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Romney Praises Israel's Socialized Health Care System

CONSagainROMNEY said:
Is this really a surprise to you? The man is a RINO. REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY...He will compromise the Republican agenda so far to the left that it will resemble the Democrat Party of Clinton/Gore/Kerry more than the Republican Party of Reagan/Bush.
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Is this supposed to get us to vote for Obama?
 
Romney Praises Israel's Health Care

Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney offered praise for the Israeli health care system today

"When our health care costs are completely out of control. Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? 8 percent. You spend 8 percent of GDP on health care. And you’re a pretty healthy nation," Romney told donors at a fundraiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, speaking of a health care system that is compulsory for Israelis and funded by the government. "We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care. 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, let me compare that with the size of our military. Our military budget is 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways, not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to finally manage our health care costs."

Rights of the Insured under the National Health Insurance Law
-—Every Israeli citizen is entitled to health care services under the National Health Insurance Law.
—Every resident has a right to register as a member of an HMO of his/her choice, free of any preconditions or limitations stemming from his/her age or the state of his/her health.
—Every resident has a right to receive, via the HMO of which he or she is a member, all of the services included in the medical services basket, subject to medical discretion, and at a reasonable quality level, within a reasonable period of time and at a reasonable distance from his/her home.
—Each member has a right to receive the health services while preserving the member’s dignity, privacy and medical confidentiality.
—Every Israeli resident has the right to transfer from one HMO to another.
—Each member has a right to select the service providers, such as doctors, caregivers, therapists, hospitals and institutes, from within a list of service providers who have entered into an agreement with the HMO to which the member belongs, and within the arrangements in place for the selection of the service providers, and which the HMO publishes from time to time.
—Each member has a right to know which hospitals and institutes, and other service providers, are included in the agreement with the HMO, and what are the selection processes at the HMO.
—Each member has a right to see and to receive a copy of the HMO regulations.
—Each resident has a right to receive from the HMO complete information concerning the payment arrangements in place in the HMO for health services as well as the HMO’s plans offered for additional health services (CIP).
—Each member has a right to complain with the Public Inquiries commissioner at the medical institute that treated the member, to the person in charge of investigating member complaints at the HMO of which s/he is a member, or to the complaints commissioner for the national health insurance law in the Ministry of Health.
—Each member has a right to file suit at the district labor court.
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Is Romney a idiot? Im starting to believe that he is truly an idiot... So he hates Obamacare but he loves Israel's national plan? What the ****!? They are very ****ing similar!
 
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Is Romney a idiot? Im starting to believe that he is truly an idiot... So he hates Obamacare but he loves Israel's national plan? What the ****!? They are very ****ing similar! [/FONT]
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Romney needs to do two things to have a chance of winning. He needs the conversation to be about Obama, and he needs to make a positive impression. He has thus far failed at both.
 
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I can't help but wonder how this story would have played out if the Republican nomination was still up for grabs. Ah well...
 
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invisiblgorilla said:
I can't help but wonder how this story would have played out if the Republican nomination was still up for grabs. Ah well...
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Well technically it still is.
 
Tigger said:
Of course Romney is supporting Socialized Healthcare. Doesn't just about every LEFTIST/SOCIALIST out there?
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Romney should not be the GOP nominee. We may as well have nominated Hillary Clinton.
 
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Redress said:
Romney needs to do two things to have a chance of winning. He needs the conversation to be about Obama, and he needs to make a positive impression. He has thus far failed at both.
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The Republicans have given the Democrats a gift by nominating Romney.
 
An Interesting Romney Gaff in Israel...on their health care system...Hmmm...

Found this video from MSNBC.com speaking on Romney's praise of Israel's health care system. Only problem is Israel has socialized health care! :shock:

You have to watch this video! It's a rather significant gaff on Romney's part if you've paid any attention whatsoever to the health care fight in America.
 
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:roll: yeesh. this plus the "culture" bit yesterday - ya'll are reeking of desperation.
 
