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Reid may have told the truth, but there is a caveat

American said:
Why is the onus on Romney and not Reid?
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Because Reid has Romney on the ropes, and all Romney has to do is to release the returns, and it all goes away, if Romney is indeed being truthful. Yes, Reid is being an asshat, but right now, he is being a very successful asshat.
 
danarhea said:
The left is now pouring it on the Romney campaign, over his taxes, and claim they now know who Harry Reid's "deep throat" is.... John Huntsman Sr, according to New York magazine. However, although Reid may have told the truth about having an insider saying that Romney didn't pay taxes, he may still be wrong. And if his source was indeed John Huntsman Sr, it is a very dicey source at best, because, as it turns out, there is bad blood between Romney and Huntsman Sr.

Huntsman wanted his son, John Huntsman Jr, to head the Salt Lake Olympics, which led to a huge rift within the selection committee itself. The bad blood stems from the decision to elect Romney instead of Huntsman Jr.

So was Harry Reid telling the truth? Probably. Was Harry Reid being ethical? Hell no. Using a source that has a grudge against your target is generally not going to yield the truth, but will generally lend a perception of bias and hackery. Harry Reid has gone out on a limb in using Huntsman Sr to back his claim, and if he is not careful, this could blow up in his face in a big way. And, if Romney did indeed pay his taxes instead of using loopholes, this is probably exactly what he wants. As I said before, Romney didn't get to where he is now without some cold hard calculations, and Romney is someone who uses calculated logic in every move he plans.

So, is Reid about to rat**** the Democrats in 2012? There is one way to find out. Release your taxes, Mitt, and lets put all this speculation to an end.
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Still nothing conclusive . . . . .". . . . assuming his source is Huntsman . . .". If Huntsman Sr. is the leaker, he should pull his gonnies out of his socks and own up and spill all. JMO
 
If Hunstman Sr. is the one who provided the info then why'd he go to Harry Reid and not straight to the press with it? For that matter, why would anybody go to Reid with this instead of to the press? And if they were going to say something like this then surely they'd have proof, and I've yet to see anything.
 
Bobcat said:
If there was anything illegal in romney's taxes the IRS would have found it. people in that income bracket are audited every year.

does anyone have any information about an IRS case against Romney? if not, move on, this is a non-issue.
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You are totally wrong about that. The IRS does not audit people who have a high income. Just take a look at people after years of not paying taxes have finally been caught and owe tons of money to the IRS. I'll bet that Romney has never been audited. If he were it would have been big news since he was once a governor.
 
Carleen said:
You are totally wrong about that. The IRS does not audit people who have a high income. Just take a look at people after years of not paying taxes have finally been caught and owe tons of money to the IRS. I'll bet that Romney has never been audited. If he were it would have been big news since he was once a governor.
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I will put this on my list of completely idiotic claims.
 
Mitt Romneys 2010 tax return was 203 pages. I suspect he did little more than sign the return after an army of accountants and lawyers put it together. If he was able to pay little or no taxes for 10 years, then that is the fault of those who wrote the tax laws. Blame those who made the rules--politicians--not those who follow them.

Mitt Romney's 2010 tax return - The Washington Post
 
disneydude said:
Romney could make Reid look like a total ass if in fact Reid is wrong....the reality is Romney can't release his records because he knows that it would implode his campaign when the American people see his arrogance and failure to play by the same rules that 99% of Americans do.

There is a reason why Romney won't release his records.
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Ok, timeout. Time for some common sense to kick in.

Is there anyone that honestly believes that Tim-the-tax-cheat-Gietner hasn't already had a team of pencil necks go over Romney's tax returns with a fine tooth comb?

If there was anything illegal, it would have already been, "leaked".
 
Fletch said:
Mitt Romneys 2010 tax return was 203 pages. I suspect he did little more than sign the return after an army of accountants and lawyers put it together. If he was able to pay little or no taxes for 10 years, then that is the fault of those who wrote the tax laws. Blame those who made the rules--politicians--not those who follow them.

Mitt Romney's 2010 tax return - The Washington Post
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Don't hate the playa'...hate the game.
 
