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Obama lets terror group into the Whitehouse? how will the play in the election?

johnny_rebson said:
Not all diplomacy.



Cowboy diplomacy is good.
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Howd that diplomacy work in Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan?
I think you tend to forget that "cowboy diplomacy" costs actual human lives.
 
poweRob said:
Is it our policy to never talk to opposition? If it is, how the hell does one fix such a relation?
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He's not the only new member of the Egyptian parliment. There are plenty more who could have been invited in the his place. And we talk with terrorists the way we've always talked with "the opposition" - through diplomatic channels. NOT with invitations to the White House. That we reserve for allies and, hopefully, future allies.

And Saddam wasn't our "buddy". At first it looked like he could soften some socially and become an ally, but really he was someone we supported because he kept Iran (who really hated us right then) at bay. He did not get an invite to the WH.
 
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Because the U.S. has such a great track record of deciding which individuals or organizations are terrorists. According to the government this guy was also a terrorist: mandelax.jpg

Do you see that? That is a terrorist waving to the hand of evil itself.

U.S. has Mandela on terrorist list - USATODAY.com
 
Why was Mandela on the list? Because we have diplomatic relations with SA and they put him on the list. However, also from the article:

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., called ANC members' inclusion on watch lists a "bureaucratic snafu" and pledged to fix the problem.
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This article was posted 4/30/2008 - is he still on the list?
 
Clowboy, this was also from the article:

The requirement applies to former South African leader Mandela and other members of South Africa's governing African National Congress (ANC), the once-banned anti-Apartheid organization. In the 1970s and '80s, the ANC was officially designated a terrorist group by the country's ruling white minority. Other countries, including the United States, followed suit.
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I don't think the ANC has been officially designated as a terrorist organization for a while. It was an error that he was still on the list as late as he was.

The thing is that sometimes groups end up being called terrorist organizations by the U.S. not because they are terrorists, but because it is politically convenient to say they are terrorists. I don't know whether that is true in this case or not. What I do know is that simply being called a terrorist by the U.S. government doesn't actually make you a terrorist, or even part of a bad organization.
 
and is now a recognized Islamist political party

One day they're the enemy. Then they're BFF. That's how all this international diplomacy goes. It may be distasteful but it is what it is. Egypt has DEMOCRATICALLY voted in the Muslim Brotherhood. We can only hope they will be rational. We have to try.

If you look at history, you'll see many examples of this. Look at examples like Saddam and Noriega. One day we're giving them a BBBJ ands the next day we're bombing them. World politics. Sheesh©.

It is Obusha's job to try and communicate with them. It would be a shame to see Egypt destabilized. They've been pretty rational about Israel and I hope it stays that way.
 
johnny_rebson said:
So now you agree that Saddam had WMD?
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Damn. I didn't think it was necessary for me to have to put j/k after what I thought was an obvious joke.
 
specklebang said:
and is now a recognized Islamist political party

One day they're the enemy. Then they're BFF. That's how all this international diplomacy goes. It may be distasteful but it is what it is. Egypt has DEMOCRATICALLY voted in the Muslim Brotherhood. We can only hope they will be rational. We have to try.

If you look at history, you'll see many examples of this. Look at examples like Saddam and Noriega. One day we're giving them a BBBJ ands the next day we're bombing them. World politics. Sheesh©.

It is Obusha's job to try and communicate with them. It would be a shame to see Egypt destabilized. They've been pretty rational about Israel and I hope it stays that way.
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When someone reaches the world stage like that whether or not you like them, you pretty much have to deal with them. Ignoring doesn't work so well. Take North Korea for example.

On a side note, I'm predicting that NK is going to come out of the dark... soon and fast. Not because of ignoring though, but because Kim Jong Il is dead, the new guy fired a really big-wig military guy who I think he had to fear when he took over because of the potential military coup. These are all just speculation but I'm thinking that it is coming to pass. You heard it here first.
 
poweRob said:
Damn. I didn't think it was necessary for me to have to put j/k after what I thought was an obvious joke.
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he had them... they went to Syria he had months and months to it.. another Baathist regime
 
Travis007 said:
he had them... they went to Syria he had months and months to it.. another Baathist regime
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I would ask for proof of that but.... You know.. It wont come.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I would ask for proof of that but.... You know.. It wont come.
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How many months did kofi annen and el beredai give Saddam ... again how many months.. how porous is the border between Syria and Iraq?...are both Baathist regimes.?.. how did Saddam launder oil during "oil for food"...? did Israel document the truck caravans? did they present this to the UN.. ?

