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Paul Ryan has passed more than Obama/Biden have combined in the last 2 years...

How so? They have been passing bills… If the Democrats in the Senate and the President aren’t taking them up or signing them, it’s not because the Republican controlled congress hasn’t done anything… It’s because they’re unwilling to work with the congressmen that represent the voice of the people…

As Ezra Klein notes, this Congress makes the do-nothing Congress of the 40s look like the biggest can-do eager beavers of all time. This is most pathetic Congress in history. The big-talk, no-action Congress - The Washington Post
 
How so? They have been passing bills… If the Democrats in the Senate and the President aren’t taking them up or signing them, it’s not because the Republican controlled congress hasn’t done anything… It’s because they’re unwilling to work with the congressmen that represent the voice of the people…

Thw senate has been passing bills...If the republicands in the house aren't taking them up it it isn't because democrats are not doing anything, it's because they are unwilling to work with a senate and president that represent the voice of the people.

See… The President came in with complete control, and abused that fact… once power in the legislature was split, the president refused to cooperate with more moderate plans that appealed to both sides… and he’s been essentially a lame duck as a result…

You might have a point if democrats all voted exactly the same. Since they do not, your point fails. Further, cooperation is a two way street, blaming one side for not compromising is silly.

Nothing you have said has done anything to demonstrate that….. All it’s done is to immaturely assume I don’t know the basics of governmental procedure… and given that I’ve been at the JFK School of Government of Harvard, I find it somewhat hilarious, yet still insulting to have to have to always go back to square one with each new issue we deal with here… and clear the elementary understanding before getting to the higher level discussions which actually pertain to the issues at hand…

As we have already seen in this very post, you are quick to misstate how government works to suit your own purposes. Complaining that some one points out this misstatements is not going to be an effective tactic. Much better is actually dealing with reality.

So while all Ryan may have passed is the FY2013 budget with his controversial 2010 balanced budget proposal, by taking the hard knocks, going around and earning the credit of support for that budget, Ryan has shown he has taken a significant step towards curing this nation’s fiscal woes that the president has failed to do… The president has submitted budgets since 2009, none of which have passed… because he has not gone through and shown why they are wise, and why people should follow them…

Let ne restate this, all Ryan has succeeded in passing in his entire time in congress, that he was the primary sponser of, is 2 trivial bills. You don't get credit for passing things that do not pass.

That budget is far more significant than many of the other mild bills that the president shows so much attention towards, as well… since the $16T and rising debt is such a burden on our economy and our budget, and the massive spending gap is going to be significantly increased rather soon as the baby boomers retire causing a spike in spending towards the entitlement programs through Medicare, Social Security, Medicare, etc. which are already the largest parts of the overall budget… This situation is rather dire, and the Romney/Ryan ticket has put a far greater level of importance, and taken on the issue far more responsibly than Obama… who just thinks a tax raise on the top earners would be all that’s needed (yet, that only will raise an additional $150B… nowhere near closing the $1.2T deficit)

Ryan has not passed a budget. Making excuses for his failure is not going to change that fact.
 
As Ezra Klein notes, this Congress makes the do-nothing Congress of the 40s look like the biggest can-do eager beavers of all time. This is most pathetic Congress in history. The big-talk, no-action Congress - The Washington Post

I agree... It is an awful Congres... but that's been as a result of the Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid leadership of it... With useless twats like Barbara Boxer as a friggin Senator, how can anyone get anything done... while she's fillibustering telling jokes from Jon Stewart...

I'm not gonna say there aren't useless Republicans, Democrats, or Independents... there are... Whack jobs of all varieties can get votes depending on their constituents... Look at Barney Frank, Dennis Kucinich, and AL FRIGGIN FRANKLIN, etc. for examples of that... That's right the Democrats have put forth Al Franken as a solution to this nations problems, and naturally he's further exacerbated them by being a complainer and a cog in the sstem whose made a mockery of the process and not offered any real lasting support towards actual "Change" to the debt crisis, the entitlement restructuring, etc.

