Mitt Romney's Path to 270 Electoral Votes - An October Surprise Trap for Democrats?

Remember the birther movement? Remember how Obama kept his mouth shut, and then, when enough Republicans were sucked into saying that Obama needed to show his birth certificate, he then showed it and made them look silly?

Enter Mitt Romney. Today, Nancy Pelosi joined Harry Reid in putting the pressure on Mitt Romney to show his tax Returns, and more Democrats are piling on every day. And the only thing Romney has to do to end it all is produce the returns, and the whole flap goes away. By not releasing his returns, he is getting hammered, and today, Rasmussen has Obama ahead for the first time in a Rasmussen poll, while other pollsters are beginning to show a bigger lead for Obama. Romney is on the ropes, and may soon be toast........ Or is he?

Mitt Romney is not dumb. He made a career out of playing percentages, and made millions doing it. What better way to push the percentages in this election so far in his favor that Obama is handily beaten than to keep taking the hits, as more Democrats pile on him. Then, in October, as the Democratic vitriol comes to a crescendo, he simply produces his tax returns, and those returns show nothing out of the ordinary. If this happens, the Democrats will look just as silly as the birthers who attacked Obama, some of who attacked him right on the floor of Congress.

If this particular scenario plays out, then it's lights out for Barack Obama, and lights out for Democratic control of the Senate. In this scenario, the GOP will have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. They will also have the Supreme Court, as it will be more Conservatives replacing Liberals on the bench.

Maybe Mitt Romney read Obama's political play book, and liked a couple of the plays he saw in there so much that he is running those plays himself. Of course, this is just sheer speculation, but why would Mitt Romney commit political suicide? I don't think he would or that he is. He has something up his sleeve over the tax return issue, and I bet that there is a fair to middling chance that I have nailed what it is.

Or maybe I am just ****ing crazy. LOL.

Discussion?

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danarhea said:

Remember the birther movement? Remember how Obama kept his mouth shut, and then, when enough Republicans were sucked into saying that Obama needed to show his birth certificate, he then showed it and made them look silly?

Enter Mitt Romney. Today, Nancy Pelosi joined Harry Reid in putting the pressure on Mitt Romney to show his tax Returns, and more Democrats are piling on every day. And the only thing Romney has to do to end it all is produce the returns, and the whole flap goes away. By not releasing his returns, he is getting hammered, and today, Rasmussen has Obama ahead for the first time in a Rasmussen poll, while other pollsters are beginning to show a bigger lead for Obama. Romney is on the ropes, and may soon be toast........ Or is he?

Mitt Romney is not dumb. He made a career out of playing percentages, and made millions doing it. What better way to push the percentages in this election so far in his favor that Obama is handily beaten than to keep taking the hits, as more Democrats pile on him. Then, in October, as the Democratic vitriol comes to a crescendo, he simply produces his tax returns, and those returns show nothing out of the ordinary. If this happens, the Democrats will look just as silly as the birthers who attacked Obama, some of who attacked him right on the floor of Congress.

If this particular scenario plays out, then it's lights out for Barack Obama, and lights out for Democratic control of the Senate. In this scenario, the GOP will have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. They will also have the Supreme Court, as it will be more Conservatives replacing Liberals on the bench.

Maybe Mitt Romney read Obama's political play book, and liked a couple of the plays he saw in there so much that he is running those plays himself. Of course, this is just sheer speculation, but why would Mitt Romney commit political suicide? I don't think he would or that he is. He has something up his sleeve over the tax return issue, and I bet that there is a fair to middling chance that I have nailed what it is.

Or maybe I am just ****ing crazy. LOL.

Discussion?

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The GOP will take the house, Senate, and Presidency because Romney's tax returns happen to show nothing particularly interesting or meaningful? I doubt it, its not like people are going to suddenly vote in droves for Republicans because Romney has a dull tax record and as we remember from the Birther conspiracy theory, it didn't go away when Obama released his birth certificate it just made birthers that much crazier.

It would be crazy to gamble your Presidental race on something as silly as calls from your opponents to release your tax returns, and if you managed to make your opponents look silly for a moment its not going to cause the voters to hand the government over to your party. Again, birthers are pretty damn silly but since Obama has been President the Republicans have been been coming back despite any birther silliness.

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Burden of proof is on the affirmative. This isn't like the birther situation where place of birth is a requirement to run for Presidency.

The people pressuring Romney should be sued for harassment and barred from government for life.

Colbert should also have his broadcast credentials revoked for joking around about him being a serial killer.

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Daktoria said:

Burden of proof is on the affirmative. This isn't like the birther situation where place of birth is a requirement to run for Presidency.

