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What is in the Ryan budget

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Here it is, courtesy of the Christian Science Monitor:


  • Spending. Discretionary spending (FBI, FDA, education, health care, veterans, NASA, etc.) will be cut by 50%
  • Taxes. Two brackets created: 10% and 25%, corporate tax cut from 35% to 25%, alternate minimum tax repealed
  • Medicare. Abolished in current form. Seniors get vouchers to buy private insurance if they can
  • Medicaid. This health-care program for the poor would be turned into block grants to states to use as they wished
  • Food. Food stamps would be turned into block grants to states. Price supports for farmers would be reduced.

Make what you want of it. It is what it is.

Article is here.
 
i could see lowering the corporate rate to compete with Europe, but only if those corporations actually had to pay 25 percent. the way it stands now, there are many ways to weasel out of paying anywhere near that rate if you're a big enough company.

the rest of it is the same trickle down theory that hasn't delivered for the middle class. federal employment is one of the last bastions of secure middle class jobs. i'd like to see what happens to those workers when trickle down 3.0 slashes and burns existing jobs. we're going to have a lot of sparrows competing for not enough horse ****.
 
danarhea said:
Here it is, courtesy of the Christian Science Monitor:


  • Spending. Discretionary spending (FBI, FDA, education, health care, veterans, NASA, etc.) will be cut by 50%
  • Taxes. Two brackets created: 10% and 25%, corporate tax cut from 35% to 25%, alternate minimum tax repealed
  • Medicare. Abolished in current form. Seniors get vouchers to buy private insurance if they can
  • Medicaid. This health-care program for the poor would be turned into block grants to states to use as they wished
  • Food. Food stamps would be turned into block grants to states. Price supports for farmers would be reduced.

Make what you want of it. It is what it is.

Article is here.
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His budget was put on the table to start the discussion towards finding a compromise to reach a balanced budget. The dems refused to come to the table and refused to offer any alternative ideas.

Spending cuts: we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar spent by the federal govt, spending cuts are mandatory if the country is not to go bankrupt
taxes: two brackets, simplified filing, fewer deductions. I see all that as positive
Medicare: no changes for anyone 55 or over, those under 55 would have options. another good idea
Medicaid: let the states do it, they are better an managing money than the feds---except for california, maybe Cal can hire Wisc to manage their money
Food stamps: another place that states would do a better job. stop paying farmers to let their fields sit idle, another good idea.

yes, it is what it is, and how you spin it makes all the difference.
 
danarhea said:
  • Medicare. Abolished in current form. Seniors get vouchers to buy private insurance if they can
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Doesn't apply to those 54 and older. Those 53 and younger have the option to get their medicare in the form of a voucher to purchase insurance of their own, or they can enroll in the same Medicare that is available today.
 
Bobcat said:
His budget was put on the table to start the discussion towards finding a compromise to reach a balanced budget. The dems refused to come to the table and refused to offer any alternative ideas.

Spending cuts: we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar spent by the federal govt, spending cuts are mandatory if the country is not to go bankrupt
taxes: two brackets, simplified filing, fewer deductions. I see all that as positive
Medicare: no changes for anyone 55 or over, those under 55 would have options. another good idea
Medicaid: let the states do it, they are better an managing money than the feds---except for california, maybe Cal can hire Wisc to manage their money
Food stamps: another place that states would do a better job. stop paying farmers to let their fields sit idle, another good idea.

yes, it is what it is, and how you spin it makes all the difference.
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I didn't spin anything. I merely put down what exactly is in the Ryan budget.
 
Bobcat said:
His budget was put on the table to start the discussion towards finding a compromise to reach a balanced budget. The dems refused to come to the table and refused to offer any alternative ideas.
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So you're trying to say that he doesn't actually stand behind his budget? It was nothing but a conversation starter? That's interesting.
 
AdamT said:
So you're trying to say that he doesn't actually stand behind his budget? It was nothing but a conversation starter? That's interesting.
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all bills passed by one house are put on the table for discussion and compromise. thats how the legislative process works. Of course he stands behind it. But he also realizes that it takes both houses to pass a bill and then the pres must sign it.

the ryan budget has been praised by Bowles, the guy obama appointed to come up with a financial solution to the nations debt problem.
 
Bobcat said:
His budget was put on the table to start the discussion towards finding a compromise to reach a balanced budget. The dems refused to come to the table and refused to offer any alternative ideas.

