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Mitt Romney: I’m Running With Paul Ryan, But Not On The Ryan Budget

Mycroft said:
1. Sorry, but I don't see runaway increased government spending as a viable solution. Obama and the Democrats tried that already...it didn't work.
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Both parties are guilty. See: Iraq War.

2. Now, see...If Obama had an "R" behind his name, he wouldn't be trying to make crappy deals like that. That's what Democrats do.
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Complete nonsense.

3. Now, lets see...I don't support Obama, so I suppose to you I have no integrity because I'm unwilling to vote for him. Or, are you talking about Romney? I do support him because he has an "R" behind his name and I am willing to vote for him. Do you think that means I don't have integrity?
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You automatically assume that, because there is an (R) by his name, he is automatically going to agree with you. I agree with Romney on certain issues except for, he is religious (and an even sillier one that the Abrahamic ones) and he is pro-life (he was not too long ago). So you are telling me you agree with him on EVERY topic? If not, you aren't adhering to your principles, ethics, or morals. Hence, no integrity.

Do YOU really know what you mean?

Tell you what...YOU tell me who you want to vote for and tell me if you believe wholeheartedly in everything he stands for. And, if that person is Obama, tell me that you think his campaign tactics...if his flip flops...his insistence on taxing anyone who moves...is something you agree with.

What kind of integrity do YOU have?
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I don't really intend on voting as there is no candidate that lines up with me.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
1. Both parties are guilty. See: Iraq War.

2. Complete nonsense.

3. You automatically assume that, because there is an (R) by his name, he is automatically going to agree with you. I agree with Romney on certain issues except for, he is religious (and an even sillier one that the Abrahamic ones) and he is pro-life (he was not too long ago). So you are telling me you agree with him on EVERY topic? If not, you aren't adhering to your principles, ethics, or morals. Hence, no integrity.

3. I don't really intend on voting as there is no candidate that lines up with me.
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1. Tell me what Republican proposed solutions to our economic plight include runaway government spending? Do you know of any? You would be better served, when talking to me, by staying within the confines of current realities. What Bush, the Republicans and the Democrats did to advance the Iraq War has no bearing on today.

2. Okay...I guess if you say so, it's utter nonsense...though just saying that isn't very convincing.

3. Now see, here is where I see it's obvious that discussing anything with you is useless. You read my words...you filter them through your biases...and then you assign to me attitudes that I either made no statement about or are contradictory to what I've actually said. Until you manage to read my words...understand my words...and prevent yourself from putting YOUR words in my mouth, I'm afraid we have nothing more to say to each other.

Good day.
 
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Mycroft said:
1. Tell me what Republican proposed solutions to our economic plight include runaway government spending? Do you know of any? You would be better served, when talking to me, by staying within the confines of current realities. What Bush, the Republicans and the Democrats did to advance the Iraq War has no bearing on today.
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It's a fairly large chunk of our debt, therefore, it does have bearing on today. There is also advocation among Republicans for spending to prevent abortions and promote "traditional marriage values" and "family values."

Defense spending to spike by $2.1 trillion under Romney - May. 10, 2012

2. Okay...I guess if you say so, it's utter nonsense...though just saying that isn't very convincing.
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That was just partisan hackery.

3. Now see, here is where I see it's obvious that discussing anything with you is useless. You read my words...you filter them through your biases...and then you assign to me attitudes that I either made no statement about or are contradictory to what I've actually said. Until you manage to read my words...understand my words...and prevent yourself from putting YOUR words in my mouth, I'm afraid we have nothing more to say to each other.

Good day.
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What'd I miss? You said you're voting for Romney because he has an (R) by his name, right? You seem unable to stick to your principles by voting for anyone with an (R) by their name. That shows a lack of integrity. Nice to see you don't have an argument against it.
 
Mycroft said:
What you both don't seem to understand is...we have two choices here:

1. Elect Obama and continue the same useless non-solution stuff we've gotten from him and the Democrats for the past 4 years.

2. Elect a President with an "R" behind his name who will work with the Republican Congress...who happen to be the ones with the solutions.

If you could guarantee the Obama with an "R" behind his name will work with the Republicans, I'd vote for him. I don't think you could do that, though.

And I have nothing against Gary Johnson...but I know he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell to get elected. Same with Ron Paul. I prefer not to waste my vote.
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If you are a Republican there is actually a third choice. And that is to vote for neither Romney or Obama. Vote for a write-in candidate or Libertarian or someone who you can respect. RINO Romney is by FAR the WORST candidate the Republican Party has ever put forth. Every vote he gets validates the Party's decision to go with a flip flopper RINO. As we come closer to Nov 6th its going to become even more obvious that there is no chance of him winning. So we need to send a mesage to the Republican Party: NO MORE LAME-Os. No more RINOs. No more flip floppers and Liberals in Republicans clothing. The only way that message is going to be made clear to the Party bosses is if Romney gets wiped out in Walter Mondale fashion.
 