So yes, Congress has been awful, and extremely divisive, and this president has not only played along, but he's used it to his advantage, and has even been making it a political strategy on how to get re-elected... "It wasn't me" that's his new slogan... That's pathetic...

A real leader would've gotten bills passed through both houses, and worked together with them to do so, in ways that would please all sides even in an election year...
 
Thw senate has been passing bills...If the republicands in the house aren't taking them up it it isn't because democrats are not doing anything, it's because they are unwilling to work with a senate and president that represent the voice of the people.

The Democrats in both the Senate and the House have refused to submit a budget proposal to be discussed on the floor in 3 years... so I don't know what bills youre passing... that might fit the description of trivial that you spoke of earlier...


You might have a point if democrats all voted exactly the same. Since they do not, your point fails. Further, cooperation is a two way street, blaming one side for not compromising is silly.

No, I have a point, you fail to get it, since you lack a true understanding of the political process, and the history of the bodies politic involved...

It's the president's responsibility to make sure the House and Senate work together to get things done... That's in the constitution as his duty... It's historically been the precident that the President submits a budget, and with only slight tinkering, it gets passed through both houses rather easily...

This president came into office with a chip on his shoulder, and tried to dictate without cooperation, and its come back to haunt him... After in 2009 and 2010, when the Democrats tried to run away with the lead they had, they offended so many who were there and trying to participate but were ignored that when they won back the House, they've fought tooth and nail to prevent that from occuring again...

So now, that we have a divided congress, its the president's duty to get the two of them to cooperate and pass the necessary legislation... regardless of how who voted, he's supposed to finagle whichever deals he can to get some to concede to this and some to concede to that, and a few strays from each party emerge to get legislation through... he has not done this...

He continues to try and push heavily liberal legislation, without consulting both parties how they would consider the legislation before crafting it...


It's a HUGE constast with how Mitt Romney lead in MA, despite a legislature with an 85% opposition party legislature... He'd bring in key electors from both parties including the speakers of the house and senate, and he'd bring in outside bodies with no political pursuation one way or another... they'd all discuss what they wanted to pursue, and he would demand the details of how it would work, he'd consider all sides, and craft a policy most could agree on, then present it... and they would pass nearly every time...

It's how he;

- balanced the largest budget deficit in MA history, taking that $3B deficit to being a $2B rainy day fund by his second year in office... WITHOUT RAISING TAXES

- Welcome Home Bill, which increased combat pay and many other benefits to the families of the state's national guardsmen

- Melanie's Law, which stiffened the penalties for drunk drivers, requiring breathalizer interlock ignition devices installed in the cars of repear offenders

- The nation's only universal healthcare law which didn't raise the costs on the taxpayers, or require a large overarching bureaucracy to manage it... bringing MA to having BY FAR the most insured citizens of any state in the union

- Eliminated Bi-lingual education, increased standards for teachers, and several other initiatives which brough MA schools back to being the best peforming in the nation...

and many other actions, including wrestling control of the Big Dig, the nation's largest construction project in history, away from the Turnpike Authority and Mass Highway, and getting it on schedule for completion at a rate sooner than was projected at the time, and for much lower costs than were projected at the time, by suing contractors for faulty work, and working to identify overexaggerated estimates for work...

Not bad for someone whose greatest criticism in office was that he was never in the state...

As we have already seen in this very post, you are quick to misstate how government works to suit your own purposes. Complaining that some one points out this misstatements is not going to be an effective tactic. Much better is actually dealing with reality.

LMFAO... no we have not seen it... you incorrectly interpreted the political process... exempting the president from responsibility on legislative action...

Again, reference Article II Section III, the presidential powers...

Much better to learn from someone who knows than to ignorantly insist false platforms are solid... ;)

It is the president's responsibility to solve the differences between both houses of the legislature, in order to get the necessary legislation through congress...

So either, he doesn't feel anything is necessary right now... or he lacks the clout to be able to accomplish anything... Neither of those options are acceptable in the leader of this country...

Barack has been a lame duck for 2 years... something which has only happened to Andrew Johnson following impeachment... (most presidents are only a lame duck after being elected out of office... but even Bush was able to pass TARP after doing so...)... This notoriously weak president has fostered the same malaise that the US was in under Carter, which makes sense since Obama is a Carter protege'...