The people pressuring Romney should be sued for harassment and barred from government for life.

Colbert should also have his broadcast credentials revoked for joking around about him being a serial killer.

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Not a fan of the First Amendment, eh?

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danarhea said:

Remember the birther movement? Remember how Obama kept his mouth shut, and then, when enough Republicans were sucked into saying that Obama needed to show his birth certificate, he then showed it and made them look silly? [...]

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Mmm, no. They already looked silly. When he released it, they simply claimed it was fake. Donald Trump is still claiming it is fake. Rep. Steve King (R-IA 05) claimed, just a few days ago, that the Obama birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers could have been sent via telegram from Kenya.

The left is simply yanking Romney's chain on the tax return issue, hoping to score political points. The birthers, and a not insignificant number of others on the right (read: Tea Party), are simply bat **** crazy.

As to your October surprise theory, that may be a little late in the game for something that is not really all that earth shattering. Furthermore, all the returns have to show is that he has a long term history of paying 14% or less in federal income taxes and the Democrats can probably use that successfully against him (since most in the middle class at least think they pay more than that, and when FICA is included they most likely do).

They can further argue he is still trying to hide something by releasing them 'at the last minute'. No, Romney is going to have to weather this storm long term, it seems.

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AdamT said:

Not a fan of the First Amendment, eh?

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My freedom of speech does not overarch your freedom of assembly.

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Tax records and Birth Certificate.
I think that is a bit of a stretch..

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danarhea said:

Remember the birther movement? Remember how Obama kept his mouth shut, and then, when enough Republicans were sucked into saying that Obama needed to show his birth certificate, he then showed it and made them look silly?

Enter Mitt Romney. Today, Nancy Pelosi joined Harry Reid in putting the pressure on Mitt Romney to show his tax Returns, and more Democrats are piling on every day. And the only thing Romney has to do to end it all is produce the returns, and the whole flap goes away. By not releasing his returns, he is getting hammered, and today, Rasmussen has Obama ahead for the first time in a Rasmussen poll, while other pollsters are beginning to show a bigger lead for Obama. Romney is on the ropes, and may soon be toast........ Or is he?

Mitt Romney is not dumb. He made a career out of playing percentages, and made millions doing it. What better way to push the percentages in this election so far in his favor that Obama is handily beaten than to keep taking the hits, as more Democrats pile on him. Then, in October, as the Democratic vitriol comes to a crescendo, he simply produces his tax returns, and those returns show nothing out of the ordinary. If this happens, the Democrats will look just as silly as the birthers who attacked Obama, some of who attacked him right on the floor of Congress.

If this particular scenario plays out, then it's lights out for Barack Obama, and lights out for Democratic control of the Senate. In this scenario, the GOP will have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. They will also have the Supreme Court, as it will be more Conservatives replacing Liberals on the bench.

Maybe Mitt Romney read Obama's political play book, and liked a couple of the plays he saw in there so much that he is running those plays himself. Of course, this is just sheer speculation, but why would Mitt Romney commit political suicide? I don't think he would or that he is. He has something up his sleeve over the tax return issue, and I bet that there is a fair to middling chance that I have nailed what it is.

Or maybe I am just ****ing crazy. LOL.

Discussion?

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Your whole theory comes down to one thing... that Romney does not have anything to hide and that the Obama team does not have more ammo to fire at Romney.

And you are forgetting the hatred of the Tea Party candidates/reps in some areas plus the gerrymandering of the GOP of districts... and if they can do it.. gerrymandering of state allocation of electoral votes. For example on the latter, if the GOP in Pennsylvania manage to change the system from winner take all to allocation based on districts, then you suddenly have Obama going from a sure win to a loss despite getting most votes.

There is a lot of things that can happen, and there is no doubt that the whole tax issue is a dangerous thing for Romney. If he is playing the game you think, then it is a dangerous game since people tend to remember the negative and forget the positive. So even if he comes clean and there is no dirt, then people will remember the negative and he will have to use a ton of money to try to fix that. It is no different than the falsehood of Saddam being behind 9/11 view that is still running rampant among certain areas of the US right wing.

And then there is the Obama factor. Like it or not Romney did not get to where he is in the business world, without making enemies and doing dodgy deals. We still have not heard much about his legal problems with his voter registration and that still is a problem, and we have not really dug into the Salt Lake Olympics. Bain links are also not over yet, as we today find out that Romney's Bain screwed over Italy and other countries. Wont be too fun to have a President that is persona non grata in the EU because of tax issues in Italy.

Point is, a lot of things are still to come, and so far Romney and his campaign is on the defensive, something that is not good for an "underdog" candidate. He is also not appealing to the middle and continues to court the right and far right with his comments and views. That will NOT win him the election... he has to gain ground in the middle.

