Thread: Obama admits failure to change Washington

Originally Posted by American

Did Democrats pass an Republican budgets when they were in charge?

I am not so sure they thought it a good idea.

Originally Posted by Born Free

Translated Obama did not want one Republican idea, it was his way or the highway.

Actually he did jump on the RomneyCare bandwagon, but I'm not sure if that counts since Romney is a liberal.

The quality of American's lives are at stake. It seem's the Republican's and Democrat's; don't seem to prioritize that.

Originally Posted by Born Free

Translated Obama did not want one Republican idea, it was his way or the highway. And you say he tried bipartisanship, you got to be kidding. He is dictator in chief.

You do realize that the Obamacare/Romneycare mandate and healthcare proposal was a Republican idea that was written by the Heritage Foundation right? And that the GOP was all for it until Obama proposed using it...

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

By saying something negative about yourself that's actually positive. For example, "Because I'm a bit of a perfectionist, I tend to spend more time than necessary on projects."

Or pull a Gingrich and explain away your infidelities with:

“There’s no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate."

Originally Posted by 24107

Even if they organize their votes smartly they are still left with a couple of bad candidates to choose from.

Very true. The people have the vote but the politicians and our very select few to choose from, make the rules.

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

That's the point. He tried bipartisanship and it didn't work...

Yeah, that's one of the broken parts of our government. Compromise is one of the dynamics utilized; when 1 or more sides refuse to budge, the system will begin to break down.

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

That's the point. He tried bipartisanship and it didn't work...

It can be equally arguable that he didn't try "bipartisanship", but that he had to take steps to win over the more conservative individuals in his own party and rather than portray it as a failure of his party to get the votes to get through what they wanted they decided to paint it as "bipartisanship". There's no greater argument that the actions that were undertaken to "water down" the health care bill away from what the Democrat Base wanted was done to "reach out to Republicans" then there is to suggest it was to reach out to conservative democrats. On the contrary, considering there was a time period that with Democrats and Democrat leaning Independents, the party had a Super Majority in congress and didn't even NEED to reach out to Republicans for health care.

For us to believe that the bending Obama did on Obamacare was for the benefit of the Republicans...we need to believe they were SO intent on trying to get Republicans to vote with them that they passed on a chance to pass through exactly what they wanted with a super majoirty but not so intent as to actually budge far enough to actually win over any Republicans. That, frankly, doesn't make sense. The far more likely conclussion to come up with is that Obama and the Democratic Party couldn't muster their own forces enough to pass through, even with a super majority, the type of health care reform they really wanted so had to "compromise" to get votes from their own party and pitched the "bipartisan" argument as a means of damage control.

Originally Posted by Born Free

Translated Obama did not want one Republican idea, it was his way or the highway. And you say he tried bipartisanship, you got to be kidding. He is dictator in chief.

Wow, wonderful job spewing rhetoric without any actual sense of...you know...reality.

The fact that the health care law that was passed was not the type Obama is reasonably believed to actually desire is proof positive he's not "dictator" in chief. This type of hyperbole does nothing but make your arguments look foolish.

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

No, he was definitely compromising with the Republicans as well...

that is (on healthcare, at least) incorrect. They didn't need Republicans, and they didn't pursue them. Obamacare is what the Democrat party all by itself could pass.