Again, yet another contrast with Mitt Romney, who has ALWAYS proven heavily effective at managing crises... And even on his way out, during the depths of the anti-Bush sentiment... he was able to pass the controversial groundbreaking healthcare plan and sign it into action...

Let ne restate this, all Ryan has succeeded in passing in his entire time in congress, that he was the primary sponser of, is 2 trivial bills. You don't get credit for passing things that do not pass.

LMFAO @ the only budget to pass either legislative body in the congress in 3 years as being trivial...

If it was so trivial, then why did the president chose to target him, by playing politics and inviting him to be in the front row, as he attempted to sucker punch him with a lambasting of his budget proposal, which backfired, when Ryan got up during the question and answer session, and put the president back on his heels...

The same thing happened when Ryan knocked the president around during the Healthcare debates... Ryan then went up to him, squeezed his hand while looking him in the eyes, and backed him down, to where the president had to look shifty and shady, and sneak away...

There's a history of confrontation between Ryan and Obama... that Ryan has persisently shown he's gotten under the presidents normally teflon skin... The weakness... Ryan is a smart knowledgeable guy, who the president can't attempt to browbeat with his hollow talking points and posturing about being more knowledgeable about... Ryan is smarter than the president, and it shows...

Ryan has not passed a budget. Making excuses for his failure is not going to change that fact.

Ryan did pass a budget... His budget passed the House of Representatives this year... the only budget to pass either body of the legislature since 2009... That's on the president & the Senate if they could not pass one... (The Democrats in the Senate and the House have not even submitted a budget, that's how disfunctional they are)
 
I agree... It is an awful Congres... but that's been as a result of the Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid leadership of it...

I guess you missed John Boehner taking over as House majority leader ... two years ago.
 
I guess you missed John Boehner taking over as House majority leader ... two years ago.

I don't... I fault the Congress going back to the 2006 elections... when they realy became selfishly motivated by national elections rather than solving problems ike no other time in history... and intentionally standoffish against the president like we hadn't seen since 98, and the BS hearings that they dragged out...

I'd also have to say Boehner has been A MAJOR step up from Pelosi, in terms of intelligence and demostrating clear priority... and many if not most Democrats would agree with that...


So, with as glad as I was when Newt got ousted, I was even more ecstatic when Pelosi had to step down as leader of the House of Reps... because she doesn't truly represent the people's voice... John Boehner far more typifies that... Do you not agree? Do you not see John Boehner as the everman sort of guy? Do you not see his views as representing the general view of the common man and majority of America?

A small mom & pop shop manager from Cincinnati, verse a liberal elitist whose father was a Democrat Mayor and Congressmen, that now resides in San Francisco, California... that pretty much sums it up...
 
I don't... I fault the Congress going back to the 2006 elections... when they realy became selfishly motivated by national elections rather than solving problems ike no other time in history... and intentionally standoffish against the president like we hadn't seen since 98, and the BS hearings that they dragged out...

I'd also have to say Boehner has been A MAJOR step up from Pelosi, in terms of intelligence and demostrating clear priority... and many if not most Democrats would agree with that...


So, with as glad as I was when Newt got ousted, I was even more ecstatic when Pelosi had to step down as leader of the House of Reps... because she doesn't truly represent the people's voice... John Boehner far more typifies that... Do you not agree? Do you not see John Boehner as the everman sort of guy? Do you not see his views as representing the general view of the common man and majority of America?

A small mom & pop shop manager from Cincinnati, verse a liberal elitist whose father was a Democrat Mayor and Congressmen, that now resides in San Francisco, California... that pretty much sums it up...

Of course -- all our problems started AFTER the Great Recession that the Republican Congress and president nurtured for six years! What a brilliant analysis! :lamo

I doubt you will find a Democrat in the country who would say that the weepy, feckless Boehner is better than Pelosi. Conservatives like you hate Pelosi precisely because she was so effective. Boehner is the weakest, most ineffectual speaker in my lifetime.
 
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