David Kay Says Some WMD Went to Syria
Posted by Ryan Mauro On January - 24 - 2004David Kay, the head of the Iraq Survey Group in charge of finding Iraq’s WMD stockpiles, has told The Sunday Telegraph that some WMD went to Syria before the war began.

“We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons,” Kay said. “But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam’s WMD programs,.”

“Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved,” Kay said.

It’d be interesting to know why Kay believes the shipment to Syria wasn’t a “large stockpile” if we do not know “precisely what went to Syria.”
http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=111

Ha’aretz has revived the mystery surrounding the inability to find weapons of mass destruction stockpiles in Iraq, the most commonly cited justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom and one of the most embarrassing episodes for the United States. Satellite photos of a suspicious site in Syria are providing new support for the reporting of a Syrian journalist who briefly rocked the world with his reporting that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria just before the invasion commenced.

The newspaper reveals that a 200 square-kilometer area in northwestern Syria has been photographed by satellites at the request of a Western intelligence agency at least 16 times, the most recent being taken in January. The site is near Masyaf, and it has at least five installations and hidden paths leading underneath the mountains. This supports the reporting of Nizar Nayouf, an award-winning Syrian journalist who said in 2004 that his sources confirmed that Saddam Hussein’s WMDs were in Syria.

One of the three specific sites he mentioned was an underground base underneath Al-Baida, which is one kilometer south of Masyaf. This is a perfect match. The suspicious features in the photos and the fact that a Western intelligence agency is so interested in the site support Nayouf’s reporting, showing that his sources in Syria did indeed have access to specific information about secret activity that is likely WMD-related. Richard Radcliffe, one of my co-writers at WorldThreats.com, noticed that Masyaf is located on a road that goes from Hamah, where there is an airfield sufficient to handle relatively large aircraft, into Lebanon and the western side of the Bekaa Valley, another location said to house Iraqi weapons.

AdvertisementIt seems to be commonly accepted that Iraq did not have WMDs at all. The intelligence was obviously flawed, but the book has not been closed on what actually happened. The media blasted the headline that Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Survey Group tasked with finding out if Saddam had WMDs, concluded that a transfer did not occur. In reality, his report said they were “unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war” due to the poor security situation.

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http://pjmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/
 
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Travis007 said:
who has the largest supply of WMDS in the mid east and just said they would use them?...
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They produce their own... They have several facilities were they produced them at.
If you have any proof or sources that Iraq gave them their WMDS then now would be a time to post that.
 
Travis007 said:
How many months did kofi annen and el beredai give Saddam ... again how many months.. how porous is the border between Syria and Iraq?...are both Baathist regimes.?.. how did Saddam launder oil during "oil for food"...? did Israel document the truck caravans? did they present this to the UN.. ?
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Please provide i source with the connection, then we can take your statements serious.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Please provide i source with the connection, then we can take your statements serious.
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Ha’aretz has revived the mystery surrounding the inability to find weapons of mass destruction stockpiles in Iraq, the most commonly cited justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom and one of the most embarrassing episodes for the United States. Satellite photos of a suspicious site in Syria are providing new support for the reporting of a Syrian journalist who briefly rocked the world with his reporting that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria just before the invasion commenced.

The newspaper reveals that a 200 square-kilometer area in northwestern Syria has been photographed by satellites at the request of a Western intelligence agency at least 16 times, the most recent being taken in January. The site is near Masyaf, and it has at least five installations and hidden paths leading underneath the mountains. This supports the reporting of Nizar Nayouf, an award-winning Syrian journalist who said in 2004 that his sources confirmed that Saddam Hussein’s WMDs were in Syria.

One of the three specific sites he mentioned was an underground base underneath Al-Baida, which is one kilometer south of Masyaf. This is a perfect match. The suspicious features in the photos and the fact that a Western intelligence agency is so interested in the site support Nayouf’s reporting, showing that his sources in Syria did indeed have access to specific information about secret activity that is likely WMD-related. Richard Radcliffe, one of my co-writers at WorldThreats.com, noticed that Masyaf is located on a road that goes from Hamah, where there is an airfield sufficient to handle relatively large aircraft, into Lebanon and the western side of the Bekaa Valley, another location said to house Iraqi weapons.