Carleen said:
You are totally wrong about that. The IRS does not audit people who have a high income. Just take a look at people after years of not paying taxes have finally been caught and owe tons of money to the IRS. I'll bet that Romney has never been audited. If he were it would have been big news since he was once a governor.
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That's a laugh! Corporations and rich folks are the first to get audited, because the chance of return is greater.
 
Fletch said:
Mitt Romneys 2010 tax return was 203 pages. I suspect he did little more than sign the return after an army of accountants and lawyers put it together. If he was able to pay little or no taxes for 10 years, then that is the fault of those who wrote the tax laws. Blame those who made the rules--politicians--not those who follow them.

Mitt Romney's 2010 tax return - The Washington Post
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Exactly right. Exactly!!

Here are the politicians deriding him for not paying enough taxes, givin' him an absolute blistering. Who made those regulations?? Who made those laws??

Paraphrasing a quote: "Politicians spend all their time making messes, and then run on a platform that says they're going to fix them."

And in this case? They aren't taking any blame at all. "That.Evil.Romney." Bunch of clowns they are.
 
Bronson said:
Obama said Romney killed some guy's wife

I don't care about tax returns, especially with 15% Real Unemployment
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Yeah, it appears that full disclosure is only important if you have an R behind your name.
 
disneydude said:
Take a look at Willard's "negative" numbers and how much they have grown during the last month. This will give you an indication.
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Nah...you look at his numbers.

The only numbers I'm interested in are the Electoral College results the day after the election.
 
disneydude said:
There is a HUGE difference....because McCain would not make them public. Could it be that McCain saw exactly what Romney doesn't want the American people to see and chose Palin?
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Nope. McCain has confirmed there was nothing that would have been damaging in those returns. He went with Palin because he figured he needed a Game Changer, and wanted a fellow "Reformer" on the ticket.
 
danarhea said:
Because Reid has Romney on the ropes, and all Romney has to do is to release the returns, and it all goes away, if Romney is indeed being truthful. Yes, Reid is being an asshat, but right now, he is being a very successful asshat.
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No. Reid looks like an ass-clown, and we spend the rest of the campaign listening to the Obama camp pull out and distort random details from Mitt Romney's records from 4-8 years ago.
 
danarhea said:
There is one way to find out. Release your taxes, Mitt, and lets put all this speculation to an end.
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Perhaps. Romney paid taxes. Reid is entirely wrong on his ten year claim. I can see him not paying taxes for 2008 and 2009 as he could have utilized serious capital losses to offset income.

But the other 8 years? Not possible. Even with a massive Son of Boss tax shelter, you can't hide that much taxable income without flagging an audit.

What Romney is afraid of releasing is likely the source of his income and his FBARs. Notice that his tax returns he released did not include FBARs. It's extremely likely he's got exotic accounts in strange places. That will not go well with the average American.
 
cpwill said:
No. Reid looks like an ass-clown, and we spend the rest of the campaign listening to the Obama camp pull out and distort random details from Mitt Romney's records from 4-8 years ago.
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That's because you are completely unable to view things outside of your egocentricism.

Dana's right. Reid puts Romney on the defensive here. The longer Romney refuses to release the more it looks like he's hiding something. And if Reid is wrong, he merely falls back on his "I don't know if this is true, but I heard..." stance and the fact that no one likes Harry Reid anyways. If Romney releases we get to see the stuff he's trying to hide and I guarantee you there's something big there or he would have released them by now. What is really appalling is that Romney knew he was going to run for President but never cleaned up his tax returns. There's really no excuse for that. Even major GOP figures are calling on Romney to release. That does not look good in a tight election.

Reid really has nothing to lose here. Very successful asshatery by Harry Reid.
 
obvious Child said:
That's because you are completely unable to view things outside of your egocentricism.

Dana's right. Reid puts Romney on the defensive here. The longer Romney refuses to release the more it looks like he's hiding something.
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Reading Comprehension Much? I was responding to a scenario wherein Romney released a full 10 years of returns.
 
cpwill said:
Reading Comprehension Much? I was responding to a scenario wherein Romney released a full 10 years of returns.
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Reading Comprehension much? I was responding to "Reid looks like an ass-clown."

Respond with less fail next time. I know it's hard, but try.
 
obvious Child said:
Reading Comprehension much? I was responding to "Reid looks like an ass-clown."