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Okay, couple of things here:

1. The vendetta against Romney is stinkingly obvious from the beginning of that douchebag's schtick. "What does Romney do to celebrate the birthday of Medicare?..." Seriously?
2. Romney praised the cost control/spending utilized in Israel. He pointed out that the nation spends a crap load less than we do on healthcare and then goes on to say that the U.S. needs to find ways to cut costs. He never once said, "Israel's system is something we should emulate". He never said, "We need a system like Israel's". He said that Israel has significantly lower health care costs and we should strive for the same goal. Doesn't mean he wants to take the same path.
3. Romney knows nothing about the government here or anywhere else in the world?

I couldn't get any further than that. The pompous ass muncher jacking off all over the story makes it really hard to take any potential point seriously. Quite a stretch in this story to make something scandalous out of something so...limp-dicked.
 
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That's the real problem they are facing this cycle. Since Obama's record is one of ruin and waste, he has to run by defining the opponent as an evil, scary, dude. But his opponent is probably the whitest-bread, most irritatingly-nice/boring guy to run for higher office since.... heck, I dunno. Coolidge, probably. H.W. perhaps.

They need scandal, but that closet doesn't have skeletons, it has pressed suits and shoes all aligned perfectly in order (and arranged by color) next to the Exact Number Of Prescribed Soft-Power Ties For Executives.


I've always said his campaign slogan should be:

Romney '12: Boring, but Competent! :prof
 
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the Israeli health care system is better designed and more efficient than our own. glad to see Romney admit that.
 
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tessaesque said:
Okay, couple of things here:

1. The vendetta against Romney is stinkingly obvious from the beginning of that douchebag's schtick. "What does Romney do to celebrate the birthday of Medicare?..." Seriously?
2. Romney praised the cost control/spending utilized in Israel. He pointed out that the nation spends a crap load less than we do on healthcare and then goes on to say that the U.S. needs to find ways to cut costs. He never once said, "Israel's system is something we should emulate". He never said, "We need a system like Israel's". He said that Israel has significantly lower health care costs and we should strive for the same goal. Doesn't mean he wants to take the same path.
3. Romney knows nothing about the government here or anywhere else in the world?

I couldn't get any further than that. The pompous ass muncher jacking off all over the story makes it really hard to take any potential point seriously. Quite a stretch in this story to make something scandalous out of something so...limp-dicked.
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Mitt Romney is in a foreign country using their socialist healthcare system as an example of how we can save money.
 
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johnny_rebson said:
Mitt Romney is in a foreign country using their socialist healthcare system as an example of how we can save money.
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No, he isn't. He pointed out that their system is much less costly than ours and said we need to make efforts here to cut our costs....which is a true statement. He never, not once, not even implicitly stated that we should use the Israeli system. To say he did is either dishonest or just stupid.
 
Somerville said:
Nice but doesn't really answer my questions. Why is the Republican candidate praising a socialised healthcare system in another country all while saying he will do what he can to prevent even a pale shadow of one in this country?
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because he is reading the speech bibi prepared for him

next question
 
johnny_rebson said:
Romney should not be the GOP nominee. We may as well have nominated Hillary Clinton.
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better yet, had the republicans nominated Gary Johnson, they would have had a legitimate chance to win

meanwhile we have willard with a wet finger in the political wind. unfortunately, we also know where his other fingers are lodged
 
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tessaesque said:
No, he isn't. He pointed out that their system is much less costly than ours and said we need to make efforts here to cut our costs....which is a true statement. He never, not once, not even implicitly stated that we should use the Israeli system. To say he did is either dishonest or just stupid.
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You do know that socialized healthcare systems tend to cost far less than the system we had here in America, right? The system Romney wants to go back to ASAP. So either he's mentally handicapped for wanted what would give Americans the opposite result or he's planning on moving America to an even more socialized system.
 
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Tettsuo said:
You do know that socialized healthcare systems tend to cost far less than the system we had here in America, right? The system Romney wants to go back to ASAP. So either he's mentally handicapped for wanted what would give Americans the opposite result or he's planning on moving America to an even more socialized system.
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U.S.'s system is the most expensive, but that doesn't automatically mean that socialized healthcare responds to the cost issue in any significant manner. Socialized systems also tend to have significant issues with rationing of care, delays, red-tape, and convoluted referral systems that result in a denial of higher-level health care. That denial in and of itself would significantly reduce costs.

The U.S. has the highest general cancer survival rate of any country in the world. That's an expensive stat to earn. We also have one of the heaviest populations in the world, the complications of which also tend to be expensive.

