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washunut

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All this noise about Romney's professional like is another reminder why a) most people hate and distrust ALL politicians and b) why it is just about impossible to get truly competent people to run for office. Let alone the presidency.

It seems a simple truth that the process simply does not allow for a true vetting of ideas and then allowing a political race allowing an informed public to choose among two contrasting visions. What to do about taxes, how to fix the economy, how to fix our health care system in a nation of 300+ million with a GDP of nearly $16 trillion is to complex to fit on a bumper sticker, too much work for TV newsreaders to get up to speed to understand, and can not be said within a 30 second ad which is all the effort the average American is willing to devote to the process.

So we are left to slick political aides who can paint a portrait of their adversary and with enough repetition and make it stick with some folks. And some folks is all that matters in a country where a few "swing" states will be decided by a few "swing" counties that may add to a few hundred thousand.

It happened to Kerry. No matter what people think of him, just going to Vietnam was something most kids, especially college educated and with some income in the family did everything they could to avoid. He let the swiftboaters put a label on him and he not wash off the slime come election time. The the windsurfing photo put it over the edge essentially saying he was some rich kid wimp.

Obama and team are doing the same thing now. They know it isn't true, but who cares. Kerry earned his purple hearts the hard way and the slick political aides were able to turn him into a wimp.

If Romney is not willing to get as dirty as the Obama campaign we can fast forward for the next 4 years with Obama as president.

Maybe political parties will finally learn their lesson. Don't expect to win the presidency with a candidate who is only willing to fight with his/her ideas about the direction of the country.

You need a Bush Jr. or Obama willing to stoop to any level to accomplish the only thing that counts, winning.

We have not really entered the official campaign season which people often say starts with the convention and Romney may have found he does not have the stomach or inclination to win in this way.

Can we have a sustaining great nation if this is the direction of 21st century elections in America?
 
Cry me a river. If a guy runs for office claiming that his professional life qualifies him for the job, people are going to inquire into his professional life which he claims qualifies him for the job.
 
washunut said:
All this noise about Romney's professional like is another reminder why a) most people hate and distrust ALL politicians and b) why it is just about impossible to get truly competent people to run for office. Let alone the presidency.

It seems a simple truth that the process simply does not allow for a true vetting of ideas and then allowing a political race allowing an informed public to choose among two contrasting visions. What to do about taxes, how to fix the economy, how to fix our health care system in a nation of 300+ million with a GDP of nearly $16 trillion is to complex to fit on a bumper sticker, too much work for TV newsreaders to get up to speed to understand, and can not be said within a 30 second ad which is all the effort the average American is willing to devote to the process.

So we are left to slick political aides who can paint a portrait of their adversary and with enough repetition and make it stick with some folks. And some folks is all that matters in a country where a few "swing" states will be decided by a few "swing" counties that may add to a few hundred thousand.

It happened to Kerry. No matter what people think of him, just going to Vietnam was something most kids, especially college educated and with some income in the family did everything they could to avoid. He let the swiftboaters put a label on him and he not wash off the slime come election time. The the windsurfing photo put it over the edge essentially saying he was some rich kid wimp.

Obama and team are doing the same thing now. They know it isn't true, but who cares. Kerry earned his purple hearts the hard way and the slick political aides were able to turn him into a wimp.

If Romney is not willing to get as dirty as the Obama campaign we can fast forward for the next 4 years with Obama as president.

Maybe political parties will finally learn their lesson. Don't expect to win the presidency with a candidate who is only willing to fight with his/her ideas about the direction of the country.

You need a Bush Jr. or Obama willing to stoop to any level to accomplish the only thing that counts, winning.

We have not really entered the official campaign season which people often say starts with the convention and Romney may have found he does not have the stomach or inclination to win in this way.

Can we have a sustaining great nation if this is the direction of 21st century elections in America?
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Actually, I agree with you. Both Kerry and Romney are ******s, and Bush and Obama are Psychopathic Darth Vaders. On the other hand, Kerry would have been a very crappy president (I voted for Libertarian Badnarik that year), and Romney would be the same as Obama (Don't believe what he tells you, people are defined by what they do, not by what they say). I'm voting for Gary Johnson this year.
 
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The Giant Noodle said:
You have a false assumption. Neither side will help the economy. Both sides are HORRIBLE.
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Gary Johnson isn't. Come over to the dark side this year. Vote Libertarian. :mrgreen:
 
washunut said:
All this noise about Romney's professional like is another reminder why a) most people hate and distrust ALL politicians and b) why it is just about impossible to get truly competent people to run for office. Let alone the presidency.

It seems a simple truth that the process simply does not allow for a true vetting of ideas and then allowing a political race allowing an informed public to choose among two contrasting visions. What to do about taxes, how to fix the economy, how to fix our health care system in a nation of 300+ million with a GDP of nearly $16 trillion is to complex to fit on a bumper sticker, too much work for TV newsreaders to get up to speed to understand, and can not be said within a 30 second ad which is all the effort the average American is willing to devote to the process.

So we are left to slick political aides who can paint a portrait of their adversary and with enough repetition and make it stick with some folks. And some folks is all that matters in a country where a few "swing" states will be decided by a few "swing" counties that may add to a few hundred thousand.

