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Mitt Romney Ad Criticizes Obama For Welfare Policy Romney Supported As Governor

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Mitt Romney's presidential campaign released a television ad Tuesday bashing President Barack Obama for implementing a welfare policy that Romney supported when he was governor of Massachusetts.
[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]"In 1996, President Clinton and a bipartisan Congress helped end welfare as we know it," the ad's voiceover says. "But on July 12th, President Obama quietly announced a plan to gut welfare reform by dropping work requirements."[/FONT]

Romney's ad doesn't mention that Republican states sought the waiver policy. In a release defending its waiver request from conservative backlash last month, the office of Utah Gov. Richard Herbert (R) said, "Utah's request for a waiver stems from a desire for increased customization of the program to maximize employment among Utah’s welfare recipients."
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[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]Read more and the ad @: [/FONT]Mitt Romney Ad Criticizes Obama For Welfare Policy Romney Supported As Governor

[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]Ok first off Romney is a complete ****ing moron. He keeps on going back and forth back and forth back and forth on so many issues it is ridiculous, and this welfare reform that happened a while ago is just one of many examples. All Obama has to do in the debates is run with this flip flop issue and bam i think he gots him. Thats why i keep on stating "just wait till the debates". We all saw Romney debate not wo long ago and lets be honest it wasnt to spectacular. Romney is running ****ing ridiculous flat out lie ads, not even half truths in them, just flat out lies. (But oh wait its not Romeny its the unknown SUPER PAC). [/FONT]
 
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Romney has a solution to this problem:

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What actually makes this all hilarious is that what Obama did was give states more latitude in how they administer welfare. So Obama is a big government liberal for increasing states rights. Gotta give Romney credit, he is at least not even maintaining any illusion he is trying to run an honest campaign.
 
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[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]Read more and the ad @: [/FONT]Mitt Romney Ad Criticizes Obama For Welfare Policy Romney Supported As Governor

[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]Ok first off Romney is a complete ****ing moron. He keeps on going back and forth back and forth back and forth on so many issues it is ridiculous, and this welfare reform that happened a while ago is just one of many examples. All Obama has to do in the debates is run with this flip flop issue and bam i think he gots him. Thats why i keep on stating "just wait till the debates". We all saw Romney debate not wo long ago and lets be honest it wasnt to spectacular. Romney is running ****ing ridiculous flat out lie ads, not even half truths in them, just flat out lies. (But oh wait its not Romeny its the unknown SUPER PAC). [/FONT]
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I hope this does come up in a debate. GOP Headline:

BIG GOVERNMENT TAKES ANOTHER BITE OUT OF STATES RIGHTS Obama allows states to make their own decisions regarding welfare distributionse
 
Republican governors ask Obama for flexibility on welfare + Obama gives them flexibility = Romney claims Obama fundamentally changes welfare to help the lazy poor.

Republicans in Ohio take away early voting rights for everyone except active military members + Obama sues, arguing that the law hurts the voting rights of ordinary citizens and veterans of foreign wars = Romney claims Obama is trying to take away the rights of military voters.

Do we all see the equation here? Republicans do something + Obama reacts in some way = Romney claims Obama is awful for doing what the Republicans are actually doing.

This isn't bending the truth, or even just downright lying, it is Romney lying and not giving a **** if the country knows it or not. If it will rile up the right-wing base he doesn't care if any and every rational person can see what he is saying is objectively false. This is beyond despicable, it is downright scary. Every politician lies but few are so arrogant as to not even care if they get caught. The whole of the media from left to right has no excuse in not making these actions a huge embarrassment for Romney. If the media is sending the message that they will let him get away with blatant lies now what makes us think he will even try to be confined to reality as a president. What sort of lies will he tell when he has the office of the presidency to give his word credibility in the public?
 
E-M said:
Republican governors ask Obama for flexibility on welfare + Obama gives them flexibility = Romney claims Obama fundamentally changes welfare to help the lazy poor.

Republicans in Ohio take away early voting rights for everyone except active military members + Obama sues, arguing that the law hurts the voting rights of ordinary citizens and veterans of foreign wars = Romney claims Obama is trying to take away the rights of military voters.

Do we all see the equation here? Republicans do something + Obama reacts in some way = Romney claims Obama is awful for doing what the Republicans are actually doing.

