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Bain Capital's Ties to Salvadoran Death Squads

PeteEU said:
Bain Capital's Ties to Salvadoran Death Squads | The Nation



Well well, how does Romney explain this one? Let me guess.. he as the only one on the planet, did not know there was a civil war in El Salvador and the right wing death squads were being funded by the rich El Salvadorian families, who also lived in Miami?

Guess building your life's work on the blood of 30+ thousand dead South American's is just the price of capitalism eh?
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Did you read the part that said "Some family members of the first Bain Capital investors were later linked to groups..."?

So, the information was not available until later... and it wasn't even the Bain investors, but some family members of the Bain investors....

Man, it's fun destroying someone's argument with their own sources.
 
sharon said:
They own the controling interest.
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The board consists of 13 people. Three of those people are employees of Bain Capital. (That's 23% of the voting body, FYI).

They own 20% of the stock in the company.

They do not have a "controlling interest".
 
Furiounova said:
It isn't that cut and dry:

A private equity consortium, including Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, Bain Capital and Merrill Lynch, acquired HCA in 2006, loading the company up with debt. HCA, in its filing, said it planned to use proceeds from its offering to pay off some of its debt.
What a difference 10 months have made for HCA Inc. and its private-equity owners, KKR & Co., Bain Capital LLC and Bank of America Corp.
Bain To IPO HCA At $30 Per Share Mega IPO, Sponsors To Make 2.5x On Deal - Business Insider
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None of it really matters because none of it happened while Romney was with Bain.
 
PeteEU said:
I see the right is in full panic mode and already started their disinformation campaign... must mean it is at least partially true.
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Panic mode? :mrgreen:

I put this story in the same league with "Romney killed my wife".

These kind of stories are like throwing horse manure at a wall hoping something is going to stick. Only the uninformed will buy into this type yellow journalism.

But keep em' coming, shows your talent for good stories. :2razz:
 
PeteEU said:
Bain Capital's Ties to Salvadoran Death Squads | The Nation



Well well, how does Romney explain this one? Let me guess.. he as the only one on the planet, did not know there was a civil war in El Salvador and the right wing death squads were being funded by the rich El Salvadorian families, who also lived in Miami?

Guess building your life's work on the blood of 30+ thousand dead South American's is just the price of capitalism eh?
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Is this the ties you are talking about?

The Times reporters found no direct evidence that the accused Salvadorans themselves “invested in Bain or benefited from it”—it was “family members” of Bain investors who were linked to the killings.
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:eek:
 
Mycroft said:
Is this the ties you are talking about?



:eek:
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Considering this oversight by the author of the OP it would appear it is HE (and his ilk) who is panicking...

...:lamo
 
PeteEU said:
Bain Capital's Ties to Salvadoran Death Squads | The Nation



Well well, how does Romney explain this one? Let me guess.. he as the only one on the planet, did not know there was a civil war in El Salvador and the right wing death squads were being funded by the rich El Salvadorian families, who also lived in Miami?

Guess building your life's work on the blood of 30+ thousand dead South American's is just the price of capitalism eh?
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Looks like you should change your lean to communist.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
WHo cares? THis thread is about vetting Romney. We need to get a clear meaning of what this man is all about. We saw the same process happen when Obama was runing in 2008.
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No one seemed this concerned about vetting Obama. Why is vetting a candidate so crucial all of a sudden?
 
Billy the Kid said:
Panic mode? :mrgreen:

I put this story in the same league with "Romney killed my wife".

These kind of stories are like throwing horse manure at a wall hoping something is going to stick. Only the uninformed will buy into this type yellow journalism.

But keep em' coming, shows your talent for good stories. :2razz:
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This story ranks up there with Newt Gingrich's death bed divorce. :rofl
 
apdst said:
No one seemed this concerned about vetting Obama. Why is vetting a candidate so crucial all of a sudden?
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There can be nothing more important than vetting a candidate for POTUS. Otherwise how do you know who you are voting for. DO you go out and buy a car simply based on how it looks in the showroom? Or do you do some research on it?
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Wrong...