AdvertisementIt seems to be commonly accepted that Iraq did not have WMDs at all. The intelligence was obviously flawed, but the book has not been closed on what actually happened. The media blasted the headline that Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Survey Group tasked with finding out if Saddam had WMDs, concluded that a transfer did not occur. In reality, his report said they were “unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war” due to the poor security situation.

Although no conclusion was made, Duelfer has since said that he is “convinced” that no WMD went to Syria. He is a competent and credible individual, but there is evidence that key information on this possibility was not received by the Iraq Survey Group, which had many of its own problems.

On February 24, 2009, I went to see a talk Duelfer gave at the Free Library of Philadelphia to promote his book. He admitted there were some “loose ends” regarding the possibility that Iraqi WMD went to Syria, but dismissed them. Among these “loose ends,” Duelfer said, was the inability to track down the Iraqis who worked for a company connected to Uday Hussein that sources said had driven “sensitive” material into Syria. A Pentagon document reveals that an Iraqi dissident reported that 50 trucks crossed the border on March 10, 2003, and that his sources in Syria confirmed they carried WMD. These trucks have been talked about frequently and remain a mystery.

During the question-and-answer period and during a follow-up interview, Duelfer made several interesting statements to me that reinforced my confidence that such a transfer occurred, although we can not be sure of the extent of it.

General Georges Sada, the former second-in-command of the Iraqi Air Force, claimed in his 2006 book that he knew two Iraqi pilots that flew WMD into Syria over the summer of 2002, which came before a later shipment on the ground. I asked Duelfer if Nizar Nayouf or the two Iraqi pilots were spoken with
PJ Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Please provide i source with the connection, then we can take your statements serious.
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again your lack of understanding or education on oil for food or the ramp up to the legal invasion of Iraq is not my job..or that both are baathist regimes..and if you think the immense border between Syria dn Iraq is "secured" I have a bridge to sell ya,..

now back to the subject.. Obama and his disgusting inviting of terrorists to the White House
 
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Travis007 said:
Ha’aretz has revived the mystery surrounding the inability to find weapons of mass destruction stockpiles in Iraq, the most commonly cited justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom and one of the most embarrassing episodes for the United States. Satellite photos of a suspicious site in Syria are providing new support for the reporting of a Syrian journalist who briefly rocked the world with his reporting that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria just before the invasion commenced.

The newspaper reveals that a 200 square-kilometer area in northwestern Syria has been photographed by satellites at the request of a Western intelligence agency at least 16 times, the most recent being taken in January. The site is near Masyaf, and it has at least five installations and hidden paths leading underneath the mountains. This supports the reporting of Nizar Nayouf, an award-winning Syrian journalist who said in 2004 that his sources confirmed that Saddam Hussein’s WMDs were in Syria.

One of the three specific sites he mentioned was an underground base underneath Al-Baida, which is one kilometer south of Masyaf. This is a perfect match. The suspicious features in the photos and the fact that a Western intelligence agency is so interested in the site support Nayouf’s reporting, showing that his sources in Syria did indeed have access to specific information about secret activity that is likely WMD-related. Richard Radcliffe, one of my co-writers at WorldThreats.com, noticed that Masyaf is located on a road that goes from Hamah, where there is an airfield sufficient to handle relatively large aircraft, into Lebanon and the western side of the Bekaa Valley, another location said to house Iraqi weapons.

AdvertisementIt seems to be commonly accepted that Iraq did not have WMDs at all. The intelligence was obviously flawed, but the book has not been closed on what actually happened. The media blasted the headline that Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Survey Group tasked with finding out if Saddam had WMDs, concluded that a transfer did not occur. In reality, his report said they were “unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war” due to the poor security situation.

Although no conclusion was made, Duelfer has since said that he is “convinced” that no WMD went to Syria. He is a competent and credible individual, but there is evidence that key information on this possibility was not received by the Iraq Survey Group, which had many of its own problems.

On February 24, 2009, I went to see a talk Duelfer gave at the Free Library of Philadelphia to promote his book. He admitted there were some “loose ends” regarding the possibility that Iraqi WMD went to Syria, but dismissed them. Among these “loose ends,” Duelfer said, was the inability to track down the Iraqis who worked for a company connected to Uday Hussein that sources said had driven “sensitive” material into Syria. A Pentagon document reveals that an Iraqi dissident reported that 50 trucks crossed the border on March 10, 2003, and that his sources in Syria confirmed they carried WMD. These trucks have been talked about frequently and remain a mystery.

