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Finally, Fact-Checking Romney’s Lie

Tettsuo said:
Clearly it's necessary to mention it as you and many others appear to be oblivious to the fact that without a strong infrastructure, without an educated society, without a government capable of defending your rights and without support for the populace, no business person can rise to prominence and power.
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thats very true, and those things are PAID for by successful businesses and successful people---------successful businesses and people PAY the bills of the government. Without successful people and businesses, there could be no government. You, like all liberals, have it backwards.
 
Tettsuo said:
Clearly it's necessary to mention it as you and many others appear to be oblivious to the fact that without a strong infrastructure, without an educated society, without a government capable of defending your rights and without support for the populace, no business person can rise to prominence and power.
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only anarchists need to be argued that point.
 
The real problem isn't the he said she said BS that's going on here...

But rather the fundamental difference in this election... Which candidate is going to inspire people to want to get back to work, and bring out the entreprenuerial spirit which has made America great in the past...

Obama wants to tax the wealthy, create wealth distribution, require every company to pay a healthcare penalty per employee over 50, and public works projects to put people back to work temporarily doing unskilled labor...

Romney wants to drop the corporate tax rate, eliminate the repatriation tax, cut capital gains taxes for small businesses, and let the individuals in America create their own businesses, or grow their existing business so people have the opportunity for a successful carreer...

We've seen Obama's way for 4 years, and although some have gone back to work, many, including those working, are struggling dearly to get by, and see the slow stagnant economy, which seems to be teetering after Obama bucks have run out... and those who got the prior ARRA jobs are now back to being unemployed...

Additionally, many of us with jobs, who are struggling to get by, and who lose most of our paycheck to bills are ticked off that despite the fact that we work 40 hrs a week, and do the right thing to try to get ahead, there are plenty who are getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing and collecting various forms of public assistance while they sit around and do nothing, except maybe drugs, all day... That's the particular people Obama wishes to represent... Whereas Romney represents those of us who would rather cut the public assistance, and reward those of us who take the initiative to create businesses or who are willing to take low paying jobs and labor away, rather than exist generationally on the dole...

So while this quote nonsense is seemingly innocuous in a campaign full of nothing of real substance right now... This he said she said battle is really underscoring one of the fundamental differences of the campaign...

Do you want to support the candidate of wealth distribution, high taxation, and govt supported jobs (despite the high debt it's causing)... Or do you want to support the candidate who praises individual initiative, wants to lower taxes and penalties on corporations so they can create growth, and wants to cut spending so we can pay down the cripling debt?
 
MaggieD said:
The President was not referring to Third World Countries.
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no, he wasn't
but the point to be made is that a substantial level of commerce requires a significant investment in infrastructure. in that third world country where infrastructure does not exist, we also do not see the trappings of business success which follows the construction of such infrastructure
that business person's likelihood of business success is less likely without the public's contribution towards necessary infrastructure
similarly, that athlete's opportunity to proudly receive an olympic gold medal before an adoring crowd also depends on the infrastructure required to host such an event, and the facilities to train in the sport
romney did not demean the efforts of the successful athletes just as Obama did not diminish the efforts of the successful business people
both recognized that such success is not possible in a vacuum; it requires the infrastructure, the contributions of others, to make such success - whether business or athletic - possible
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Which candidate is going to inspire people to want to get back to work, and bring out the entrepreneurial spirit which has made America great in the past
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Be-eye-en-gee-oh.

Does Obama inspire anyone to go out and make a living for themselves? Entrepreneurial or otherwise?

This question goes to the very heart of modern-day liberalism.

I'm not that old, but I remember when Americans weren't obsessed with envy. I remember when Americans saw something they wanted...and then they went out and EARNED it. We are still a free Country (for now), and all Americans have equal rights. If you want something, go out and work for it. This is still The Land Of Opportunity (ask any Mexican here illegally), and if you want something you can't afford, the responsibility lies on YOU to go out and earn the money to buy it.

If you don't earn enough money, then find ways to earn more. Get an education. Work at a job with advancement opportunities, and then work HARD. Opportunities abound, even in a prolonged recession.