This isn't bending the truth, or even just downright lying, it is Romney lying and not giving a **** if the country knows it or not. If it will rile up the right-wing base he doesn't care if any and every rational person can see what he is saying is objectively false. This is beyond despicable, it is downright scary. Every politician lies but few are so arrogant as to not even care if they get caught. The whole of the media from left to right has no excuse in not making these actions a huge embarrassment for Romney. If the media is sending the message that they will let him get away with blatant lies now what makes us think he will even try to be confined to reality as a president. What sort of lies will he tell when he has the office of the presidency to give his word credibility in the public?
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Thank you! I was beginning to think it was just me. Romney is pathological and his supporters flat-out don't seem to care. I wasn't a fan of Bush or McCain, but at least those guys had enough class not to immediately spin every loony slur that Limbaugh and Hannity spout into campaign commercials. Romney is absolutely shameless and he clearly thinks that we are all idiots.
 
Maybe you should use sources that aren't democrat propagandists.

Anyone with an IQ over 10 just might take you seriously, then. No promises.
 
Romney's statements by ruling
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True24 (16%)(24)
Mostly True21 (14%)(21)
Half True43 (28%)(43)
Mostly False23 (15%)(23)
False27 (18%)(27)
Pants on Fire14 (9%)

Obama's statements by ruling
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True90 (23%)(90)
Mostly True91 (23%)(91)
Half True98 (25%)(98)
Mostly False47 (12%)(47)
False58 (15%)(58)
Pants on Fire 6 (2%)

Don't be too impressed by either of these politicians. Truth is not sacred to them.
 
vendur said:
Maybe you should use sources that aren't democrat propagandists.

Anyone with an IQ over 10 just might take you seriously, then. No promises.
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You mean like the actual document: TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03
As specified in statute, the purpose of Part A is to increase the flexibility of states in operating a program designed to: (1) provide assistance to needy families so that children may be cared for in their own homes or in the homes of relatives; (2) end the dependence of needy parents on government benefits by promoting job preparation, work, and marriage; (3) prevent and reduce the incidence of out-of-wedlock pregnancies and establish annual numerical goals for preventing and reducing the incidence of these pregnancies; and (4) encourage the formation and maintenance of two-parent families.
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Or the documents of Utah and Nevada asking for such a program: Utah Administrative Flexibility Letter , http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/NevadaFlexibilityLetter8-2-11.pdf

Or how about the document signed by Romney calling for such a change: http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf

It is amazing what a person can find with google, if they actually want facts...
 
Apparently the Romney campaign stated that the 2005 proposal was in fact to allow both more flexibility in regards to implementation a strengthening of the work requirements..

But Romney's campaign team said the 2005 letter was a comment on a Senate reauthorization of the welfare program that was pending at the time, and would have increased work requirements from 50 percent participation to 70 percent and would have given states increased flexibility in administering the welfare law.
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Coincidentally though, the HHS secretary claims that the presidents proposal follows that precise formula:
The health department's decision has generated strong opposition from many Republicans. In the House, 76 Republicans complained in a letter to Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who sought to assure them that states will have to move at least 20 percent more people from welfare to work.
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Romney opens attack on Obama over welfare law | Reuters
 
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Redress said:
You mean like the actual document: TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03


Or the documents of Utah and Nevada asking for such a program: Utah Administrative Flexibility Letter , http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/NevadaFlexibilityLetter8-2-11.pdf

Or how about the document signed by Romney calling for such a change: http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf

It is amazing what a person can find with google, if they actually want facts...
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OMg a random document with no context. And you probably haven't even read any of it, least of all with any comprehension.
 
vendur said:
OMg a random document with no context. And you probably haven't even read any of it, least of all with any comprehension.
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I have actually, you might want to do so.
 
Redress said:
I have actually, you might want to do so.
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So where did romney specifically indicate that he wanted to remove the requirement for work/training in welfare reform?
 
vendur said:
So where did romney specifically indicate that he wanted to remove the requirement for work/training in welfare reform?
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You can show me where the memo does this?
 
vendur said:
So where did romney specifically indicate that he wanted to remove the requirement for work/training in welfare reform?
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Try to follow the conversation. Neither Romney nor Obama has suggested that the work requirement should be dropped. That was a lie that Romney told. Both Romney and Obama advocated for state waivers that allow the states more flexibility in implementing the work requirement.
 
AdamT said:
Thank you! I was beginning to think it was just me. Romney is pathological and his supporters flat-out don't seem to care. I wasn't a fan of Bush or McCain, but at least those guys had enough class not to immediately spin every loony slur that Limbaugh and Hannity spout into campaign commercials. Romney is absolutely shameless and he clearly thinks that we are all idiots.
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And I might add, Obama is the worst of them all.
 