Obama = President while the economy is tanking... no way to blame bush for Obama's recession... rising $16T debt, rising 8.3% unemployment, rising $3.50+/gal gasoline prices... GDP growth rate slowing to less than inflation, declining workforce participation rate, etc.

Romney = The guy who balanced his budget all 4 years, and even created a $2B rainy day fund... Increased job growth and decreased unemployment throughout his entire term as governor... and created several key pieces of legislation like Melanie's Law, the Healthcare Law, etc. without having to have shady one-sided backroom deal solutions...

Time for a change... a real change, not the false one Obama promised...

This thread = Yet another one of the useless distractions that someone is trying to take attention from the real problems we face as a nation...
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My point is that durning the 2008 election we were told that guilt by accosiation was a bad thing.

Remember Ayers and Resco and his reverend? Even though they were Obamas friends, he could not be held responsible for what they did or thought, so no guilt by association.

Now we have this ad which "ties" Romney to these death squads simply by an association to his investors.

His investors were not involved in the death squads directly nor are they responsible for what their family members do and none of that would be a factor in an investment anyway, nor should it.

Why was it bad where Obama was concerned but completely valid where Romney is concerned, and keep in mind that Obama had hands on associations with those people whereas Romney never met these people.
 
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PeteEU said:
Guess building your life's work on the blood of 30+ thousand dead South American's is just the price of capitalism eh?
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Bush/Cheneys fortunes rest on the death of 2 million Iraqis, Bill Clinton starved 1.5 million more with sanctions , and now Obama/Hillary armed the Free Syrian Army to kill thousands there.

When did a good bloodbath ever deter any of our current and former "Presidential" demagogues?:(
 
PeteEU said:
Bain Capital's Ties to Salvadoran Death Squads | The Nation



Well well, how does Romney explain this one? Let me guess.. he as the only one on the planet, did not know there was a civil war in El Salvador and the right wing death squads were being funded by the rich El Salvadorian families, who also lived in Miami?

Guess building your life's work on the blood of 30+ thousand dead South American's is just the price of capitalism eh?
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Because sure as **** they disclosed that on their investment forms when they placed capital into Bain. Lame, lying crap is lame, lying and crap.

Pete how does it feel to be at the basement of credibility with a backhoe, blasting caps and a jackhammer so the only way you can go is further down?
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
There can be nothing more important than vetting a candidate for POTUS. Otherwise how do you know who you are voting for. DO you go out and buy a car simply based on how it looks in the showroom? Or do you do some research on it?
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I'm voting for Romney because I know he has more experience than President Obama did when he took office. And I live in a swing state where my vote counts.


If you like Obama, then it's your vote to cast as you please. But IMO, after 4 years of on the job training, Obama still doesn't have a clue.
 
Glideslope said:
Haven't Democrats' learned by now that attacking venture capital is a flawed and failed proposition? Haven't Democrats learned by now that the electorate has NOT been swayed by anti-Bain attack ads?
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Sure it has. When you have a whole bunch of GOP voters blaming Obama for their job losses--something that, in a capitalist system, is entirely the fault of the job seekers--it proves that the Republican common-folk are actually socialists.
 
Billy the Kid said:
I'm voting for Romney because I know he has more experience than President Obama did when he took office. And I live in a swing state where my vote counts.


If you like Obama, then it's your vote to cast as you please. But IMO, after 4 years of on the job training, Obama still doesn't have a clue.
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More experience doesnt mean squat when all that his experience shows is that he is a flip floper with no spine and a liberal in Republican's clothing. We cannot afford to have another scheming, liar in the white house. Just cant!
 
solletica said:
Sure it has. When you have a whole bunch of GOP voters blaming Obama for their job losses--something that, in a capitalist system, is entirely the fault of the job seekers--it proves that the Republican common-folk are actually socialists.
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That whole rant kind of neglects that fact that government policy can and regularly does affect the economy and jobs.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because sure as **** they disclosed that on their investment forms when they placed capital into Bain. Lame, lying crap is lame, lying and crap.

