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The Word Is Out on Harry Reid [W:98]

Re: The Word Is Out on Harry Reid

TheNextEra said:
Seems it was ok for most of the right when the right was wanting to talk about the birth certificate over the economy.

The simple fact is both sides are focusing more on attacking their opponent than running on their own platforms.
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Its not OK...which is why I responded to the OP. This whole ****ing country has turned into one big Jerry Springer episode 24/7. We should be so proud.
 
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Bobcat said:
Someone from Nevada told me that Harry Reid is a closet child molester. But I will not disclose my source. Same thing, different words.
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Correct. Hearsay evidence.
 
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cpwill said:
Not just "a Senator", at that. The head of a House of Congress, a Co-Equal Branch of Government, the third most powerful man in Washington.
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Wouldn't John boner be the 3rd most powerful after obama and biden?
 
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Kandahar said:
Sure, ethics has nothing to do with legality.



Definitely. But that does not absolve people of the responsibility to behave ethically. Just because you can legally get away with something doesn't make it ethical.



Well then Romney should release the returns, and let the voters decide whether its contents are a non-issue.
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OK, one more time. Try to read this slowly and think about it.

If Romney released those hundreds of pages of returns, the media and the obama campaign would go through them with a fine toothed comb and find some little thing to make up lies about. Then romney would have to spend all of his time refuting those lies and not talking about obama's failures and his plans to fix the economy.
And that is exactly why the dems are pursuing the tax thing---------its obvious, and you are blind if you cannot see it.
 
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Bobcat said:
If Romney released those hundreds of pages of returns, the media and the obama campaign would go through them with a fine toothed comb and find some little thing to make up lies about.
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I'm sure they would do exactly that. But if it actually was just "some little thing to make up lies about," it wouldn't get much traction and the story would fade away. Other candidates (including other super-rich candidates like John Kerry) have released their tax records, and although there have been occasional tax problems that have dogged these candidates, they have mostly been minor issues.

Then romney would have to spend all of his time refuting those lies and not talking about obama's failures and his plans to fix the economy.
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It seems to me that he's doing that anyway. He is responding to allegations from Harry Reid, after all. If he released his tax returns, he could at least shape the narrative...if the facts are indeed on his side. And assuming that there was nothing major in the tax returns, then there might be a few small stories about his taxes but he'd mostly put the issue to rest for the remainder of the campaign.

The fact that he hasn't done this makes me suspect that the revelations are NOT so minor.
 
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Kandahar said:
What are you hoping to learn that you think would be so damaging? That Obama got a D in freshman-year geology? I can't think of anything in a candidate's college transcript that might disqualify him from the presidency (unless he lied about graduating or something like that). On the other hand, I can think of plenty of things in a candidate's recent tax returns that could, at the very least, show them to be grossly unethical.
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All you on the left sure prove how the IRS is yet another failed arm of the government. You have absolutely no confidence in it's ability to review a tax return.
 
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Born Free said:
All you on the left sure prove how the IRS is yet another failed arm of the government. You have absolutely no confidence in it's ability to review a tax return.
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I am not sure if you relaize this, but the word unethical does not mean the same thing as the word illegal.
 
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Sarcogito said:
I'll attack it and I despise Romney as much as any other liberal. Reid is accusing Romney of something without a shred of evidence. That is just plain wrong. Here is a trick I recommend doing. Switch the (R) and the (D) of the individuals involved in any political hubbub and if your stance on the issue changes you are being partisan for partisanship's sake.
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Trump has already done exactly the same thing as Reid. I would have more synpathy for Romney's situation if he was able to stand up to Trump and repudiate his ridiculous claims that are ALSO without a "shred of evidence".....but he hasn't. Reid simply called Romney's bluff and kudos to him.
 
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Born Free said:
All you on the left sure prove how the IRS is yet another failed arm of the government. You have absolutely no confidence in it's ability to review a tax return.
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What do you mean? The IRS only looks for illegal behavior, not unethical behavior. That's the job of voters.
 
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Redress said:
I am not sure if you relaize this, but the word unethical does not mean the same thing as the word illegal.
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If Romney had done anything illegal, the IRS would have been all over it. Guys like him are audited every year. Unless you have some evidence of an IRS action against Romney, this is a non issue.

you can keep trying to make something of it, but Romney is smart not to release more than two years.
 
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Kandahar said:
What do you mean? The IRS only looks for illegal behavior, not unethical behavior. That's the job of voters.
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and exactly how would compliance with the tax code be unethical?
 
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Bobcat said:
If Romney had done anything illegal, the IRS would have been all over it. Guys like him are audited every year. Unless you have some evidence of an IRS action against Romney, this is a non issue.

you can keep trying to make something of it, but Romney is smart not to release more than two years.
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Maybe but so far he hasn't even released all of one year's returns.
 
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Bobcat said:
If Romney had done anything illegal, the IRS would have been all over it. Guys like him are audited every year. Unless you have some evidence of an IRS action against Romney, this is a non issue.

you can keep trying to make something of it, but Romney is smart not to release more than two years.
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So even you know that there is damaging info in those returns, even more damaging than the claim that he hasn't paid taxes for 10 years. There must be some sleazy trickery in those returns, that reveals Romney true colors.
 
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LOL demanding that Reid release his sources while refusing to release the tax forms of your presidential candidate which would themselves prove whether Reid is lying or not... Suuuure, that'll go over well...