And remember, Obama is suppose to be the "most hated and worst President" ever according to the GOP, and yet even the conservative polling has him ahead or even with Romney. Romney should be far ahead almost everywhere and he is struggling to keep up.

This race is far far far from over and Romney has a lot of catching up and damage control.

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Wiseone said:

The GOP will take the house, Senate, and Presidency because Romney's tax returns happen to show nothing particularly interesting or meaningful? I doubt it, its not like people are going to suddenly vote in droves for Republicans because Romney has a dull tax record and as we remember from the Birther conspiracy theory, it didn't go away when Obama released his birth certificate it just made birthers that much crazier.

It would be crazy to gamble your Presidental race on something as silly as calls from your opponents to release your tax returns, and if you managed to make your opponents look silly for a moment its not going to cause the voters to hand the government over to your party. Again, birthers are pretty damn silly but since Obama has been President the Republicans have been been coming back despite any birther silliness.

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I think the issue here is it was easier for people to look up birth supporting birth registration information on Hawaii residents (and by extension, President Obama) once the President's short-form Certificate of Live Birth was released, but not so much when looking for a person's federal tax returns. Moreover, once certain stories about President Obama's birth began to circulate and much of it was deemed reasonable if not fully confirmed once the long-form was finally released, most folks saw this as a settled issue and anyone rehashing the matter were considered quacks!

Are Sen. Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi setting themselves up as quacks? Time will tell...

But like the birthers and members of the GOP were all insisting that all President Obama had to do was release his long-firm birth record to settle the birther issue, the same can be said of Mitt Romney on release years of his federal tax returns. I doubt he'll do that, though, because IMO it's very likely he has something there he does not wish to have to explain to the public.

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PeteEU said:

Point is, a lot of things are still to come, and so far Romney and his campaign is on the defensive, something that is not good for an "underdog" candidate. He is also not appealing to the middle and continues to court the right and far right with his comments and views. That will NOT win him the election... he has to gain ground in the middle.

And remember, Obama is suppose to be the "most hated and worst President" ever according to the GOP, and yet even the conservative polling has him ahead or even with Romney. Romney should be far ahead almost everywhere and he is struggling to keep up.

This race is far far far from over and Romney has a lot of catching up and damage control.

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The portions in bold are spot on!

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Karl said:

Mmm, no. They already looked silly. When he released it, they simply claimed it was fake. Donald Trump is still claiming it is fake. Rep. Steve King (R-IA 05) claimed, just a few days ago, that the Obama birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers could have been sent via telegram from Kenya.

The left is simply yanking Romney's chain on the tax return issue, hoping to score political points. The birthers, and a not insignificant number of others on the right (read: Tea Party), are simply bat **** crazy.

As to your October surprise theory, that may be a little late in the game for something that is not really all that earth shattering. Furthermore, all the [Romeny federal tax] returns have to show is that he has a long term history of paying 14% or less in federal income taxes and the Democrats can probably use that successfully against him (since most in the middle class at least think they pay more than that, and when FICA is included they most likely do).

They can further argue he is still trying to hide something by releasing them 'at the last minute'. No, Romney is going to have to weather this storm long term, it seems.

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Per the portion in bold, I've made this very same argument. It really won't matter if Romney's tax returns are legit. As I've said before, people have to pay very close attention to what Mitt Romney says. In the case of his federal tax filings, he has continuously said "he has paid what the government said he should pay and not a dime more" meaning, "I claimed every tax exemption I could and paid out alot of money in taxes, but my rate (on capital gains) was still lower than middle-class Americans." Romney could never win over the middle-class vote if it is proven that historically he paid a lower tax rate than most Americans AND he used off-shore tax shelters to help reduce his rates still further.

He can't win on such a record...if proven to be true.

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danarhea said:

If this particular scenario plays out, then it's lights out for Barack Obama, and lights out for Democratic control of the Senate. In this scenario, the GOP will have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. They will also have the Supreme Court, as it will be more Conservatives replacing Liberals on the bench.

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I don't think that is the case here danarhea. I think there is something in those tax records that could seriously be used against Romney. I don't think there is anything illegal that has been done, however, my guess is that there is something that the Dems could use.

Reid is also not a dumb guy and I don't see him putting his neck out there for nothing. I personally think Reid is lying about Romney not paying taxes, but I think there is something in those records that could serisouly harm ROmney's campaign.

My guess is Reid is done with politics after his current term and this is a way for him to call out Romney and force him politically to release those records and then when shown there is nothing illegal done, Reid can bow out.

