Are people being honest when they don't give Obama credit for taking out Bin Laden?

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the_recruit said:

What does this have to do with my comment regarding criticism of Obama for violating Pakistani sovereignty?

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I didn't quote you talking about Pakistani sovereignty. I quoted you claiming that you didn't recall seeing folks on the right crticising Obama over the bin Laden takedown.

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99percenter said:

Candidate romney 2007

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours"

Romney attacks Obama over Pakistan warning | Reuters

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Exactly. That's reiterating the criticism from the bush administration exactly as I explained it. Romney is saying it's a mistake to publicly say "i'm going to violate pakistani sovereignty"; he's not saying it's a mistake to violate pakistani sovereignty. The difference may seem subtle to you, but it's not. The comment seems perfectly obvious to me, but romney even clarified it in further detail when pressed.

Romney in 2007 on whether he’d reserve the right to go after Bin Laden in Pakistan: “Of course…[but] we keep our options quiet” « Hot Air

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AdamT said:

I didn't quote you talking about Pakistani sovereignty. I quoted you claiming that you didn't recall seeing folks on the right crticising Obama over the bin Laden takedown.

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Then you need to re-read my post because I never said such a thing. I quoted smeagol's op and bolded the particular statement I was addressing, namely his assertion that Obama's policy of venturing across Pakistan's border w/o permission was being criticized by the right, which I challenged.

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This is normally the sort of thing for which any President who has it happen on his watch gets to take credit.

In Obama's case, however, by his own principles, I have to point out that he didn't do it. Someone else made it happen.

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Bob Blaylock said:

This is normally the sort of thing for which any President who has it happen on his watch gets to take credit.

In Obama's case, however, by his own principles, I have to point out that he didn't do it. Someone else made it happen.

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Its always someone else that makes it happen Bob....applies to any president right ?

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Smeagol said:

If I recall, a big controversy in 2008 was Obama's assertion that he would engage in military actions against Al Qaeda inside Pakistani borders WITHOUT Pakistani consent. If I further recall this policy was hugely criticized at the time by many leaders on the right as this would offend 'our key ally in the War on Terror'. As events panned out, Obama was elected POTUS and it was this very policy that led to the intelligence required to locate Al Qaeda Chief Osama Bin Laden which led to his ultimate demise all without the foreknowledge of the Pakistani government who it turns out were the ones hiding him near their equivalent of West Point. Now all of sudden leaders on the right are saying President Obama deserves NO credit for taking out the leader of the terrorist organization that committed the worst case of mass murder on American soil because ANY PRESIDENT would have done the same thing. Ah hem...do we have an honestly problem, memory lapse or am I not seeing something correctly? Help Smeagol understand...THE PRECOCIOUS!

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Just another instance of liberals looking for something to talk about rather then the issues that face our country.


I can’t stand Obama, never could, yet I give him credit for taking down OBL. OBL got taken down on his watch .. It’s as simple as that.


The controversy that the left is trying to play out here, is of their own making, it was never “if” we would go into Pakistani borders after OBL, it “was” that Obama made that statement publicly, in most peoples opinion that was a dumb thing to do. In short going into Pakistan to get OBL was by all means the right thing to do, saying publicly before hand that you will cross an allies borders with out their permission isn’t the brightest thing in the world to do .


As for the statement that Obama did no more then any president would have done. I would hope that to be a very true statement, I don’t care who was in office, in my opinion, given the intel that Obama had would have done the same thing, and if they hadn’t , they would have been hammered by the right, and rightfully so.


So you left liberals just keep trying, who knows maybe one day you will come up with a controversy that actually has some merit to it.

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Smeagol said:

If I recall, a big controversy in 2008 was Obama's assertion that he would engage in military actions against Al Qaeda inside Pakistani borders WITHOUT Pakistani consent. If I further recall this policy was hugely criticized at the time by many leaders on the right as this would offend 'our key ally in the War on Terror'. As events panned out, Obama was elected POTUS and it was this very policy that led to the intelligence required to locate Al Qaeda Chief Osama Bin Laden which led to his ultimate demise all without the foreknowledge of the Pakistani government who it turns out were the ones hiding him near their equivalent of West Point. Now all of sudden leaders on the right are saying President Obama deserves NO credit for taking out the leader of the terrorist organization that committed the worst case of mass murder on American soil because ANY PRESIDENT would have done the same thing. Ah hem...do we have an honestly problem, memory lapse or am I not seeing something correctly? Help Smeagol understand...THE PRECOCIOUS!