But the basic point is this: Socialization does not affect true cost. It only affects spending. Spending does not determine quality. To suggest that a recognition of spending achievements is an endorsement for socialization is a naive, ill informed stance to take.
 
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tessaesque said:
U.S.'s system is the most expensive, but that doesn't automatically mean that socialized healthcare responds to the cost issue in any significant manner. Socialized systems also tend to have significant issues with rationing of care, delays, red-tape, and convoluted referral systems that result in a denial of higher-level health care. That denial in and of itself would significantly reduce costs.

The U.S. has the highest general cancer survival rate of any country in the world. That's an expensive stat to earn. We also have one of the heaviest populations in the world, the complications of which also tend to be expensive.

But the basic point is this: Socialization does not affect true cost. It only affects spending. Spending does not determine quality. To suggest that a recognition of spending achievements is an endorsement for socialization is a naive, ill informed stance to take.
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Yeah, you must be right because cancer survival is the only health matter in which the US shows better results than the rest of the OECD, therefore -- USA! USA!


Why should further privatisation be seen as a means to achieve cost savings? What's one definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over while expecting the results to change?
 
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Somerville said:
Yeah, you must be right because cancer survival is the only health matter in which the US shows better results than the rest of the OECD, therefore -- USA! USA!


Why should further privatisation be seen as a means to achieve cost savings? What's one definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over while expecting the results to change?
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Well, we can see 30-some-odd countries with nationalized health care systems, each one of which has vastly lower costs and generally an equivalent level of care. It must mean that our system is the best!
 
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tessaesque said:
U.S.'s system is the most expensive, but that doesn't automatically mean that socialized healthcare responds to the cost issue in any significant manner.
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If they cost less per capita and cover all of their citizen I'd say they have addresses the cost issue very well.
Socialized systems also tend to have significant issues with rationing of care, delays, red-tape, and convoluted referral systems that result in a denial of higher-level health care.
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Please prove this. You can only come to this conclusion if you purposefully cherry pick data to support this viewpoint. How about you compare say, France to the US system. How do they stack up against one another. Prove the US system was better than France's socialized system of care.

Yes, that's a challenge to you. One I'm 100% positive you'll fail at.
The U.S. has the highest general cancer survival rate of any country in the world. That's an expensive stat to earn. We also have one of the heaviest populations in the world, the complications of which also tend to be expensive. But the basic point is this: Socialization does not affect true cost. It only affects spending. Spending does not determine quality. To suggest that a recognition of spending achievements is an endorsement for socialization is a naive, ill informed stance to take.
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So your stance is that cancer survival rate is all only important stat? That's pretty big leap of logic there don't you think?

Here's a report on it all... the US is NOT at the top.

The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
 
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tessaesque said:
No, he isn't. He pointed out that their system is much less costly than ours....
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Yes, Mitt Romney pointed out that Israel's SOCIALIST healthcare system is much less costly than ours.

Romney already created RomneyCare, he would be better off if he never mentioned healthcare again during the rest of the campaign.
 
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tessaesque said:
Okay, couple of things here:

2. Romney praised the cost control/spending utilized in Israel. He pointed out that the nation spends a crap load less than we do on healthcare and then goes on to say that the U.S. needs to find ways to cut costs. He never once said, "Israel's system is something we should emulate". He never said, "We need a system like Israel's". He said that Israel has significantly lower health care costs and we should strive for the same goal. Doesn't mean he wants to take the same path.
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Let's talk about this because it's important.

Romney makes the point that here in the U.S., we (government) need to find ways to cut health care cost. The exerpt quoted by Lawrence O'Donnell doesn't indicate whether or not Romney knows what type of health care system Israel uses, but that's the problem with Romney's quote. If you're going to go into another country and praise them for reducing cost in a specific area - health care - you'd better know what methodoligies said country uses to keep costs low. And in Israel's case, that would be socialized health care!

I won't give Romney a pass here because by speaking out on such an odd subject while on his foreign relations tour, he had to know something about Israel's health care system. If not, then what Romney just did was ridicule his own country while giving scant praise to another.

*I'd be interesting in reading or hearing his entire speech on this matter; however, based on the snippet provided I'd have to say Romney pandered for the Jewish vote (again) abroad at America's expense.
 
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