The Ryan budget is what we need.

The entitlement programs need some serious trimming.
 
johnny_rebson said:
The Ryan budget is what we need.

The entitlement programs need some serious trimming.
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Does this include pensions to government employees in your opinion? I'm very interested in Scott Walkers rise to fame. The lefties are painting him as a Union buster. Unions might serve some purpose, but for the most part they seem bloated. And I'm not a big fan of pensions/retirements. This just does not make sense to me. Here's an example. I have a dear friend who is a retired fire chief. He retired ten years ago and is getting nearly $100,000 a year from his pension. He started with the fire department in the 1970s. Do you know how much $100,000 would be worth in 1970??? I love this guy, he's a great guy, he fought fires for many years. But now he honestly has more money than he knows what to do with. Now multiply this one guy by the thousands and thousands of governmetn employees who are getting huge pensions, some of them retired social workers or state department workers or military folk or school teachers, etc --all making these huge pensions while not currently providing society with any service and it just looks like a huge vaccum. And each day as the baby boomers retire, they keep eating up more and more of the younger generations hard earned dollars. Now I dont want to seem callous, but I think fair is fair. These Baby boomers are largely responsible for the society and the economy we live in today. They set themselves up real sweet, but the Me Generation really didnt set anything aside for younger generations. So maybe it is time that the Scott Walkers and the Paul Ryans - the younger generations - started staking out some turf for the younger generations. Maybe its time for the younger generations to started pushing back against the Boomers - the Me Generation that has been the ones who have twisted us into our current state of affairs...
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
If you are a Republican there is actually a third choice. And that is to vote for neither Romney or Obama. Vote for a write-in candidate or Libertarian or someone who you can respect. RINO Romney is by FAR the WORST candidate the Republican Party has ever put forth. Every vote he gets validates the Party's decision to go with a flip flopper RINO. As we come closer to Nov 6th its going to become even more obvious that there is no chance of him winning. So we need to send a mesage to the Republican Party: NO MORE LAME-Os. No more RINOs. No more flip floppers and Liberals in Republicans clothing. The only way that message is going to be made clear to the Party bosses is if Romney gets wiped out in Walter Mondale fashion.
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A vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama.

I will NEVER vote for Obama.
 
Fruityfact said:
Burden of proof is on you..
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Not really.

The solutions are common knowledge. They've been made public for almost two years. You really should learn to do your own homework.

Now...we can talk about whether those solutions are viable or not...but in a different thread. You can start one if you like.

This thread is about Romney's statement concerning his pick of Ryan as VP and his support of the Ryan Budget.

Try to stay on topic, eh?
 
Mycroft said:
Not really.

The solutions are common knowledge.
Now...we can talk about whether those solutions are viable or not...but in a different thread. You can start one if you like.

This thread is about Romney's statement concerning his pick of Ryan as VP and his support of the Ryan Budget.

Try to stay on topic, eh?
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Actually I believe it stays very close on topic..we are saying he is not running on Ryan's budget, so what is he running on..very on tangent question.
I would definitely counter your statement "the solutions are common knowledge"- i don't call the generalization "cutting regulation" a solution
 
Fruityfact said:
Actually I believe it stays very close on topic..we are saying he is not running on Ryan's budget, so what is he running on..very on tangent question.
I would definitely counter your statement "the solutions are common knowledge"- i don't call the generalization "cutting regulation" a solution
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This thread is about Romney's statement that he is not running on Ryan's Budget...but that he will propose his own when he is ready. So...evidently you want him to propose something now, or you will assume that he really DOES intend to run on Ryan's budget and and, therefore, want to talk about it.

I don't share your assumption.
 
Mycroft said:
This thread is about Romney's statement that he is not running on Ryan's Budget...but that he will propose his own when he is ready. So...evidently you want him to propose something now, or you will assume that he really DOES intend to run on Ryan's budget and and, therefore, want to talk about it.

I don't share your assumption.
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And when IS Romney going to release his OWN plan? Right after he releases his tax returns??? I'm not holding my breath for this flip flopper!
 
Mycroft said:
...but that he will propose his own when he is ready.
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Since Romney has flip-flopped so many times on issues, what makes you think he wwon't flop again and support Ryan's full plan when he is president?
 
TheNextEra said:
Since Romney has flip-flopped so many times on issues, what makes you think he wwon't flop again and support Ryan's full plan when he is president?
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And since Romney lies so fluidly and often, what makes you think he's telling the truth when he says he doesn't support Ryan's plan?
 
