What is the purpose of the Obama Ad claiming "you probably pay a higher tax

than Romney? Sounds like class envy is the main appeal. It sure has nothing to do with Romney's ability to lead or justifying Obama's failure to do the job.

Obviously, Obama considers what percentage a person pays important when seeking public office. That would explain why he rejected Ted Kennedys endorsement back in '08. Why he voted against Kerry in '04. Why he rejected bundled money from John Corzine. Why he refuses to associate with Nancy Pelosi. Why he thinks Bloomberg is a horrible mayor. And the reason he campaigns against Rockefeller, Lautenberg, Blumenthal, and Feinstein.

TurtleDude said:

than Romney? Sounds like class envy is the main appeal. It sure has nothing to do with Romney's ability to lead or justifying Obama's failure to do the job.

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Is it class envy to oppose regressive effective tax rates?

Straight question T-dude: Should someone making as much as Romney pay a lower tax percentage than someone of a quarter the income?

TurtleDude said:

than Romney? Sounds like class envy is the main appeal. It sure has nothing to do with Romney's ability to lead or justifying Obama's failure to do the job.

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I could say "the sky is blue" and it would sound like class envy to you.

The commerical pointed out that Romney may have paid a lower effective rate(debatable), and the newest study on his tax plans shows that the wealthy would pay even less, while the middle class would pay more. In other words, his tax plan it to help those like him who are rich while hurting the rest of the people. It is not class envy to point out that some one wants to take from you to give to some one else.

Redress said:

I could say "the sky is blue" and it would sound like class envy to you.

The commerical pointed out that Romney may have paid a lower effective rate(debatable), and the newest study on his tax plans shows that the wealthy would pay even less, while the middle class would pay more. In other words, his tax plan it to help those like him who are rich while hurting the rest of the people. It is not class envy to point out that some one wants to take from you to give to some one else.

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Maybe you haven't figured it out yet:

It's not class warfare when the rich do it.

Deuce said:

Is it class envy to oppose regressive effective tax rates?

Straight question T-dude: Should someone making as much as Romney pay a lower tax percentage than someone of a quarter the income?

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Romney pays the highest possible tax rate on like income


assuming that Romney is not breaking the law, the question stands

Redress said:

I could say "the sky is blue" and it would sound like class envy to you.

The commerical pointed out that Romney may have paid a lower effective rate(debatable), and the newest study on his tax plans shows that the wealthy would pay even less, while the middle class would pay more. In other words, his tax plan it to help those like him who are rich while hurting the rest of the people. It is not class envy to point out that some one wants to take from you to give to some one else.

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what is wrong with everyone paying the same income tax rate.

and that ad is class envy

Redress said:

I could say "the sky is blue" and it would sound like class envy to you.

The commerical pointed out that Romney may have paid a lower effective rate(debatable), and the newest study on his tax plans shows that the wealthy would pay even less, while the middle class would pay more. In other words, his tax plan it to help those like him who are rich while hurting the rest of the people. It is not class envy to point out that some one wants to take from you to give to some one else.

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You don't understand Redress. If the rich can keep more of their money then they'll something something something and then POOF! more jobs and money for the rest of us!

TurtleDude said:

what is wrong with everyone paying the same income tax rate.

and that ad is class envy

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I did not say it was wrong, I stated the point of the commercial and put in context what you references in your OP. By your definition of class envy, you have a major class envy problem with the poor.

Ikari said:

You don't understand Redress. If the rich can keep more of their money then they'll something something something and then POOF! more jobs and money for the rest of us!

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Well played!

Ikari said:

You don't understand Redress. If the rich can keep more of their money then they'll something something something and then POOF! more jobs and money for the rest of us!

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That is the danger in making a pragmatic argument against taxing the rich that republicans make and the moral argument they should make. The reason you allow the rich to keep more of their money is because it is their money, not that doing so will have some larger societal benefit.

Ikari said:

You don't understand Redress. If the rich can keep more of their money then they'll something something something and then POOF! more jobs and money for the rest of us!

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I guess you think that if the government takes more and more and more that will make things all peachy good

Fletch said:

That is the danger in making a pragmatic argument against taxing the rich that republicans make and the moral argument they should make. The reason you allow the rich to keep more of their money is because it is their money, not that doing so will have some larger societal benefit.

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you have to understand that lots of people believe that the government owns all wealth or that what we have is subordinate to what THEY Want

Redress said:

I did not say it was wrong, I stated the point of the commercial and put in context what you references in your OP. By your definition of class envy, you have a major class envy problem with the poor.

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wrong-the only people I bash are those who demand others pay more taxes so they themselves can have more stuff

poor people who do not think the government should take more wealth I have no problem with

I also loathe rich welfare socialists who want more taxes so they get more power

The strategy of the Obama campaign is to ruin Romneys reputation by portraying him as an evil businessman. The first stage of this process began when his campaign started the "the rich need to pay their fair share" message. Then when the general election season started you saw ads about Romneys time at Bain Capital. This started the outsourcing deal and has sparked new ads about a cancer victim and now they are on about his tax returns. All of this is an effort to paint Romney as an out of touch rich guy who is just a bad person.

The "you probably pay a higher tax" ad aims to further that by creating outrage that a rich guy would pay less in taxes than someone in the middle class who is struggling to pay for their bills. It is effective to people who are not willing to look past why Romney pays a lower tax rate than most Americans.

The truth is, Romney likely paid less than 15% over the last 10 years on his multi-million dollar income. This is because his income comes from investments. Capital gains. This income is not taxed at the standard rates. That is why Romney pays less taxes. Is this fair? Of course it is. Capital gains tax is suppose to encourage people to make investments, which create jobs.

TurtleDude said:

than Romney? Sounds like class envy is the main appeal. It sure has nothing to do with Romney's ability to lead or justifying Obama's failure to do the job.

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Sounds like a lie, since about half the people pay zero federal income tax.