It happened to Kerry. No matter what people think of him, just going to Vietnam was something most kids, especially college educated and with some income in the family did everything they could to avoid. He let the swiftboaters put a label on him and he not wash off the slime come election time. The the windsurfing photo put it over the edge essentially saying he was some rich kid wimp.

Obama and team are doing the same thing now. They know it isn't true, but who cares. Kerry earned his purple hearts the hard way and the slick political aides were able to turn him into a wimp.

If Romney is not willing to get as dirty as the Obama campaign we can fast forward for the next 4 years with Obama as president.

Maybe political parties will finally learn their lesson. Don't expect to win the presidency with a candidate who is only willing to fight with his/her ideas about the direction of the country.

You need a Bush Jr. or Obama willing to stoop to any level to accomplish the only thing that counts, winning.

We have not really entered the official campaign season which people often say starts with the convention and Romney may have found he does not have the stomach or inclination to win in this way.

Can we have a sustaining great nation if this is the direction of 21st century elections in America?
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So, let me get this straight, the GOP has taken the 'high road' the last four years?

And an article in the Boston Globe = Obama's dirty tricks?

Forgive me if I don't understand where you're coming from.
 
AdamT said:
Cry me a river. If a guy runs for office claiming that his professional life qualifies him for the job, people are going to inquire into his professional life which he claims qualifies him for the job.
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Exactly Adam T!
 
We citizens are the wimps and we're sitting between the proverbial rock and hard place.

The reason there is no meaningful discussion is because both parties are completely clueless. They are politicians and they came to Washington to put on the feed bag. They are not wise or thoughtful. They are Hollywood for ugly people.

No matter which one of these yahoos is chosen, expect a mediocre and ineffective Presidency. A few good things will be done, a few hundred new laws will be passed, trillions will be spent.

We really could use a superhero around now.
 
Dion said:
Exactly Adam T!
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You are both off base. This is not about Romney per se, it about the way politics is practiced in the 21st century. I don't know your posts to know where you are coming from, different for Mr. T who can only see things thru the prism of whatever it takes to get our man elected. In my view it is this type of person who exemplifies all that is wrong with politics today.
 
specklebang said:
We citizens are the wimps and we're sitting between the proverbial rock and hard place.

The reason there is no meaningful discussion is because both parties are completely clueless. They are politicians and they came to Washington to put on the feed bag. They are not wise or thoughtful. They are Hollywood for ugly people.

No matter which one of these yahoos is chosen, expect a mediocre and ineffective Presidency. A few good things will be done, a few hundred new laws will be passed, trillions will be spent.

We really could use a superhero around now.
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Well I think that is my point. But what superhero would be willing to get in the gutter with these types of guys, and would he/she be able to get elected. If superman ran for office there would be all sorts of stories about how he can't have real powers or why do we still have so much injustice in the world. Or when the Trevor Martin case happened they would call him a racist for not using his powers to stop the shooting!
 
hazlnut said:
So, let me get this straight, the GOP has taken the 'high road' the last four years?

And an article in the Boston Globe = Obama's dirty tricks?

Forgive me if I don't understand where you're coming from.
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Where in the above does it say that the GOP has taken the high road ever. People like you are just not capable of a rational discussion without attacking Republicans.

So you can't possibly understand where I am coming from.
 
washunut said:
All this noise about Romney's professional like is another reminder why a) most people hate and distrust ALL politicians and b) why it is just about impossible to get truly competent people to run for office. Let alone the presidency.

It seems a simple truth that the process simply does not allow for a true vetting of ideas and then allowing a political race allowing an informed public to choose among two contrasting visions. What to do about taxes, how to fix the economy, how to fix our health care system in a nation of 300+ million with a GDP of nearly $16 trillion is to complex to fit on a bumper sticker, too much work for TV newsreaders to get up to speed to understand, and can not be said within a 30 second ad which is all the effort the average American is willing to devote to the process.

So we are left to slick political aides who can paint a portrait of their adversary and with enough repetition and make it stick with some folks. And some folks is all that matters in a country where a few "swing" states will be decided by a few "swing" counties that may add to a few hundred thousand.

It happened to Kerry. No matter what people think of him, just going to Vietnam was something most kids, especially college educated and with some income in the family did everything they could to avoid. He let the swiftboaters put a label on him and he not wash off the slime come election time. The the windsurfing photo put it over the edge essentially saying he was some rich kid wimp.

Obama and team are doing the same thing now. They know it isn't true, but who cares. Kerry earned his purple hearts the hard way and the slick political aides were able to turn him into a wimp.

If Romney is not willing to get as dirty as the Obama campaign we can fast forward for the next 4 years with Obama as president.

Maybe political parties will finally learn their lesson. Don't expect to win the presidency with a candidate who is only willing to fight with his/her ideas about the direction of the country.

You need a Bush Jr. or Obama willing to stoop to any level to accomplish the only thing that counts, winning.

We have not really entered the official campaign season which people often say starts with the convention and Romney may have found he does not have the stomach or inclination to win in this way.

Can we have a sustaining great nation if this is the direction of 21st century elections in America?
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The Federal govt is run by the wealthy and powerful for the wealthy and powerful

A discussion of the issues and superheroes are not in their interest, so you'll never see either from either party
 
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