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Romney’s right: Obamacare cuts Medicare by $716 billion. Here’s how.

Just read his three different plans...and his blaming SS and medicare for this entire countries debt is a big lie....thats ALL HE HARPS ON...stickin it to the people you hate the most...babyboomers....but we like you will...lol

His only claim to fame is his budgets and supposed budget prowess, but those budgets are just huge lies. In order to make them look workable he instructs analysts to make assumptions that no one in his right mind believes are reasonable. He attacks Democrats over deficits, but in his career he as voted for virtually every program and decision that has caused these huge deficits.
 
His only claim to fame is his budgets and supposed budget prowess, but those budgets are just huge lies. In order to make them look workable he instructs analysts to make assumptions that no one in his right mind believes are reasonable. He attacks Democrats over deficits, but in his career he as voted for virtually every program and decision that has caused these huge deficits.


Heres the deal...ALL Ryan has ever done thats made him a hero to the far right is RANT on and on about Medicare...thats ALL he talks about...thats the ONLY problem confronting america....Medicare caused the deficit...Medicare caused the outsourcing of our economic future...Medicare caused the collapse and bailout of big CROOKED banks...Medicare is responsible for all the mass shootings...that will be next.

The rich are using anything they can to keep their flock of NON rich in line...lol....so its classwar...agewar...generationwar....whatever war they can start to keep all their broke dont have a pot to piss in voters in line...cuz without them they cant get elected to squat...its hilarious to watch if you watch it with non partisan eyes...
 
Just read his three different plans...

....so he has presented three different plans at three different times to try to get our fiscal house in order.

and his blaming SS and medicare for this entire countries debt is a big lie...

no, that's what we call "math". the "lie" is the notion that either of those programs can survive without reform.

thats ALL HE HARPS ON...

well, the American people like their free candy. it's hard to tell them that there is no such thing as a free lunch - and you are right that he emphasizes that hard fact in order that others may follow his lead. but what you are identifying is called "courage", not "dishonesty".

stickin it to the people you hate the most...babyboomers....but we like you will...lol

No. The people I hate most are hippies. :mrgreen:
 
....so he has presented three different plans at three different times to try to get our fiscal house in order.



not really. that's what we call "math". the "lie" is the notion that either of those programs can survive without reform.



well, the American people like their free candy. it's hard to tell them that there is no such thing as a free lunch - and you are right that he emphasizes that hard fact in order that others may follow his lead. but what you are identifying is called "courage", not "dishonesty".



No. The people I hate most are hippies. :mrgreen:

Ryans claim to fame is flipflopping on his voting record just like ROmney and ranting incessantly about MEDICARE likes its the only problem this country has....lets see how it works out for the phony
 
Ryans claim to fame is flipflopping on his voting record just like ROmney and ranting incessantly about MEDICARE likes its the only problem this country has....

That is incorrect. Ryan was willing to grasp the third rail of politics in order to save those programs and our nations' fisc, which is what everyone talks about. But Ryan has been equally in the lead on tax reform, healthcare reform, and reducing spending.

Yes, he voted for TARP and the Auto Bailouts. There are lots of good arguments for TARP (and a few good arguments against it as well), but the Government has - with the exception of AIG - largely made money off of it. The Auto Bailouts not so much. And Ryan later stated that he regretted both votes, just as many Democrats later regretted voting for war with Iraq. Certainly no one at the time thought that TARP was going to turn into the Presidents' private slush fund - which is what it became.
 
That is incorrect. Ryan was willing to grasp the third rail of politics in order to save those programs and our nations' fisc, which is what everyone talks about. But Ryan has been equally in the lead on tax reform, healthcare reform, and reducing spending.

Yes, he voted for TARP and the Auto Bailouts. There are lots of good arguments for TARP (and a few good arguments against it as well), but the Government has - with the exception of AIG - largely made money off of it. The Auto Bailouts not so much. And Ryan later stated that he regretted both votes, just as many Democrats later regretted voting for war with Iraq. Certainly no one at the time thought that TARP was going to turn into the Presidents' private slush fund - which is what it became.

Its absolutely correct...from ryans point of view...thats ALL HE YELPS AND WHINES ABOUT...MEDICARE SOCIAL SECURITY...and of course he wants more tax cuts for the rich....dont try to gloss it over will I wont let you...hes a fraud and a phoney and has flip changed in to what the far right teaparty and norquist want him to be... hes a teaparty lapper...
 
no, that's what we call "math". the "lie" is the notion that either of those programs can survive without reform.
Actually, what needs reform isn't SS or medicare. What needs reform is the bloated industrial military complex we call "Defense". SS has paid far more than it's taken in and paid for all of those tax cuts the rich enjoy (redistribution anyone?). Medicare is at least getting money from a separate tax (although it's far cry from covering the actual cost of care).

What we can't afford is to NOT tax appropriately. What we can't afford is a military that's so extraordinarily large. We simply don't need it, Medicare we need on the other hand.
well, the American people like their free candy. it's hard to tell them that there is no such thing as a free lunch - and you are right that he emphasizes that hard fact in order that others may follow his lead. but what you are identifying is called "courage", not "dishonesty".
No, he's attacking those that paid into the system he wants to raid. The same people that paid for his job, house and all the wonder perks like a great medical care he receives as a congressman. Damn hypocrite.
 
Republicans, Romney love making up numbers out of thin air. I read this earlier today, Romney is making up these numbers out of thin air.

wow that is a convincing claim

is it like the affirmative action poster child claiming the "rich don't pay their fair share"?
 
wow that is a convincing claim

is it like the affirmative action poster child claiming the "rich don't pay their fair share"?