Spending cuts: we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar spent by the federal govt, spending cuts are mandatory if the country is not to go bankrupt
taxes: two brackets, simplified filing, fewer deductions. I see all that as positive
Medicare: no changes for anyone 55 or over, those under 55 would have options. another good idea
Medicaid: let the states do it, they are better an managing money than the feds---except for california, maybe Cal can hire Wisc to manage their money
Food stamps: another place that states would do a better job. stop paying farmers to let their fields sit idle, another good idea.

yes, it is what it is, and how you spin it makes all the difference.
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Even Democrats praised Ryan for having the guts to tackle what's behind the curtain.

President Obama:

Back in 2010, Wisconsin's First District Congressman Paul Ryan was pushing for alternative solutions to the nation's debt problem, garnering praise from President Obama for putting forth a "serious," "legitmate" proposal to save our critical health and retirement security programs for current and future generations. The President went out of his way to commend Ryan for his proposal, calling it genuine, detailed and a legitimate plan to tackle our fiscal crisis
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FLASHBACK: Obama Praises Ryan Roadmap in 2010 - Paul Ryan - Fox Nation

From Erskine Bowles, former Chief of Staff in Clinton White House:

In a late 2011 talk at the University of North Carolina, Bowles told the audience "this guy is amazing."
"I always thought I was okay with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me, and he is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere," Bowles said. "And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget." Bowles went on to criticize the spending plans that had come out of the Obama White House.

Read more: Videos surface of Dems, including President Obama, praising Paul Ryan | Fox News
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Ryan has guts. Oh, and for those who say vouchers instead of Medicare, last year he and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden tweaked Ryan's plan offering seniors 53 and under a choice: Medicare as it sits or a voucher program. Of course, Sen. Wyden is now trying desperately to distance himself from this.

I was shocked when the was the pick. Now that I've had time to consider, I realize he is the ONLY politician who's tackled the real problem.

The truth will out. Are we ready for it??
 
MaggieD said:
Even Democrats praised Ryan for having the guts to tackle what's behind the curtain.

President Obama:

FLASHBACK: Obama Praises Ryan Roadmap in 2010 - Paul Ryan - Fox Nation

From Erskine Bowles, former Chief of Staff in Clinton White House:



Ryan has guts. Oh, and for those who say vouchers instead of Medicare, last year he and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden tweaked Ryan's plan offering seniors 53 and under a choice: Medicare as it sits or a voucher program. Of course, Sen. Wyden is now trying desperately to distance himself from this.

I was shocked when the was the pick. Now that I've had time to consider, I realize he is the ONLY politician who's tackled the real problem.

The truth will out. Are we ready for it??
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That is if you believe that trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthy should be financed on the working/middle class and the elderly. Yeah....that's a Great solution!!!!!
 
disneydude said:
That is if you believe that trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthy should be financed on the working/middle class and the elderly. Yeah....that's a Great solution!!!!!
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OK, your turn, tell us specifically which tax cuts for the wealthy are being proposed by ryan and romney. what are they, what portions of the tax code are they proposing to change? How will ONLY the rich benefit from the changes?

either provide a factual answer or admit that this is nothing but a lie and talking point.
 
AdamT said:
So you're trying to say that he doesn't actually stand behind his budget? It was nothing but a conversation starter? That's interesting.
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You find that somehow unbelievable? Someone had to do it; he knew it wouldn't pass as it sat. In fact, he and Dem. Senator Wyden tweaked the plan together -- re the voucher system. See my post.

At least he has the courage to face the problem -- put his neck on the line! That's more than Democrats can say.
 
disneydude said:
That is if you believe that trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthy should be financed on the working/middle class and the elderly. Yeah....that's a Great solution!!!!!
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Seems President Obama respected him for putting it on the table. Democratic Senator Wyden respected it enough to co-author a tweak. Clinton's Chief of Staff respects him for having the guts to put something! out there. Your guys? Nada. Oh, except let's tax the rich more.

And the Democratic Senate wouldn't touch even a conversation with a 10-foot pole. Cowards.
 
MaggieD said:
Even Democrats praised Ryan for having the guts to tackle what's behind the curtain.

