bad name.
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I said that Powell's endorsement of Obama was based on race. I did not mean to imply that he was or is a racist. If I said that, it was not my intent.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
I've met General Powell in person through my work with charitble organizations. He is a man of integrity. The kind of AMerican that true COnservatives can be proud of. Romney is the RINO, a spineless flipp flopper with no backbone, no character and no integrity. He is a poltician who will say anything to get elected then turn around and do the exact opposite.
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We get it, you are a "conservative" Obamabot. I didn't know there was any such thing, you are probably one of a kind.

I could understand if you were supporting Paul or Johnson but you are supporting obama, you are not what you claim to be.

but thats OK, there is no rule against lying in an internet forum.
 
Bobcat said:
I said that Powell's endorsement of Obama was based on race. I did not mean to imply that he was or is a racist. If I said that, it was not my intent.
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Was that for the first time you said he was a racist, or the second time?

It wasn't your intent when you said it intentionally twice.

How hot is it down there, cause you are way past the crust....
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Was that for the first time you said he was a racist, or the second time?

It wasn't your intent when you said it intentionally twice.

How hot is it down there, cause you are way past the crust....
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Your racism comments are misdirected.

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Gimmesometruth said:
Look up....^
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I said I didn't read where anyone called the General a racist and I didn't. I started reading this thread on about page 6. As far as the question goes, you and others are avoiding the heart of the matter which is, of course, "Was General Powell's endorsement of President Obama based on race?" In light of the fact that the General has never endorsed anyone with a similar ideology as the President's, I would have to say that it most certainly was.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I said I didn't read where anyone called the General a racist and I didn't. I started reading this thread on about page 6.
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And yet, on the first pages, he did call both the President and Powell racists.

I hope that clears it up for you.....unless you want to defend his "intention" comments.
 
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