This is a total victory for Reid and a total loss for Romney.
 
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iguanaman said:
So even you know that there is damaging info in those returns, even more damaging than the claim that he hasn't paid taxes for 10 years. There must be some sleazy trickery in those returns, that reveals Romney true colors.
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go back and read the thread, you need to catch up if you are going to post
 
Re: The Word Is Out on Harry Reid

Bobcat said:
If Romney had done anything illegal, the IRS would have been all over it. Guys like him are audited every year. Unless you have some evidence of an IRS action against Romney, this is a non issue.

you can keep trying to make something of it, but Romney is smart not to release more than two years.
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Actually they are not audited every year. ANd you too seem unaware that there is a difference between unethical and illegal.
 
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Kandahar said:
I'm sure they would do exactly that. But if it actually was just "some little thing to make up lies about," it wouldn't get much traction and the story would fade away. Other candidates (including other super-rich candidates like John Kerry) have released their tax records, and although there have been occasional tax problems that have dogged these candidates, they have mostly been minor issues.
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Speaking of John Kerry,

BOSTON (AP) -- Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry is docking his family's new $7 million yacht in neighboring Rhode Island, allowing him to avoid paying roughly $500,000 in taxes to the cash-strapped Bay State.

If the "Isabel" were kept at the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee's summer vacation home on Nantucket, or in Boston Harbor near his city residence, he would be liable for $437,500 in one-time sales tax. He would also have to pay $70,000 in annual excise taxes.
John Kerry Saves $500,000 By Docking 76-Foot Luxury Yacht Out Of State

The Dems would not make up a little lie, they make up big lies, a lie is a lie, you can bet your last dollar it will be big lie and not just one lie, there will be many lies.

It seems to me that he's doing that anyway. He is responding to allegations from Harry Reid, after all. If he released his tax returns, he could at least shape the narrative...if the facts are indeed on his side. And assuming that there was nothing major in the tax returns, then there might be a few small stories about his taxes but he'd mostly put the issue to rest for the remainder of the campaign.
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You mean felonious allegations by Reid, made on the senate floor. He's a lying scumbag.

The fact that he hasn't done this makes me suspect that the revelations are NOT so minor.
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I said before, minor or not the Dem's will lie and lie and lie and make it huge.
 
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Bobcat said:
and exactly how would compliance with the tax code be unethical?
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I don't know. Things like how he got over $100 million in his IRA when there is a $30,000 cap on annual contributions for one.
 
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Bobcat said:
and exactly how would compliance with the tax code be unethical?
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Lots of things that are legal can be unethical. Or does your view on ethics change depending upon the law?
 
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Ill tell you what will happen if Romney releases his taxes.

Democrats will pick it apart piece by piece and if he leaves any small portion out, it will get released via the IRS through anonymous souorces. Its also foolish to believe that dems dont have his full tax returns via the IRS already.

This is almost text book witch hunt. No matter which way Romney goes with this, the dems will go after it because they do not want to run on their record----not saying they dont have one but its weak enough that they do not want to run on it.
 
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Born Free said:
Speaking of John Kerry,

BOSTON (AP) -- Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry is docking his family's new $7 million yacht in neighboring Rhode Island, allowing him to avoid paying roughly $500,000 in taxes to the cash-strapped Bay State.

If the "Isabel" were kept at the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee's summer vacation home on Nantucket, or in Boston Harbor near his city residence, he would be liable for $437,500 in one-time sales tax. He would also have to pay $70,000 in annual excise taxes.
John Kerry Saves $500,000 By Docking 76-Foot Luxury Yacht Out Of State

The Dems would not make up a little lie, they make up big lies, a lie is a lie, you can bet your last dollar it will be big lie and not just one lie, there will be many lies.



You mean felonious allegations by Reid, made on the senate floor. He's a lying scumbag.



I said before, minor or not the Dem's will lie and lie and lie and make it huge.
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OK, clearly you want to foam at the mouth instead of responding to my points. So I think I'm done talking to you. :2wave:
 
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Kandahar said:
Lots of things that are legal can be unethical. Or does your view on ethics change depending upon the law?
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Yes. Because ethics do tend to be shaped by current law. Ethics tend to focus on avoidance of activities that can be seen as "wrong"---its foolish to think the law would not affect that.
 
Re: The Word Is Out on Harry Reid

Kandahar said:
OK, clearly you want to foam at the mouth instead of responding to my points. So I think I'm done talking to you. :2wave:
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Was what Kerry did unethical? Cmon. You know it is. Both sides are dirty ethically. Anyways, the law seems rather stupid so, yeah, get rid of it?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Ill tell you what will happen if Romney releases his taxes.

Democrats will pick it apart piece by piece and if he leaves any small portion out, it will get released via the IRS through anonymous souorces. Its also foolish to believe that dems dont have his full tax returns via the IRS already.

This is almost text book witch hunt. No matter which way Romney goes with this, the dems will go after it because they do not want to run on their record----not saying they dont have one but its weak enough that they do not want to run on it.
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Nonsense. Romney could put the whole thing to rest and get an advantage if he released the returns. It is obvious that the Dems do know that he won't, so they might have some info that we don't that makes them so sure.
The worst thing for Romney is that he didn't see this coming. What does that show abut him?
 
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