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FLOTUS: Obamacare keeps women from dying of cancer, but GOP would repeal it [W:80]

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It;s going to be pretty hard for democrats and liberals to blame this one on a PAC.

This is more slime-ball Chicago politics, better known as "hope & change."


FLOTUS: Obamacare keeps women from dying of cancer, but GOP would repeal it
August 13, 2012 | 11:02 pm


Who knew that cancer would emerge as a leitmotif of the Obama campaign? First Lady Michelle Obama is the latest to invoke cancer on the campaign trail, but she did so to tout Obamacare rather than attack Mitt Romney directly.

“But this election is also a choice about the health of our families,” Mrs. Obama said at a fundraiser this evening. “We all know these stories — the grandparents who couldn’t afford their medications; the families going broke because a child got sick; the woman dying of cancer whose insurance company wouldn’t cover her care. And let me tell you something, that’s what kept Barack going day after day.”

Moments later, she asked (without naming Romney), “Do we want these reforms to be repealed? Because there are those who do. Or do we want the people we love to have the care they need? That’s the choice we face.”
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FLOTUS: Obamacare keeps women from dying of cancer, but GOP would repeal it | WashingtonExaminer.com
 
Is she lying about something?
 
kamikaze483 said:
Because the GOP does not support Obamacare, therefore they support women dying of cancer. Don't you just love the left?
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Even a Conservative like myself sees that ObamaCare has saved lives. This country needed someone to step forward and put a stop to this idea that insurance companies could deny coverage to folks with pre-existing conditions. I am against Obama's social experiment and I will not vote for him, but I must applaud his courage for standing up for those who the insurance companies would not insure and saving the lives of so many folks.
 
kamikaze483 said:
Because the GOP does not support Obamacare, therefore they support women dying of cancer. Don't you just love the left?
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Where is it claimed that the GOP is supportive of women dying of cancer? Do you people just enjoy lying for the sake of lying?
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
Even a Conservative like myself sees that ObamaCare has saved lives. This country needed someone to step forward and put a stop to this idea that insurance companies could deny coverage to folks with pre-existing conditions. I am against Obama's social experiment and I will not vote for him, but I must applaud his courage for standing up for those who the insurance companies would not insure and saving the lives of so many folks.
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Judging from your posts you aren't conservative. You're more Peggy Noonan or David Frum, who are moderates that the left likes to tout as conservative, your posts seem cut from the same cloth.
 
nonpareil said:
Where is it claimed that the GOP is supportive of women dying of cancer? Do you people just enjoy lying for the sake of lying?
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Actually what it says is that Obamacare will prevent them from dying of cancer and the GOP wants to repeal that, implying they are on the hook for the deaths. But you know this, willful ignorance doesnt suit you.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Actually what it says is that Obamacare will prevent them from dying of cancer and the GOP wants to repeal that, implying they are on the hook for the deaths. But you know this, willful ignorance doesnt suit you.
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Where does the FLOTUS say that Obamacare will prevent them from dying of cancer?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Actually what it says is that Obamacare will prevent them from dying of cancer and the GOP wants to repeal that, implying they are on the hook for the deaths. But you know this, willful ignorance doesnt suit you.
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Yep, that's pretty much what it's saying, and of course it is TRUE.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
Even a Conservative like myself sees that ObamaCare has saved lives. This country needed someone to step forward and put a stop to this idea that insurance companies could deny coverage to folks with pre-existing conditions. I am against Obama's social experiment and I will not vote for him, but I must applaud his courage for standing up for those who the insurance companies would not insure and saving the lives of so many folks.
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WFT is going here. Hey play on your side of the fence please. We don't want to conservatives thinking about solutions that both sides can live with.
 
NateNY3 said:
Where does the FLOTUS say that Obamacare will prevent them from dying of cancer?
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Implied. I hate it when people play stupid for political advantage. Veiled implications are still implications.

“But this election is also a choice about the health of our families,” Mrs. Obama said at a fundraiser this evening. “We all know these stories — the grandparents who couldn’t afford their medications; the families going broke because a child got sick; the woman dying of cancer whose insurance company wouldn’t cover her care. And let me tell you something, that’s what kept Barack going day after day.”