During the question-and-answer period and during a follow-up interview, Duelfer made several interesting statements to me that reinforced my confidence that such a transfer occurred, although we can not be sure of the extent of it.

General Georges Sada, the former second-in-command of the Iraqi Air Force, claimed in his 2006 book that he knew two Iraqi pilots that flew WMD into Syria over the summer of 2002, which came before a later shipment on the ground. I asked Duelfer if Nizar Nayouf or the two Iraqi pilots were spoken with
PJ Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria
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:yawn:
All have already been debunked

"But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never "a piece," said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere." No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims - CBS News
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:yawn:
All have already been debunked

"But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never "a piece," said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere." No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims - CBS News
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I see your problem, you're using the wrong news source.

If you want fair and balanced news, watch Fox.
 
Travis007 said:
Ha’aretz has revived the mystery surrounding the inability to find weapons of mass destruction stockpiles in Iraq, the most commonly cited justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom and one of the most embarrassing episodes for the United States. Satellite photos of a suspicious site in Syria are providing new support for the reporting of a Syrian journalist who briefly rocked the world with his reporting that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria just before the invasion commenced.

The newspaper reveals that a 200 square-kilometer area in northwestern Syria has been photographed by satellites at the request of a Western intelligence agency at least 16 times, the most recent being taken in January. The site is near Masyaf, and it has at least five installations and hidden paths leading underneath the mountains. This supports the reporting of Nizar Nayouf, an award-winning Syrian journalist who said in 2004 that his sources confirmed that Saddam Hussein’s WMDs were in Syria.

One of the three specific sites he mentioned was an underground base underneath Al-Baida, which is one kilometer south of Masyaf. This is a perfect match. The suspicious features in the photos and the fact that a Western intelligence agency is so interested in the site support Nayouf’s reporting, showing that his sources in Syria did indeed have access to specific information about secret activity that is likely WMD-related. Richard Radcliffe, one of my co-writers at WorldThreats.com, noticed that Masyaf is located on a road that goes from Hamah, where there is an airfield sufficient to handle relatively large aircraft, into Lebanon and the western side of the Bekaa Valley, another location said to house Iraqi weapons.

AdvertisementIt seems to be commonly accepted that Iraq did not have WMDs at all. The intelligence was obviously flawed, but the book has not been closed on what actually happened. The media blasted the headline that Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Survey Group tasked with finding out if Saddam had WMDs, concluded that a transfer did not occur. In reality, his report said they were “unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war” due to the poor security situation.

Although no conclusion was made, Duelfer has since said that he is “convinced” that no WMD went to Syria. He is a competent and credible individual, but there is evidence that key information on this possibility was not received by the Iraq Survey Group, which had many of its own problems.

On February 24, 2009, I went to see a talk Duelfer gave at the Free Library of Philadelphia to promote his book. He admitted there were some “loose ends” regarding the possibility that Iraqi WMD went to Syria, but dismissed them. Among these “loose ends,” Duelfer said, was the inability to track down the Iraqis who worked for a company connected to Uday Hussein that sources said had driven “sensitive” material into Syria. A Pentagon document reveals that an Iraqi dissident reported that 50 trucks crossed the border on March 10, 2003, and that his sources in Syria confirmed they carried WMD. These trucks have been talked about frequently and remain a mystery.

During the question-and-answer period and during a follow-up interview, Duelfer made several interesting statements to me that reinforced my confidence that such a transfer occurred, although we can not be sure of the extent of it.

General Georges Sada, the former second-in-command of the Iraqi Air Force, claimed in his 2006 book that he knew two Iraqi pilots that flew WMD into Syria over the summer of 2002, which came before a later shipment on the ground. I asked Duelfer if Nizar Nayouf or the two Iraqi pilots were spoken with
PJ Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria
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And here I was thinking you might link to some kook site or something.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:yawn:
All have already been debunked

"But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never "a piece," said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere." No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims - CBS News
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The only debunking was YOU... but nice try..I cant take you seriously... you obviously have no handle on the subject.
 
Travis007 said:
The only debunking was YOU... but nice try..I cant take you seriously... you obviously have no handle on the subject.
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:lamo
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poweRob said:
And here I was thinking you might link to some kook site or something.
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Yea like CBS.. and a Dan Rather blessed story... I feel ya...its frustrating..

but Obama will give the terrorists coming for breakfast a hardy and cool backslap..
 
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