What are you talking about? What does this topic have to do with affirmative action? I mean really? Try to stick to topic thread.
 
wow that is a convincing claim

is it like the affirmative action poster child claiming the "rich don't pay their fair share"?
only a person that doesn't know what affirmative action actually does would make such a dumb comparison.
 
If Romney were to end the PPACA, he would increase spending on Medicare by $716 billion. his claim that this money would reduce benefits is a lie.

Romney’s right: Obamacare cuts Medicare by $716 billion. Here’s how.


The Romney campaign has gone on the offense on Medicare, charging that the Affordable Care Act “cuts $716 billion” from the entitlement program.


That $716 billion figure is one you’ll probably be hearing a lot about during this election cycle. It’s worth understanding where it comes from and what the spending reductions mean for the Medicare program.


First, where it comes from. On July 24, the Congressional Budget Office sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, detailing the budget impact of repealing the Affordable Care Act. If Congress overturned the law, “spending for Medicare would increase by an estimated $716 billion over that 2013–2022 period.”...


Another fail thread and talking point debunked

Krauthammer vs. Juan Williams On Medicare, $700 Billion | RealClearPolitics
 
Yep, and Romney has endorsed Ryan's alternative Medicare plan (or something very much like it) which ... wait a minute ... Ryan would Repeal everything in Obamacare EXCEPT the $716 billion reduction in provider payments.

Obamacare was supposed to cut cost and decrease insurance cost for everyone. 716 billion taken out of Medicare to fund Obamacare, who is going to have to pay to replace the 716 billion back into Medicare. Obamacare has raised the price of all services and products you buy, and health insurance cost have skyrocketed, and the people that never wanted to buy insurance are now penalized by taking money away from them raising their cost. It appears after you add it all up, Obamacare is the most costly legislation in US History.
 
Obamacare was supposed to cut cost and decrease insurance cost for everyone. 716 billion taken out of Medicare to fund Obamacare, who is going to have to pay to replace the 716 billion back into Medicare. Obamacare has raised the price of all services and products you buy, and health insurance cost have skyrocketed, and the people that never wanted to buy insurance are now penalized by taking money away from them raising their cost. It appears after you add it all up, Obamacare is the most costly legislation in US History.

Not much has been said about it, but in Jan 2014 (if obamacare does not get repealed) the program called medicare advantage will cease to exist.

Medicare advantage is a great program the provides outstanding benefits for seniors. Under this program insurance companies are given a flat amount of money from the govt for each person they insure, the insurance companies then handle all claims and benefits. The premiums are Zero in some states and very small in others. The coverage is significantly better than what you get under medicare and the govt saves the administrative costs because the insurance companies handle all claims. Everybody wins.

But heres the kicker, and the reason that obama hates the program, those evil insurance companies actually might make a profit on some of their policy holders. Yes, the evil PROFIT word.

Now, those same companies have to pay 35% of that profit in corporate income taxes, but obama doesn't care about that. Profit is evil and must be stopped at all costs.

This is what we get when we put a marxist in charge.
 
There's nothing dishonest about that ad.
:shrug: I didn't claim such a thing - nor would I; I don't particularly trust Romney. But that ad is accurate.
No it's not accurate. It says or implies that the money paid in to Medicare through payroll taxes is being diverted (stolen) for Obamacare. However, the fact is the $716 billion cut brings down future costs of Medicare as the following Politifact article points out.

PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said Barack Obama robs Medicare of more than $700 billion to pay for Obamacare

$700 billion from Medicare?

The claim that Obama cut $700 billion out of Medicare is relatively new. Not long ago, the oft-cited number was $500 billion. How did he manage to cut another $200 billion when no one was looking?

First things first: Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut a dollar amount from the Medicare program’s budget.

Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program. At the time the law was passed, those reductions amounted to $500 billion over the next 10 years.

What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

Hospitals, too, will be paid less if they have too many re-admissions, or if they fail to meet other new benchmarks for patient care.
 
No it's not accurate. It says or implies that the money paid in to Medicare through payroll taxes is being diverted (stolen) for Obamacare. However, the fact is the $716 billion cut brings down future costs of Medicare as the following Politifact article points out.

Obama is trying to kill the medicare advantage plan, the money he has taken from medicare would have paid for that plan. this is part of the plan to destroy the insurance industry and move us all into a one-payer plan like the UK plan.
 
Obama is trying to kill the medicare advantage plan, the money he has taken from medicare would have paid for that plan. this is part of the plan to destroy the insurance industry and move us all into a one-payer plan like the UK plan.



"The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers."
 
"The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers."

where did you get that quote?
 
Pay close attention to this video:

 
Read post #40 ;)

Ok, here's the bottom line, and seniors pay attention. If medicare advantage is cancelled or reduced, seniors will pay higher premiums for less care and your choices will be greatly reduced.
 
this bitch has already been proven to be a blatant liar.
Bitch? Do you always use misogyny to make your point? Why not do the smart thing and prove what says in the video wrong.
 
Sorry, but Krauthammer and Fox News are not sources of "debunking" anything. One set of talking points that disagrees with another set of talking points absent explanation and competent evidential matter is nothing more than a set of talking points.

Your lies and talking points have been debunked

He's just stating absolute fact that can't be refuted. All you liberals are doing are repeating WH Talking Points like sheep. You could care less that Obama stole 700B from seniors who paid into the system.
 
Your lies and talking points have been debunked

He's just stating absolute fact that can't be refuted. All you liberals are doing are repeating WH Talking Points like sheep. You could care less that Obama stole 700B from seniors who paid into the system.
Listen to what Juan Williams said because he is the one who stated the truth.
 
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