Moments later, she asked (without naming Romney), “Do we want these reforms to be repealed? Because there are those who do. Or do we want the people we love to have the care they need? That’s the choice we face.”
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OpportunityCost said:
Implied. I hate it when people play stupid for political advantage. Veiled implications are still implications.
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I hate it more when partisan hacks think they know what someone meant and use it against them as fact...I'm guessing the title lead you down the wrong path...shouldn't this thread be in the "Bias in the Media" category?...

I took that she meant the woman wouldn't be treated because she had a preexisting condition...
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Judging from your posts you aren't conservative. You're more Peggy Noonan or David Frum, who are moderates that the left likes to tout as conservative, your posts seem cut from the same cloth.
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He's another liberal pretending to be a conservative... It's a means of displaying their dishonesty that becoming popular with the left.
 
NateNY3 said:
I hate it more when partisan hacks think they know what someone meant and use it against them as fact...I'm guessing the title lead you down the wrong path...shouldn't this thread be in the "Bias in the Media" category?...

I took that she meant the woman wouldn't be treated because she had a preexisting condition...
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Something which you dont know anymore than I do. Except, I have the history of this administration blaming republicans for everything so I have a little better foundation for what may be implied. If you cant acknowledge the history of this administration and its demonization of its political opponents, thats your problem, not mine.
 
Grim17 said:
He's another liberal pretending to be a conservative... It's a means of displaying their dishonesty that becoming popular with the left.
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Come on...at least he was honest about the 'Con' part...
 
OpportunityCost said:
Something which you dont know anymore than I do. Except, I have the history of this administration blaming republicans for everything so I have a little better foundation for what may be implied. If you cant acknowledge the history of this administration and its demonization of its political opponents, thats your problem, not mine.
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In other words, you're right because you say so...pretty weak...

What exactly is she "blaming" the republicans for? Wanting to repeal ACA which would get rid of the requirement of insurance companies to insure people with pre-existing conditions? Isn't that true?
 
nonpareil said:
Where does she say it can't happen under Obamacare?
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"Do we want these reforms to be repealed? Because there are those who do. Or do we want the people we love to have the care they need? That’s the choice we face.”

She cited the examples than said this. This is implies that those problems will go away if Obamacare is aloud to remain.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Actually what it says is that Obamacare will prevent them from dying of cancer and the GOP wants to repeal that, implying they are on the hook for the deaths. But you know this, willful ignorance doesnt suit you.
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Actually what is quoted of what she said is: “But this election is also a choice about the health of our families,” Mrs. Obama said at a fundraiser this evening. “We all know these stories — the grandparents who couldn’t afford their medications; the families going broke because a child got sick; the woman dying of cancer whose insurance company wouldn’t cover her care. And let me tell you something, that’s what kept Barack going day after day.” and “Do we want these reforms to be repealed? Because there are those who do. Or do we want the people we love to have the care they need? That’s the choice we face.”


But lying seems to be all you people are capable of now.
 
Fishstyx said:
"Do we want these reforms to be repealed? Because there are those who do. Or do we want the people we love to have the care they need? That’s the choice we face.”

She cited the examples than said this. This is implies that those problems will go away if Obamacare is aloud to remain.
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It implies -- correctly -- that those problems will be worse if Obamacare is repealed and better if it is not.

I can understand why some people may not like Obamacare, but let's not stupidly pretend that repealing it won't cost thousands of people their health and/or lives.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Implied. I hate it when people play stupid for political advantage. Veiled implications are still implications.
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"Implications" made up by people who want to put the worst interpretation possible on it for political advantage are usually the equivalent of lies. You are the one playing stupid for the sake of attacking her and her husband.
 
AdamT said:
It implies -- correctly -- that those problems will be worse if Obamacare is repealed and better if it is not.

I can understand why some people may not like Obamacare, but let's not stupidly pretend that repealing it won't cost thousands of people their health and/or lives.
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Thats dutch door action though. Not repealing it will cost thousands of people their health and/or lives. Why? Simply the currently "amount" of healthcare available cannot support the additional millions of people that will flood into the system. With no signs of an increase in doctors, nurses, etc, what happens when you add demand with no increase of supply? Costs go up and product gets much harder to get.

In addition, the government has to (this is not even an option) keep reducing Medicare payouts which will cause doctors to continue to stop seeing Medicare patients.
 
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