TheNextEra said:
Since Romney has flip-flopped so many times on issues, what makes you think he wwon't flop again and support Ryan's full plan when he is president?
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Doesn't matter to me...as long as he and the Congressional Republicans do something once he's elected.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
And when IS Romney going to release his OWN plan? Right after he releases his tax returns??? I'm not holding my breath for this flip flopper!
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Why are you worried about it?

It won't be any worse than "you'll see it after we pass it".
 
This is from the OP's source Mitt Romney: I’m Running With Paul Ryan, But Not On The Ryan Budget | TPM2012

The Obama campaign responds:

Romney has strongly endorsed the Romney-Ryan Budget throughout his campaign - turning time and time again to the same tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans on the backs of middle-class families as Paul Ryan has championed in Congress. The Romney-Ryan Budget would turn Medicare into a voucher program, make severe cuts to programs like education that would hamper job creation, and repeal health care reform and key protections in Wall Street reform - all to pay for massive tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.
Paul Ryan is the perfect pick to implement Mitt Romney’s agenda, since they are one and the same.
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Apparently the libs on this site didnt get the memo, the Ryan and Romney plans are the same, according to the Obama admin.
 
Mycroft said:
Doesn't matter to me...as long as he and the Congressional Republicans do something once he's elected.
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Even if it makes the problem worse? Yeah, sounds like typically Republican sheep to me. You don't care what happens and if it hurts America, just as long as your side is doing it.

Obama and Romney are both bad for America.
 
TheNextEra said:
Even if it makes the problem worse? Yeah, sounds like typically Republican sheep to me. You don't care what happens and if it hurts America, just as long as your side is doing it.

Obama and Romney are both bad for America.
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The Republicans can't make anything worse that Obama and his ilk have already. I want them to have a chance to do what they can. That means Obama has to go and he needs to take a lot of Democratic Senators with him.

btw, you might not have heard...I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative.
 
Mycroft said:
The Republicans can't make anything worse that Obama and his ilk have already.
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That is pure ignorance, ANY presidency can make things worse.

Mycroft said:
I want them to have a chance to do what they can. That means Obama has to go and he needs to take a lot of Democratic Senators with him.
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That's your opinion, however, we have seen Republicans time and time again increase debt and increase spending. Democrats alone did not do this, they had so called "conservative" and GOP help.

Mycroft said:
btw, you might not have heard...I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative.
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If you voted Bush, you're no conservative. Just a wanna be (AKA Republican).
 
Mycroft said:
Why are you worried about it?

It won't be any worse than "you'll see it after we pass it".
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The only thing I'm worried about is RINO Romney flushing the Republican Party right down the toilet. If he gets the nomination then wha the Repubican Party is essentially saying is that: "we are not a Party of Integrity, we are not a party of fiscal Conservatism. We are the Party of spineless flip-floppers who obediently suckles from the corporate tit that funds us!!!"
 
Listen; name for me one President who agreed with his Vice President on every single issue. I think having 2 men at the top with similar convictions, but who can have a debate on some issues to get the best solution is in some ways better than 2 men who agree on everything without any questions asked. If we look back in history, one of the best Presidential Cabinets was composed of men with highly divergent views: Abraham Lincoln's. He incorporated the Blair's who were highly conservative and Salmon Chase who was a radical as well as democrats and old whigs. They would have healthy debates, and not much passed unanimously, but they managed to pick the best solutions and restored our great country. Ultimately, Romney will have the last word in these debates. So enough of the nit picking with Ryan, focus on the man who will be making the final decisions.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
The only thing I'm worried about is RINO Romney flushing the Republican Party right down the toilet. If he gets the nomination then wha the Repubican Party is essentially saying is that: "we are not a Party of Integrity, we are not a party of fiscal Conservatism. We are the Party of spineless flip-floppers who obediently suckles from the corporate tit that funds us!!!"
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I really have no concerns about the Republican Party as you describe. I'm more interested in results. If they can succeed in reducing government power, control and size and if this results in less government spending I'll be happy.

Look, we have two choices...as I've said before. Obama and the Democrats...who have shown during the past four years they will NOT make me happy. Or the Republicans...who have promised to make me happy. I intend to give them the chance.
 
Mycroft said:
I really have no concerns about the Republican Party as you describe. I'm more interested in results. If they can succeed in reducing government power, control and size and if this results in less government spending I'll be happy.
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And that's not going to happen with Romney. Please give me ONE specific example of cutting government spending that Romney will bring? He is a liberal in Republican clothings pal - how can anyone be so blind as to not see that??? The budget in Mass while he was goveror went up 25% in the five years that he was there! And on top of that he is moving the Party farther to the left than it has ever been. He is going to ruin the party.
 
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