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I don't see how Obama lose this election after Mitt pick.

My mistake about the GOP. GOP hacks are usually the ones that use that ridiculous number.
As it turns out the Bush Crash did push me into early (semi-)retirement --- so don't pretend to know how "we" feel about it. :roll:
Bush isnt president and Obama has presided over steadily increasing unemployment figures with no plan to turn the economy around. Embrace that suck all you want...its still suck.
 
This thread is mistitled. It should read: I don't see how Obama wins with Ryan as Romney's VP.

Now the debate will be on policy and ideas, not mudslinging and lies. Chicago corrupt politics loses to honesty and truth.

Enjoy your last 4 months of your kenyan messiah's reign, libs.

President Romney, Ex president Obama----------get used to it.
 
This thread is mistitled. It should read: I don't see how Obama wins with Ryan as Romney's VP.

Now the debate will be on policy and ideas, not mudslinging and lies. Chicago corrupt politics loses to honesty and truth.

Enjoy your last 4 months of your kenyan messiah's reign, libs.

President Romney, Ex president Obama----------get used to it.

Right.....and how will Romney appeal to the middle again? I'm missing that part in your answer? The Media even Fox News don't favor Romney, however you think he going to win? Oh please show us the logic.
 
Right.....and how will Romney appeal to the middle again? I'm missing that part in your answer? The Media even Fox News don't favor Romney, however you think he going to win? Oh please show us the logic.

LOL, just watch and learn. american are not as stupid as you and obama think they are. Romney will take Fla, Ohio, and Wisconsin, and maybe Colorado. then its over.
 
Ok, I'm been thinking about all day, Obama up to this point has ran a solid campaign against Romney so far. I said this earlier on another post, Obama is a great politician. What can Romney really run on? He had a tough time out of the primaries. Once he was election as the Republican nominee Obama started hitting him with ad after ad. I have to give Obama credit for creating a picture about Romney early and often. Romney can't even get win the messaging war. Any ad that Romney tried to run get debunked within 24hr news cycle. Fox News has pretty much given up on Romney. The one video that is very telling is this
What VP pick was going to make Romney win?

I think Paul Ryan is the best choice, but not make him win.
 
What VP pick was going to make Romney win?

I think Paul Ryan is the best choice, but not make him win.

That is hard however Ryan was already labeled as "medicare killer" I don't see picking him with such a label.
 
What will Romney run on? Good question. Romney will run on many years in both the public and private sectors, with so many succsssess it's not funny. Compare that to the skinny guy from Chicago who has no experience other than a prime time speech at a convention and 2 (not 1) memoirs.
 
That is hard however Ryan was already labeled as "medicare killer" I don't see picking him with such a label.
Hence Romney distanced himself from the Ryans plan. Everyone got baggage, I don't think Ryans Medicare record is very significant if Romney is not planning to implement it.

I think picking Ryan was an attempt to be able to talk about the economy instead of Bain and tax records.
 
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This thread is for kindergartners! Seriously!! The entire premise is flawed beyond logical reason! Obama has ran a "solid campaign?" LOL Mitt has nothing to run on? LOL

I knew there was a reason I strayed away from this forum. Too many political lightweights!
 
Romney is conducting his campaign like a businessman, trying to maximize his profit with each campaign stop, speech, and policy. That works when you're running a business, even slight improvements in cost and efficiency in each aspect of a business can add up to significant profits.

Unfortunately, running a campaign is much more of tactical exercise. It's never a bad idea to make money when running a business. However in a campaign, sometimes it's better to accept a small loss than gain an expensive victory. And sometimes it's better to avoid the fight altogether in favour of another fight, on another topic.

The Obama campaign has been excellent at this. They understand media coverage and how to pick their battles. Their attacks may start out multi-pronged, but they converge onto a central narrative. Even when all of the 'experts' claimed they were wrong, the Obama campaign stuck to their guns waited for Romney to make an inevitable gaff. When it happened, they had an entire narrative ready for the press to grab on to.