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He gets 100% credit for getting him (not taking anything away from the Seals here). He made the ballsey call that paid off.

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He gets credit for making the call with the potential ramifications of failing and even with success (ie lose of american life).

Bush gets credit for pushing for the strenghtening and cohesion of our intelligence community which led to the beginning of this string of information, in 2004, that eventually led to Osama.

The Intelligence Community gets credit for their dilligent work in following this string for 8 years and finally zeroing in to a necessary degree of certainty on his wareabouts.

The military gets credit for pulling off the operation, risking their lives, and carrying out the action.

The desire by both sides to try and remove credit where credit is deserved, to minimize the credit but also to over exaggerate it, is just disheartening but a clear illustration of our political infastructure unfortunately.

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the_recruit said:

So you concede that you don't know of any republicans who criticized (that's past tense, it's hard to criticize Obama's 2011 actions in 2007) obama for entering pakistan without their permission to get OBL?

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Huh? Several have been cited George W Bush leading the way who btw I voted for twice. If the sitting President condemns a policy statement made by the opposition, usually it becomes a policy position of most people of his party, no? John McCain, Rudy Giulianni and a bunch of bloggers and pundits. In the case of Romney and McCain honesty requires me to acknowledge they didn't exactly say they wouldn't refuse to unilaterally go after Al Qaeda inside of Pakistan but rather would try being diplomatic. I see Romney's translation as this:

-It could harm US relations with Pakistan if they get out the bull horn and announce they would not respect Pakistani sovereignty and Pakistant is our ally.
-He sees Pakistan as our friend as opposed to Obama who sees Iran and Venezuela as our friends. As a friend of the US he would give them the benefit of the doubt and keep them in the loop (which btw is exactly what I would have done). Elements within the Pakistani government would have likely then tipped him off. Round 2 try to find him again and if successful take him out without telling Pakistan in advance.

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The Barbarian said:

Just another instance of liberals looking for something to talk about rather then the issues that face our country.

I can’t stand Obama, never could, yet I give him credit for taking down OBL. OBL got taken down on his watch .. It’s as simple as that.

The controversy that the left is trying to play out here, is of their own making, it was never “if” we would go into Pakistani borders after OBL, it “was” that Obama made that statement publicly, in most peoples opinion that was a dumb thing to do. In short going into Pakistan to get OBL was by all means the right thing to do, saying publicly before hand that you will cross an allies borders with out their permission isn’t the brightest thing in the world to do .

As for the statement that Obama did no more then any president would have done. I would hope that to be a very true statement, I don’t care who was in office, in my opinion, given the intel that Obama had would have done the same thing, and if they hadn’t , they would have been hammered by the right, and rightfully so.

So you left liberals just keep trying, who knows maybe one day you will come up with a controversy that actually has some merit to it.

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He only got into Pakistan because someone DIDNT do the right thing at Tora Bora.

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You are not seeing the taking out of Osama Bin Laden in the correct political landscape. Obama is a democrat/socialist/muslim/Kenyan/foreigner/communist/traitor/lying piece of human excrement/leftist/liberal and everything he does is wrong, hence, what he did with Osama Bin Laden is wrong.

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Blue_State said:

He gets 100% credit for getting him (not taking anything away from the Seals here). He made the ballsey call that paid off.

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I agree. I just notice not everyone, including pundits and politicians are saying this. They're saying 'any president' would have done exactly the same thing when the republican position in 2007 was they wouldn't have done what Obama that made it possible to get Bin Laden, violate the trust and sovereignty of our friend and key ally in the war on terror.

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lunchbox said:

Osama Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch. I see no reason to not give the man credit for that hit.

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Anyone who does not take off their hat to Obama for nixing bin laden does not have my respect at all. Bin laden attacked our country and Obama settled that score after the Bush admin used it to misled our nation into an unethical war for oil in Iraq. Our troops had bin laden cornered in tora bora in dec of 2001 - just months after 9/11 - yet were ordered by the pentagon to stand down...I've looked into this extensively and the only viable reason for not taking bin laden out at that point was because it would end the Bush Administrations chances of okey-doking our nation into a war in Iraq. I am a Fiscal Conservative, I have never voted Democrat in my life, but this was discusting and it very nearly caused me to give up on the Republican Party.

http://generation-add.blogspot.com/2011/04/longest-war-history-of-war-on-terror.html

GENERATION A.D.D.: April 2012