Does Obama inspire anyone to go out and start a new business? Or to work hard at the job they have?

Obama: Put More People on Welfare! - GerriWillis.com Blog - Fox Business
 
GJ Flash said:
Be-eye-en-gee-oh.

Does Obama inspire anyone to go out and make a living for themselves? Entrepreneurial or otherwise?
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:rofl

Romney is about as inspiring as wet cardboard.
 
Bobcat said:
thats very true, and those things are PAID for by successful businesses and successful people---------successful businesses and people PAY the bills of the government. Without successful people and businesses, there could be no government. You, like all liberals, have it backwards.
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Exactly. Some of these liberals have no idea how Washington, DC works.

It takes lots of money from successful businessmen to keep DC moving. Without it DC would be a much different place.

And these hard working guys don't quit at 5 o'clock. Just go to some of the DC restaurants at dinner time and you can still see business getting done.
 
GJ Flash said:
Do you have the full text of Obama's speech? The unedited version, that is? Can you post it here please?

Then we can debate what Obama actually said, not what people think he said, or their opinions of what they think he said.
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You'll have to find it yourself, libs won't post anything where Obama eats shoe leather.
 
AdamT said:
:rofl

Romney is about as inspiring as wet cardboard.
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Neither he nor Obama will matter after Jan 2013. The Republicans need 19 seats in the House and 13 in the Senate to override any Presidential vetoes. Judging by the 63 seat loss in the House and 6 in the Senate in 2010 AND the fact the economy is NO better off, I think they get 'em.
 
AdamT said:
Saying that success takes people pulling together as well as individual initiative doesn't demean anyone. :roll:
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You forgot the part that does.

"If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
President Obama
 
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hazlnut said:
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Finally, Fact-Checking Romney’s Lie[/h]

Just to confirm for the righties who can't see through this scummy Romney lie, That = Bridges.

Got it?
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Sorry, but, as Romney made it clear, if you include the full context of the speech it's even worse. Obama is clearly, clearly denigrating individual effort and personal achievement.

Please don't try to pawn these bogus liberal "fact check" outfits on us as being objective, OK?
 
MaggieD said:
I got it the first time I read it.

But tell us...why did he even give that entire speech? Paraphrased: "They didn't build those roads and bridges." No ****?

More paraphrasing: "They think they work harder than other people." [an unspoken, "They don't!"] "They think they're smarter than other people." [an unspoken, "They're not!"]

Just more attempts to demean successful people.
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It's neither complicated nor shocking. It has do with showing that both individualism and collectism have place. As noted many tiems, when someone says "The point is, . . . .," what follows is likely the point. (Yes Stewart pointed this out as well, but it's true.) I think be have to be extremely defensive or partisan or something along those lines to read his comments as attempts to demea successful people.
 
Redress said:
So if some one does not kiss your ass, by your logic they have just demeaned you? That damn Obama, thinking people are equal or something....
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wow..simply wow..:shock:


My Fact Check says Maggie is spot on subject.. while others are not..
 
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Bronson said:
Aww how cute

The lapdog media in full spin and damage control mode to try and protect the coddled Marxist in office

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His entire speech is filled with projection and arrogance. It's no surprise that his mindless followers and allies in the press are spinning like tops.
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I'm glad you used the entire quote, I just wish you understood it. What business didn't build was roads and bridges. And by themselves, they didn't. BTW, there is good footage out there of Romeny saying the same thing. I wonder how you spin that?
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm glad you used the entire quote, I just wish you understood it. What business didn't build was roads and bridges. And by themselves, they didn't. BTW, there is good footage out there of Romeny saying the same thing. I wonder how you spin that?
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link to it playa'.. because Bronson is 100% correct, and I need a good laugh..
 
LowDown said:
Sorry, but, as Romney made it clear, if you include the full context of the speech it's even worse. Obama is clearly, clearly denigrating individual effort and personal achievement.

Please don't try to pawn these bogus liberal "fact check" outfits on us as being objective, OK?
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Romney clarified that by cutting up the quote and leaving parts out, did he? You can't make this **** up. :roll:
 
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