President Obama:

FLASHBACK: Obama Praises Ryan Roadmap in 2010 - Paul Ryan - Fox Nation

From Erskine Bowles, former Chief of Staff in Clinton White House:



Ryan has guts. Oh, and for those who say vouchers instead of Medicare, last year he and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden tweaked Ryan's plan offering seniors 53 and under a choice: Medicare as it sits or a voucher program. Of course, Sen. Wyden is now trying desperately to distance himself from this.

I was shocked when the was the pick. Now that I've had time to consider, I realize he is the ONLY politician who's tackled the real problem.

The truth will out. Are we ready for it??
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Bowles has more recently criticized Romney's tax plan, which is quite similar to Ryan's, so it's hard to know what to make of him. Why Romney’s tax plan won’t cut the deficit - The Washington Post

I give Ryan credit for talking the fiscal conservative talk, but his voting record doesn't walk the walk. And his budget is the most radical proposal in my lifetime. It would all but eliminate the federal government but for military spending and entitlements, both of which would be radically reduced. Basically he would be taking us back to the very early days of the 20th century ... and we know how that turned out.
 
AdamT said:
Bowles has more recently criticized Romney's tax plan, which is quite similar to Ryan's, so it's hard to know what to make of him. Why Romney’s tax plan won’t cut the deficit - The Washington Post

I give Ryan credit for talking the fiscal conservative talk, but his voting record doesn't walk the walk. And his budget is the most radical proposal in my lifetime. It would all but eliminate the federal government but for military spending and entitlements, both of which would be radically reduced. Basically he would be taking us back to the very early days of the 20th century ... and we know how that turned out.
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you are getting desperate, adam.. maybe you should concede defeat on this one and move on.
 
AdamT said:
So you're trying to say that he doesn't actually stand behind his budget? It was nothing but a conversation starter? That's interesting.
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No I think he was saying that obstructionist Democrats only like playing with themselves.
 
MaggieD said:
Seems President Obama respected him for putting it on the table. Democratic Senator Wyden respected it enough to co-author a tweak. Clinton's Chief of Staff respects him for having the guts to put something! out there. Your guys? Nada. Oh, except let's tax the rich more.

And the Democratic Senate wouldn't touch even a conversation with a 10-foot pole. Cowards.
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Seriously? How many times did the "Party of NO" refuse to even enter into the conversation, let alone "compromise". The fact of the matter is, the Paul Ryan plan is an extremist plan that rewards the top 1% off the backs of the poor, the middle class and the elderly. If you believe that is a "solution"...then ABSOLUTELY you should vote for Romney. If you don't then you should vote for Obama. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
 
MaggieD said:
You find that somehow unbelievable? Someone had to do it; he knew it wouldn't pass as it sat. In fact, he and Dem. Senator Wyden tweaked the plan together -- re the voucher system. See my post.

At least he has the courage to face the problem -- put his neck on the line! That's more than Democrats can say.
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No, he and Wyden didn't "tweak" the plan. He and Wyden wrote a short paper positing a completely different plan. Wyden does not support Ryan's budget.

Simpson-Bowles is a better plan and it has been incorporated in large part into Obama's proposals.
 
AdamT said:
Bowles has more recently criticized Romney's tax plan, which is quite similar to Ryan's, so it's hard to know what to make of him. Why Romney’s tax plan won’t cut the deficit - The Washington Post

I give Ryan credit for talking the fiscal conservative talk, but his voting record doesn't walk the walk. And his budget is the most radical proposal in my lifetime. It would all but eliminate the federal government but for military spending and entitlements, both of which would be radically reduced. Basically he would be taking us back to the very early days of the 20th century ... and we know how that turned out.
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I sure don't get where you say it would "all but eliminate the Federal government..." Hopefully, voters understand something needs to be done. And, hopefully, the Republicans will win a majority in the Senate so this discussion can get underway. We are on our way to financial ruin in this country.

disneydude said:
Seriously? How many times did the "Party of NO" refuse to even enter into the conversation, let alone "compromise". The fact of the matter is, the Paul Ryan plan is an extremist plan that rewards the top 1% off the backs of the poor, the middle class and the elderly. If you believe that is a "solution"...then ABSOLUTELY you should vote for Romney. If you don't then you should vote for Obama. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
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You don't understand Ryan's plan. I do my homework, and even I'm having a hard time sorting through the details. But I suspect you are just picking up talking points and drinking Kool-Ade. Calling Republicans "The Party of No" proves that out. There was no GREATER Party of No when it came to the AHA...was there?? "I've got the power. My way or the highway."
 