I think Romney has more to lose by releasing those tax records politically, than he does by refusing to release them.

IMHO, Romney has every right to not release his records. He has met the requirements set for discolsure and anything more is just providing fodder for the other side. It's sad that politics has come to this and it's not just one side doing this it's all sides.

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danarhea said:

Remember the birther movement? Remember how Obama kept his mouth shut, and then, when enough Republicans were sucked into saying that Obama needed to show his birth certificate, he then showed it and made them look silly?

Enter Mitt Romney. Today, Nancy Pelosi joined Harry Reid in putting the pressure on Mitt Romney to show his tax Returns, and more Democrats are piling on every day. And the only thing Romney has to do to end it all is produce the returns, and the whole flap goes away. By not releasing his returns, he is getting hammered, and today, Rasmussen has Obama ahead for the first time in a Rasmussen poll, while other pollsters are beginning to show a bigger lead for Obama. Romney is on the ropes, and may soon be toast........ Or is he?

Mitt Romney is not dumb. He made a career out of playing percentages, and made millions doing it. What better way to push the percentages in this election so far in his favor that Obama is handily beaten than to keep taking the hits, as more Democrats pile on him. Then, in October, as the Democratic vitriol comes to a crescendo, he simply produces his tax returns, and those returns show nothing out of the ordinary. If this happens, the Democrats will look just as silly as the birthers who attacked Obama, some of who attacked him right on the floor of Congress.

If this particular scenario plays out, then it's lights out for Barack Obama, and lights out for Democratic control of the Senate. In this scenario, the GOP will have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. They will also have the Supreme Court, as it will be more Conservatives replacing Liberals on the bench.

Maybe Mitt Romney read Obama's political play book, and liked a couple of the plays he saw in there so much that he is running those plays himself. Of course, this is just sheer speculation, but why would Mitt Romney commit political suicide? I don't think he would or that he is. He has something up his sleeve over the tax return issue, and I bet that there is a fair to middling chance that I have nailed what it is.

Or maybe I am just ****ing crazy. LOL.

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I don't believe that we will find that Romney paid no taxes like Red is saying. What I am almost sure of is more foreign bank accounts and very low tax rates. Even if he releases them, just the idea of this guy having off shore accounts is incredibly infuriating to most working class people. My whole family and all my co-workers (nearly all conservatives) were pissy about Romneys tax rate and off shore accounts. I don't know if he wants to bring that up so close to election time. That's just my two cents.

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Anyone happen to catch the latest unemployment figures? How about the GDP rate? Hows that national debt thing going? Blood still flowing pretty freely in the streets? Whats going on in Afghanistan?

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VanceMack said:

Anyone happen to catch the latest unemployment figures? How about the GDP rate? Hows that national debt thing going? Blood still flowing pretty freely in the streets? Whats going on in Afghanistan?

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It must be very hard for you to only focus on a very small amount of things at the same time, the rest of us can multi-task. I'm sure with practice, you can too.

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TheNextEra said:

It must be very hard for you to only focus on a very small amount of things at the same time, the rest of us can multi-task. I'm sure with practice, you can too.

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First off...dont be silly. Multi-tasking is a myth. You can do 10 things poorly all at the same time by devoting snippets of your brain function to each individually, but you cant 'multi-task'. Second, what gets more discussion and time...the actual concerns facing the country or Martin/Zimmerman, Romneys taxes, Romney answering a question about the Olympics, Obamas birth certificate, school records, and the number of times he has been golfing? But I get it. I totally understand why you want to talk about anything and everything but the state and direction of the Country.

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vancemack said:

anyone happen to catch the latest unemployment figures? How about the gdp rate? Hows that national debt thing going? Blood still flowing pretty freely in the streets? Whats going on in afghanistan?

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NONE OF THAT IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW! what's important is whether or not we can convince enough Americans that Romney is bad because he's rich! :roll: geez, stick with the program...

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VanceMack said:

Second, what gets more discussion and time...the actual concerns facing the country or Martin/Zimmerman, Romneys taxes, Romney answering a question about the Olympics, Obamas birth certificate, school records, and the number of times he has been golfing? But I get it. I totally understand why you want to talk about anything and everything but the state and direction of the Country.

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We've talked about the state of the union in OTHER threads. Look, if you don't want to participate in a thread, that's your choice.

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cpwill said:

NONE OF THAT IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW! what's important is whether or not we can convince enough Americans that Romney is bad because he's rich! :roll: geez, stick with the program...

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I thought it was more important to worry about flag burning and SSM consitutional bans or Obama's birth certificate and college records? Can you please make up your minds?