Respond with less fail next time. I know it's hard, but try.
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:lol: Yes. In the advent of Mitt Romney releasing his tax returns and Reid is proven incorrect, then Reid looks like an ass-clown. Do try to keep up with the rest of the class.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: Yes. In the advent of Mitt Romney releasing his tax returns and Reid is proven incorrect, then Reid looks like an ass-clown. Do try to keep up with the rest of the class.
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On the contrary, getting Mittens to release his returns and revealing what the Dems actually want to see will make him again look like a totally success asshat. Being wrong on the tax issue but hitting the jackpot is well worth the risk.

No one who actually understands this topic (hint: not you) knows that Romney paid taxes at some point in those ten years. What Mittens is trying to hide is the source of his income and his FBAR reports. If Reid gets Mittens to reveal that, the damage Mittens will take will be massive. But at the same time if Reid fails, he still puts huge doubt on what Mittens is hiding. How many Americans will vote for a President who looks like he's deliberately keeping relevant information from them in an attempt to prevent them from not voting for him?

Your complete inability to view things outside of your egocentric bubble is why you simply don't get it. Seriously, you have got to learn to step out of your own shoes and stop thinking everyone views the world exactly how you do.
 
obvious Child said:
On the contrary, getting Mittens to release his returns and revealing what the Dems actually want to see will make him again look like a totally success asshat. Being wrong on the tax issue but hitting the jackpot is well worth the risk.

No one who actually understands this topic (hint: not you) knows that Romney paid taxes at some point in those ten years. What Mittens is trying to hide is the source of his income and his FBAR reports. If Reid gets Mittens to reveal that, the damage Mittens will take will be massive. But at the same time if Reid fails, he still puts huge doubt on what Mittens is hiding. How many Americans will vote for a President who looks like he's deliberately keeping relevant information from them in an attempt to prevent them from not voting for him?

Your complete inability to view things outside of your egocentric bubble is why you simply don't get it. Seriously, you have got to learn to step out of your own shoes and stop thinking everyone views the world exactly how you do.
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:) Well I see you continue to rely upon your tactic of resorting to personal insults when your case is weak.


But no, letting the charge rise to a pitch and then revealing Harry Reid as having talked out his butthole does indeed make him look like an ass-clown. However, as I pointed out, the negative to that may indeed outweigh that happy result - we hear distortions, falsehoods, and baseless implications about them for the rest of the campaign. And Americans already know that Romney had overseas accounts; I'm not so sure that another confirmation of that will make the impact that you are thinking it will.
 
Cmon everyone this isnt rocket science...If releasing his financials would "HELP" romeny get elected he would have released them and used them in campaign ads from day one. The truth is and WE ALL KNOW ITS TRUE is that he has not paid anywhere near his fair share in taxs over the years he has used every snake in the grass means to avoid paying taxs every loophole every offshore acct and putting that in the face of America would prove what the democrats and 98% have been saying all along...THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS DO NOT NEED ANOTHER TAX CUT they need to pay their fair share that we need to close the loopholes that allow them to slither and its the MIDDLECLASS and beyond that needs the breaks.
People are sick and tired of reading CEO gets 100,000,000 bonus OH and the company is being investigated for stealing two billion....CEO gets big bonus and stock options and MultiMillion Buyout from FAILED GOVT BAILED OUT COMPANY.....were tired of it...its been all a lie fabricated by all the haves
 
lpast said:
The truth is and WE ALL KNOW ITS TRUE is that he has not paid anywhere near his fair share in taxs over the years
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His 'fair share' in taxes is exactly as much as the law requires him to pay...no more.

If the legal loopholes allow him to legally pay less - then he is paying his 'fair share' even if he takes advantage of those loopholes.


Sure, the tax laws allow the rich to pay a ton less in taxes on a % basis if they plan it right.

So?

Change the laws.

But to blame someone for (possibly) taking advantage of those laws is wrong.


If the left spent as much effort trying to change the offshore tax laws as they did whining about Romney not releasing his returns/info then the law would be well on it's way to being changed by now.

The left does little to change the law but goes ballistic if someone actually utilizes it.
 
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