In contrast, Romney's campaign seems to be running a spray and pray approach. Their attacks are all over the map. When faced with even moderate headwinds, he changes course. As a result, even when they managed to draw blood, there's never a followup, never a compelling narrative. He might budge the numbers a bit, but then the news cycle resets and the press moves onto the next story.

Nothing illustrates Romney's fundamental lack of tactics than the Ryan pick. Sure, it may have given him the best instantaneous bounce. But, it plays right into every negative narrative against him. By picking Ryan, Romney highlighted his tax problems and capitulation to the GOP base. Because Romney is essentially a blank canvas, Obama can tatoo him with every Bush policy that Ryan voted for. It forces him to embrace the Ryan budget in it's entirety. Worst of all, it allows Obama to pick the battleground. Obama can use Ryan to bring up every issue that divides the GOP base from moderates and independents.
 
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan remind me of Thurston Howell and Gomer Pyle ...a strange couple of characters indeed.
 
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan remind me of Thurston Howell and Gomer Pyle ...a strange couple of characters indeed.

Which TV character do you see President Obama as? I mean, since we're being silly now....
 
Ryan was Romney's Palin Pick. Unless you are hard right, Ryan is not a good choice. That means most Republicans are not going to support the R&R ticket. Certainly most middle of the road voters and most Independents are going to stay the hell away from the GOP now, if they haven't already jumped off the train wreck, and many of the already have.

Romney's pick may just give Gary Johnson more of a chance. :applaud
Who the **** is Gary Johnson?
 
Romney is conducting his campaign like a businessman, trying to maximize his profit with each campaign stop, speech, and policy. That works when you're running a business, even slight improvements in cost and efficiency in each aspect of a business can add up to significant profits.

Unfortunately, running a campaign is much more of tactical exercise. It's never a bad idea to make money when running a business. However in a campaign, sometimes it's better to accept a small loss than gain an expensive victory. And sometimes it's better to avoid the fight altogether in favour of another fight, on another topic.

The Obama campaign has been excellent at this. They understand media coverage and how to pick their battles. Their attacks may start out multi-pronged, but they converge onto a central narrative. Even when all of the 'experts' claimed they were wrong, the Obama campaign stuck to their guns waited for Romney to make an inevitable gaff. When it happened, they had an entire narrative ready for the press to grab on to.

In contrast, Romney's campaign seems to be running a spray and pray approach. Their attacks are all over the map. When faced with even moderate headwinds, he changes course. As a result, even when they managed to draw blood, there's never a followup, never a compelling narrative. He might budge the numbers a bit, but then the news cycle resets and the press moves onto the next story.

Nothing illustrates Romney's fundamental lack of tactics than the Ryan pick. Sure, it may have given him the best instantaneous bounce. But, it plays right into every negative narrative against him. By picking Ryan, Romney highlighted his tax problems and capitulation to the GOP base. Because Romney is essentially a blank canvas, Obama can tatoo him with every Bush policy that Ryan voted for. It forces him to embrace the Ryan budget in it's entirety. Worst of all, it allows Obama to pick the battleground. Obama can use Ryan to bring up every issue that divides the GOP base from moderates and independents.
It will be hard for Obama to tattoo anyone on Bush's programs since all he has done since he took office is continued Bush programs at every level.
 
Obama is going to lose in a landslide. He will now have to talk about his record instead of claiming Romney killed some guy's wife

The Counterpunch | The Weekly Standard

In the single most important test of his leadership prior to November 6, Mitt Romney chose the ideal running mate in Paul Ryan, who will now help Romney in a myriad of ways. Some on the left, however, appear giddy at the thought of running against Ryan’s proposed Medicare reforms, which would keep Medicare — and the nation — solvent by giving future (not current) seniors more freedom, more choice, and more opportunity to pursue value. Such liberals seem unaware that, in demagoguing Ryan’s exceptionally well-conceived plan, Obama will open himself up to two powerful counterpunches — both involving Obamacare.