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TheNextEra said:

We've talked about the state of the union in OTHER threads. Look, if you don't want to participate in a thread, that's your choice.

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I want the nation to focus on ISSUES and not the Jerry Springer show. You know...the **** thats actually RELEVANT and will impact future generations. But hey...as long as you continue to insist on this, then we should continue to have the government that we have and you and your kids should continue to be ****ed. And that...hell...we cant even blame that on the politicians now...can we?

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VanceMack said:

I want the nation to focus on ISSUES and not the Jerry Springer show. You know...the **** thats actually RELEVANT and will impact future generations. But hey...as long as you continue to insist on this, then we should continue to have the government that we have and you and your kids should continue to be ****ed. And that...hell...we cant even blame that on the politicians now...can we?

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Well who are you voting for then that doesn't participate in any dirty politics?

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PeteEU said:

And then there is the Obama factor. Like it or not Romney did not get to where he is in the business world, without making enemies and doing dodgy deals. We still have not heard much about his legal problems with his voter registration and that still is a problem, and we have not really dug into the Salt Lake Olympics. Bain links are also not over yet, as we today find out that Romney's Bain screwed over Italy and other countries. Wont be too fun to have a President that is persona non grata in the EU because of tax issues in Italy.

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Sorry but this is a lot of BS. Romney is so clean he squeaks. He was a governor, I have not heard anyone jumping up and down about some misdeeds that Romney committed. He was the head of a successful business, same thing, who is jumping up and down about all of the shady deals or the people he screwed. The running of the Olympias, again where have all these pissed off people been, again nothing. Romney was a candidate in 08 where was all the beef about all the stuff he pulled on screwing people. Now in 2012 all the Dems and their seek and destroy mission of uncovering privately held documents has failed. Obama tried the Bain thing and it failed, so now he is on the tax issue, and Obama has his hit men like Reid making a fool of himself on the senate floor. All the while you never hear a word from Obama of any accomplishment he has done. Because he has none, he is a failure. The only and I mean only accomplishment was getting OBL, and he tried using that one issue to pump himself up, and it backfired as he was using the military for political gain. Then Obama tried the White House leak thing and it backfired.

Point is, a lot of things are still to come, and so far Romney and his campaign is on the defensive, something that is not good for an "underdog" candidate. He is also not appealing to the middle and continues to court the right and far right with his comments and views. That will NOT win him the election... he has to gain ground in the middle.

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No, a lot of things are not out there. If they were it would have come out years ago. Further the destroy team of Obama would have dug it up already.

Romney is not appealing to the middle, and Obama is, with over 8% unemployment for 42 months, in the black community it's 14%, GDP of 1.5%, and adding close to 6 Trillion to our national debt in just 4 yrs. More poor under Obama than any president before him and he is for the middle. I don't think so.

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that last point is the key there. just as the strongest piece of evidence against the birthers was the Clinton's Oppo Research machine, Mitt Romney has been running for President for 6 years. But now Harry Reid has sleuthed around and uncovered wrongdoing??? :roll:

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VanceMack said:

Anyone happen to catch the latest unemployment figures? How about the GDP rate? Hows that national debt thing going? Blood still flowing pretty freely in the streets? Whats going on in Afghanistan?

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I said it before and I'll say it again. Obama is playing chess, Romney is playing checkers. Obama has and continues to define Romney, forcing him to fight off the backfoot. You can't win if you allow your opponent to dictate when and where the combat starts and ends. Romney's only offense has been "are you better now than you were four years ago?", but he doesn't have anything more to say after that. We've seen his plan and it's the same as Bush, Bush II and Reagan... all of which increased the deficit and debt while increasing income inequality. That path has gotten America nowhere fast.

What's Romney increasing the military for? Who are we fighting with now or does he plan on creating a war to feed this increased military? We're tired of war, we just got out of one and are winding down another. We don't need an even larger military cause Obama got the guy we were looking for and has done serious damage to Al Queda. It's just a giveaway to the military industrial complex. More of Romney's friends.

I'm sorry, but you're boy isn't showing anything that'll keep him up as the battle rages on. His tax policy sucks terribly and he has no other plans outside of cutting the parts of government that benefit the vast majority of Americans. Obama has defined his business experience for him and for good measure backslapped him with this tax attack. Romney's gonna need a game changer in a Vice President... and he'll end up picking someone to the right of himself, pushing away even more moderates.

As a liberal, I'm looking forward to the debates. I see Obama chewing Romney up and spitting him out. Flipping Mitt has too many holes.

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cpwill said:

NONE OF THAT IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW! what's important is whether or not we can convince enough Americans that Romney is bad because he's rich! :roll: geez, stick with the program...

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Obama is rich........