Pete how does it feel to be at the basement of credibility with a backhoe, blasting caps and a jackhammer so the only way you can go is further down?
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What we are reading on here is conspiracy fatigue, we cant be protestors, media guardians, and psychoanalysts as well ... the primary flaw with Grim's Rush Limbaugh standard of journalism or links to PrisonPlanet, using Webster Tarpley for example. be more discerning with your topics, lest we all arrive at the Mountains of Madness.

And yet someone starts a thread outlining corporate news peddling of govmnt lies and propaganda, something documented in hundreds of library books the world over, you should avoid blogging threads on a serious public news analysis site about your personal conspiracy theory.

Just as one would not say over the broadcast airwaves a personal suspicion when covering news, that you might on a message board because you can't prove it with a source, because that theory is not particularly conducive to any point or reporting.

Plus, we get into that whole Dave Emory "Julian Assange is the product of Brainwasing Cult" horsh** or George Noory of "Coast to Coast" - 'Obama is the AntiChrist' insanity, you slide into Alex Jones type irresponsible claims.

i.e. -

Spitfire List | FTR #724 Wiki of the Damned
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
More experience doesnt mean squat when all that his experience shows is that he is a flip floper with no spine and a liberal in Republican's clothing. We cannot afford to have another scheming, liar in the white house. Just cant!
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ah. and so you think that either

A) Obama is less of a scheming liar than Romney
or
B) A third party candidate who is less of a scheming liar than Romney or Obama is a plausible option.


Yeah, I'm going to go with

C) you are an imposter getting paid by the Obama campaign to come in here with this crap. Or, you are dumb enough to think you will change anyones' mind, and you are doing this for free.
 
cpwill said:
ah. and so you think that either

A) Obama is less of a scheming liar than Romney
or
B) A third party candidate who is less of a scheming liar than Romney or Obama is a plausible option.


Yeah, I'm going to go with

C) you are an imposter getting paid by the Obama campaign to come in here with this crap. Or, you are dumb enough to think you will change anyones' mind, and you are doing this for free.
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The POE side of the force is strong with him Master Yoda

Seduced by the moon battery he has been Obi Wan
 
tessaesque said:
That whole rant kind of neglects that fact that government policy can and regularly does affect the economy and jobs.
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I know.....just look at the policies in place prior to 2007!
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I know.....just look at the policies in place prior to 2007!
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or hell, look at them in 2008. we had a President who ran with the foolish notion that you can stimulate a flagging economy by propping up demand through large federal spending.
 
CONSagainROMNEY said:
More experience doesnt mean squat when all that his experience shows is that he is a flip floper with no spine and a liberal in Republican's clothing. We cannot afford to have another scheming, liar in the white house. Just cant!
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As I said, you can vote for a anyone you wish, it's your vote.

I will at the very least attempt to stop the run-a-way train, presently occupying the WH, and not throw the country under this train because I am not happy with the current pick on the conservative side of the picture. I am more worried about the economy, deficiet, unemployment and debt, than my own "I didn't get what I wanted" whine.
 
cpwill said:
or hell, look at them in 2008. we had a President who ran with the foolish notion that you can stimulate a flagging economy by propping up demand through large federal spending.
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Worked for Hitler. Not to mention post war France and the UK. China avoided a hard landing with massive stimulus. The Russian Defense industry is growing by leaps and bounds with renewed spending via the Kremlin. Our own Defense industries went massive under Bush and help turn around the 2001 recession. Reagan's massive defense spending propped up the economy. Norwegian spending to develop what is now Statoil lead to huge economic growth. Same can be said for Petrobas as well as the large ethanol industries within Brazil.

I can keep throwing out examples. You are wrong. It's just when you're going to get around to admitting that to yourself.

What you should have said if you had any real grasp of economics (See, notice how I first destroy you with examples and THEN[ mock your intelligence), is the foolish notion that you can lead an economy suffering from a financial recession and liquidity collapse into major growth with large federal spending.

Not what you actually said, which as my examples point out, is wrong as you normally are.
 
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