The first is this: While Obama has shown appallingly little seriousness in dealing with our runaway deficit spending or the runaway entitlement spending that drives it, he does have his own plan to reduce Medicare costs. It relies upon the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), a creation of Obamacare.

The IPAB is a board of 15 unelected and largely unaccountable bureaucrats who would be empowered to cut payments to Medicare providers. In Ryan’s own words, “Obamacare … puts a new rationing board in charge of Medicare next year to start price-controlling Medicare to deny access to current seniors.” (Amazingly, Obamacare says that Congress wouldn’t even be allowed to overrule the IPAB’s decisions with a majority vote, thereby also making the IPAB quite constitutionally dubious.)
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Under Obamacare and the IPAB — according to the Medicare chief actuary — Medicare providers would be paid less than Medicaid providers by the end of this decade. Good luck getting in to see medical professionals when they wouldn’t even get paid as much to see you as they’d get paid for seeing Medicaid patients.

Moreover, Obama has doubled-down on the IPAB. Not content with the largely unchecked powers that Obamacare grants it, he has subsequently called for strengthening it.

The second counterpunch, to follow immediately upon the first, is this: Any money that the IPAB or other parts of Obamacare would wring out of Medicare wouldn’t go to making Medicare, or the country, more solvent — or to extending the life of Medicare. It would go to Obamacare. That’s right: Obama’s centerpiece legislation would use Medicare as a piggybank — which (given Medicare’s dire financial straits) makes about as much sense as using Greece as a piggybank.

Indeed, the most politically brazen feature of Obamacare has always been its looting of Medicare. About half of Obamacare’s funding would come from siphoning money out of Medicare, while the other half would come from raising taxes on Americans and on American businesses. In fact, Obama is aware enough of this vulnerability that he recently initiated the $8.35 billion Senior Swindle — an unscrupulous and probably illegal ploy to attempt to hide the effects of Medicare Advantage cuts from seniors until after his “last election.”

In short, the more Obama seeks to demagogue Ryan’s proposed Medicare reforms, the more Romney and Ryan will respond by hitting Obama hard on Obamacare. And the more this election centers on Obamacare, the less likely Obama is to win.
 
one wrong statement (not unexpected) from the Weekly Standard editorial
The IPAB is a board of 15 unelected and largely unaccountable bureaucrats who would be empowered to cut payments to Medicare providers.

from a bit more reliable source - Kaiser Health News
Who will serve on the panel?

It will have 15 full-time members, and only a minority of them can be health care providers. The president is required to get suggestions from leaders of both parties in Congress in nominating 12 of the 15 appointees. For the other three, he doesn't have to consult Congress. The members have to be confirmed by the Senate.

and another less than truthful statement from the Weekly Standard
“Obamacare … puts a new rationing board in charge of Medicare next year to start price-controlling Medicare to deny access to current seniors.”

again from the Kaiser site
How exactly will IPAB slow Medicare spending?

Under the health care law, the board is required to recommend reductions in Medicare if spending per capita is projected to exceed specific targets. From fiscal year 2015 through 2019, that target is based on inflation gauges. Beginning in 2020, the target is based on the growth of the gross domestic product plus one percentage point. Proponents note that IPAB won't impose a "hard cap" on spending, but rather will recommend ways to reduce spending. "IPAB is meant to be a fallback if the health law doesn't control spending as well as we think it will," said Robert Kocher, a former special assistant to Obama on health care.

notice that word "recommend"? it does not mean "order" or "command"
 
one wrong statement (not unexpected) from the Weekly Standard editorial


from a bit more reliable source - Kaiser Health News


and another less than truthful statement from the Weekly Standard


again from the Kaiser site


notice that word "recommend"? it does not mean "order" or "command"

Note too that Ryan's plan does exactly the same thing.
 
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