Joe51 said:
I hope this does come up in a debate. GOP Headline:

BIG GOVERNMENT TAKES ANOTHER BITE OUT OF STATES RIGHTS Obama allows states to make their own decisions regarding welfare distributionse
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Really? So, let's get this straight. Republicans are arguing that the federal government intrudes on their rights too much, but when the President signs an executive order granting STATES more flexibility on how they can manage TANF suddenly that's defined as "big government takes another bite out of state's rights"? :doh
 
AdamT said:
Try to follow the conversation. Neither Romney nor Obama has suggested that the work requirement should be dropped. That was a lie that Romney told. Both Romney and Obama advocated for state waivers that allow the states more flexibility in implementing the work requirement.
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Let me ask you as you seem to have some knowledge of this issue. I understand as the act was written and signed into law by Clinton. That the welfare reform act required participants to work and attend job training, not sure if the act required work or job training. Now as I understand it Obama is giving a waver to the state to be able to drop the work requirement of the existing law. Is this correct.

Is it also correct that under the waver can the states now classify what they believe is work, as I understand it under the current law "work" is already defined. Is this correct?
 
Born Free said:
Let me ask you as you seem to have some knowledge of this issue. I understand as the act was written and signed into law by Clinton. That the welfare reform act required participants to work and attend job training, not sure if the act required work or job training. Now as I understand it Obama is giving a waver to the state to be able to drop the work requirement of the existing law. Is this correct.

Is it also correct that under the waver can the states now classify what they believe is work, as I understand it under the current law "work" is already defined. Is this correct?
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That is not correct. The change gives states more flexibility to work with people on those requirements, but the requirements still exist.
 
Born Free said:
Now as I understand it Obama is giving a waver to the state to be able to drop the work requirement of the existing law. Is this correct.
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No, that is incorrect. Under the order states can apply for a waiver which would allow them more flexibility in designing their own welfare to work programs. In the waiver request the states are required to explain the changes they would like to make and provide for benchmarks so the programs can be checked periodically to make sure they are effective. Simply dropping the work requirement is not an option.
 
Redress said:
You mean like .... the document signed by Romney calling for such a change: http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf

It is amazing what a person can find with google, if they actually want facts...
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Putting forward specifics from the May 19, 2005 signed by members of the Republican Governor's Association ofwhich Mitt Romney was a member and contains his signature as Governor of Massachaucette:

In 2002, President Bush outlined a plan for reauthorizing the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) that would increase independence and strengthen families. The President outlined an agenda to advance the historical work led by Republicans in passing the 1996 welfare reform law, and to build on that success. Those key principles included:

(bullet #3) Empowering states to seek new and innovative solution to help welfare recipients achieve independence.

... we believe it is critical for Congress to complete work on this five-year reauthorization.

This effort is far too important to leave to the limitation of a reconciliation process.

... TANF is the critical link to every significant state program that stabalizes children and families - providing hope and a future.
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Now for the coup degrass...

State flexibility - The Senate bill provides states with the flexibility to manage their TANF programs and effectively serve low-income populations. Increased waiver authority, allowable work activities, availablity of partial work credit and the ability to coordinate state programs are all important aspects of moving recipients from welfare to work.
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You can't make this stuff up, folks!

You can read the memo in its entirety as from the link provided in Redress' quote above. Enjoy your bite of hypocricy from your flip-flopping, GOP presidential nominee! :lol:
 
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E-M said:
Republican governors ask Obama for flexibility on welfare + Obama gives them flexibility = Romney claims Obama fundamentally changes welfare to help the lazy poor.

Republicans in Ohio take away early voting rights for everyone except active military members + Obama sues, arguing that the law hurts the voting rights of ordinary citizens and veterans of foreign wars = Romney claims Obama is trying to take away the rights of military voters.

Do we all see the equation here? Republicans do something + Obama reacts in some way = Romney claims Obama is awful for doing what the Republicans are actually doing.

This isn't bending the truth, or even just downright lying, it is Romney lying and not giving a **** if the country knows it or not. If it will rile up the right-wing base he doesn't care if any and every rational person can see what he is saying is objectively false. This is beyond despicable, it is downright scary. Every politician lies but few are so arrogant as to not even care if they get caught. The whole of the media from left to right has no excuse in not making these actions a huge embarrassment for Romney. If the media is sending the message that they will let him get away with blatant lies now what makes us think he will even try to be confined to reality as a president. What sort of lies will he tell when he has the office of the presidency to give his word credibility in the public?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pay very close attention to what Mitt Romney says. He's very good at sounding as if he's being authentic and authoritative when in fact he's being very misleading. You have to filter out the white noise of politics to get through the deception and get to the truth.
 
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