MaggieD said:
I sure don't get where you say it would "all but eliminate the Federal government..." Hopefully, voters understand something needs to be done. And, hopefully, the Republicans will win a majority in the Senate so this discussion can get underway. We are on our way to financial ruin in this country.



You don't understand Ryan's plan. I do my homework, and even I'm having a hard time sorting through the details. But I suspect you are just picking up talking points and drinking Kool-Ade. Calling Republicans "The Party of No" proves that out. There was no GREATER Party of No when it came to the AHA...was there?? "I've got the power. My way or the highway."
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Paul Ryan's plan is not that difficult to understand. If you look at the details the choice is clear. If you believe that "trickle down" economics will work this time around despite its failed history, but you wanna try it one more time.....vote for Romney. If you don't want to go down that same path again....vote Obama. Read Ryan's plan.
 
AdamT said:
No, he and Wyden didn't "tweak" the plan. He and Wyden wrote a short paper positing a completely different plan. Wyden does not support Ryan's budget.

Simpson-Bowles is a better plan and it has been incorporated in large part into Obama's proposals.
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Yes, he's distancing himself. Every Democrat is distancing themselves. It was not a short paper; it was a Medicare Reform Proposal offering those 53 and younger the option for a voucher rather than Medicare as it sits. Try as he might, he will not be able to crawl under cover. His name is on it as collaborator.

As to Simpson Bowles? I don't know anything about it. And neither do you would be my guess. Just.Another.Talking.Point.
 
disneydude said:
Paul Ryan's plan is not that difficult to understand. If you look at the details the choice is clear. If you believe that "trickle down" economics will work this time around despite its failed history, but you wanna try it one more time.....vote for Romney. If you don't want to go down that same path again....vote Obama. Read Ryan's plan.
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Look, Ryan's plan doesn't stand a chance of being accepted as is. But it tackles the problem. It demands discussion. What budget problems have the Democrats tackled? Medicare and Medicaid are financial disasters. Where have they put their necks on the line to try to fix our soon-to-be financial insolvency? I'll tell you where: Nowhere at all.
 
AdamT said:
Bowles has more recently criticized Romney's tax plan, which is quite similar to Ryan's, so it's hard to know what to make of him. Why Romney’s tax plan won’t cut the deficit - The Washington Post

I give Ryan credit for talking the fiscal conservative talk, but his voting record doesn't walk the walk. And his budget is the most radical proposal in my lifetime. It would all but eliminate the federal government but for military spending and entitlements, both of which would be radically reduced. Basically he would be taking us back to the very early days of the 20th century ... and we know how that turned out.
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So you're telling all of us that Bowles speaks out of both sides of his mouth. First he likes it and now he doesn't. Fickled. :mrgreen:
 
Whenever Republicans talk about "vouchers" it is simply their way of trying to sell a handout to the wealthy while cutting budgets for the less fortunate.
Republicans "Choice" is all about benefitting their wealthy base.
 
MaggieD said:
Look, Ryan's plan doesn't stand a chance of being accepted as is. But it tackles the problem. It demands discussion. What budget problems have the Democrats tackled? Medicare and Medicaid are financial disasters. Where have they put their necks on the line to try to fix our soon-to-be financial insolvency? I'll tell you where: Nowhere at all.
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Yeah, when will those Democrats address big problems like health care reform, gender equity, gay rights, climate change, etc.? :roll:

Again, the Bowles Simpson plan emerged from the president's debt commission. It addresses the same issues that Ryan addresses, and provides a better, more equitable solution. Obama has adopted much of the plan.
 
MaggieD said:
Look, Ryan's plan doesn't stand a chance of being accepted as is. But it tackles the problem. It demands discussion. What budget problems have the Democrats tackled? Medicare and Medicaid are financial disasters. Where have they put their necks on the line to try to fix our soon-to-be financial insolvency? I'll tell you where: Nowhere at all.
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Medicare and Medicaid are no where near insolvency...and Ryan's plan SHOULDN'T ever pass. It does nothing to actually help the budget...all it does is finance tax cuts for the wealthy by cutting programs that benefit the poor and the elderly. It relies on the same failed "Trickle Down" policies that the GOP LOVES, but never work.
 
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